Opioids Will i get any withdrawals from this amount of use ?

[marijuana-kid]

Hey guys. Haven't posted in ages lol so its nice to be back.
I just had a sort of harm reduction based question to ask to you. I say its a harm reduction based question because im trying to avoid the negative effects of opiates. Ill start the small story then put my question at the end as you kinda need to know my situation to answer my question.

Heres the story. Ill try and keep it short ...


- I did have a very, very small history with opiates BEFORE my story below occurred. I had tried one 5mg perc before with a buddy and got pretty sedated. I had also taken some of my buddys morphine sulphate 5mg's (which i hardly felt tbh. At the time i didnt realize but because i took it orally i probably didnt absorb much as morphine has a low B/A) . That is about it - I smoke a lot of weed though and take psycadellics around 1-2 times a year. I dont really drink but i have the occasional beer or two after work with some buds.


I had my wisdom teeth out on the 8th of August. It is now the 20th of August.
For the first few days (8th till 15thth) i was taking the 20x5mg percocets i was prescribed. So in total i was taking 10-15mg of oxycodone per day between the 8th and 15th.

My percocet prescription then ran out. I wasn't really in any pain anymore but i did enjoy the feeling that they gave me rather much %)

On the 16th i didn't use any opiates and didnt even smoke marijuana (I usually smoke everyday).
I dont believe i felt any withdrawals. The only slight bad thing i felt that day was at night. I took a little longer to get to sleep and i didnt have the deep sleep that opiates give me. Instead it was a medium to light sleep. This probably wasnt withdrawal though (right?) and was more likley just the fact that i hadnt smoked weed that day either and i hadnt used opiates. Obviously its going to be a little harder to get to bed and stay asleep.
The day after (on the 17th) I then happened to remember that my marijuana supplier also sells oxyneos and hydromorphone pills.
After hearing that the oxy-neos (in Canada they replaced oxycontin with oxyneo) are tamperproof and pretty shit i decided to buy 3 x 4mg dilauid pills.
- On the 17th i didnt use anything all day but before bed i snorted 1 4mg dilauid. Was feeling pretty dam good. Went to bed.
- On the 18th i didnt use anything all day either but before bed i snorted another 1 4mg dilauid. Was feeling dam good again.
- On the 19th i didnt use anything all day either but before bed i snorted another 1 4mg dilauid. Was feeling dam good yet again.

It is now the 20th of August ladies and gents. Im not craving opiates that bad but i have the night off and would still without a doubt love to go back to my dealer tonight and buy yet another 2 dilauids for the next 2 nights to snort (Possibly 3 nights if im going to or have to wind down my use).
Id basically be doing another 4mg tonight up the nose before bed.
And another 4mg up the nose tomorrow too.
After that i plan on stopping for a good few weeks.

Now heres my questions ...
1) I was just wondering if this ^ is a good plan? Or am i setting up myself for addiction ? Is this how some of the opiate users on here started with their addictions?
3) Should i even be worried about becoming addicted ? By what i can tell i am taking pretty low amounts of opiates only once a day. Because of this will i even experience any withdrawals?
2) If i stopped cold turkey tonight (on the 20th aka tonight) would i even experience any withdrawals ? Because ive been abusing pretty small amounts of opiates for 12 days now and have only been using them once every day and no more
If the answer is yes, i will experience withdrawals - is it a good idea to tamper down these next few days ? Perhaps snort only 2mg of hydromorphone these next two nights instead of 4mg ?


I look forward to your answers. Thank You

 

[twotoomany]

Quit. Now. You shouldn't have ANY withdrawals to speak of, as you've never really had a "habit". If you decide to just "grab a few more" it's highly likely that you'll keep doing so. At least it has been for me.

I started in a similar fashion. Grab a few percs once in a while. Then every weekend. Then every day. This didn't happen all at once. It took about three years to get nice and hooked for me. I know others that just walked away, and others that were neck deep in a matter of months.

My advice is to take a break. Take the longest breaks you can, in fact. Be responsible or they will bite you.

 

[Diloadid]

Opiates are a slippery-slope. Nobody can tell you 'Hey, you're gonna get addicted!'. But you might. So be careful and tread lightly. Just use very sparingly, once or twice a year (if that even). You shouldn't really be experiencing any withdrawal related issues because you haven't really been dependent on them and your body just hasn't had enough time to 'need' the oxycodone. Like I said, tread lightly.

 

[jamesmartin]

Opiates are a slippery-slope. Nobody can tell you 'Hey, you're gonna get addicted!'. But you might. So be careful and tread lightly. Just use very sparingly, once or twice a year (if that even). You shouldn't really be experiencing any withdrawal related issues because you haven't really been dependent on them and your body just hasn't had enough time to 'need' the oxycodone. Like I said, tread lightly.

So he won't experience withdrawals ? After 12 days !? that seems like some time ... but are you saying that because he has only been taking relatively small amts everyday ?

I'm curious as to how much mg per day and how long you have to be taking that to experience wthdrawls
Any forum members have any light they can shed on this issue ??

 

[twotoomany]

It's different for everyone. I used to get a two week script of vikes or percs once in a while. I'd be fine after. Then I went on a three month run of 20-40 mg oxy/day. Since then, I'm fucked if I go more than three days in a row.

 

[Transcendence]

Stop if you're not into masochism. And god forbid if you ever end up in an accident or have a serious illness when you need pain medication and it doesn't do shit. Very few people start out doing opiates every day from the start.

After my life went to shit and I developed severe, existential, supposedly untreatable anxiety, I started taking oxycodone once in a while. Then took a leaf from my boy and drank poppy tea once a week or so for a few months. Then I said fuck it and started railing heroin because I didn't give a shit about anything and just wanted to feel normal. Then I realized that 90% of heroin addicts are manipulative thieves and went back to the tea. Once a week became 3 times a week, then every other day, then every day, and now usually twice a day.

My life consists of going to the grocery store every couple days and buying massive amounts of unopened poppy seed cases as soon as they arrive from the manufacturer. Going to the self check out and scanning all 120 bottles one by one. EIGHTY-NINE. CENTS.....EIGHTY-NINE. CENTS.....EIGHTY-NINE. CENTS. Yesterday some old guy walked past me and glanced into my card. All he said was "holy shit!". My grocery store stocks more of this spice than any others by orders of magnitude just because my buying habits flag their inventory system.

If I skip two days I'm so weak it takes me an hour to get dressed. I feel like a 90 year old man with the flu, coupled with crippling physical and mental anxiety. Now I can't even drink enough tea to get high or even diminish the anxiety, so I munch benzos and pass out on top of my keyboard every night. When I wake up in the morning I feel fucking angry that I woke up at all.

Nah, you won't get withdrawals.

 

[Tnich55]

Everyone is different with withdrawals as has been said.. I would guess given the small doses and the fact that you can wait the day out and do it before bed without being sick already means no withdrawals.

In my experience, it didnt start with getting sick, it started with wanting more.. which I did, which I got.. and you can guess the rest.

 

[SaosinEngaged]

So he won't experience withdrawals ? After 12 days !? that seems like some time ... but are you saying that because he has only been taking relatively small amts everyday ?

I'm curious as to how much mg per day and how long you have to be taking that to experience wthdrawls
Any forum members have any light they can shed on this issue ??

At the start of my addiction, I used Oxycodone daily for over a year (with perhaps three one week breaks throughout) and then quit with -0- withdrawal outside of some increased anxiety for a few days. No more than 15mg / day, usually 7.5.

It's simply not enough oxycodone for your body to become dependent on and only dosing once a day, that low, your brain is still producing endorphins near 100% normal levels.

Now, go up to 45-60mg of Oxy a day, and it's a different story.

Because of the way I used for so long and skirted withdrawal, I became unafraid of it and really let myself go, foolishly thinking I'm resistant to withdrawals. Long story short I ended up with a habit of over 350mg / day for months and at the end nearly killed myself going through withdrawal.

Oxycodone and opiates in general are a hell of a drug and it's very easy to get lulled into a false sense of normalcy / being in control. The second you realize you haven't had control in months to years, you're in for a rude awakening. They always get you in the end.

My advice: Op - QUIT while you're ahead. It isn't worth it... Even if it takes you three years, you WILL begin increasing your consumption, you WILL begin using more than once a day, and you WILL eventually go through withdrawals to the extent that it negates all the fun you've been having with them. It can and will ruin you, physically, mentally, and can completely, royally fuck up your life in a way you'll never see coming. There is no "control" when it comes to opiates, even if you are fairly in control right now. It will get the best of you. They're sneaky. It's actually a good analogy, think of the ring of power from Lord of the Rings. Eventually, it corrupts and enslaves your mind regardless of how much willpower/noble intentions you have as a person.

 

[rcc01a]

Yeah, I'm one of the lucky ones just by circumstance. I had a very cheap connection for 30mg oxy and morphine IRs a few years back. It started off with me doing a 15mg line, smoking some weed and then doing another 15mg line maybe an hour later. This was enough to get me proper fucked but not experience acute negative side effects. Eventually it got up to 60+ mg of oxy in a night or closer to 100mg if it was morphine. I would do this for 3-4 days and then go maybe 5-6 without, rinse and repeat. Occasionally I would come across methadone and hydromorphone(Dilaudid). This went on for a year with some 2-3 week breaks here and there.

Eventually I started getting moderate intensity withdrawals after even 2 days of use. Felt like having a rough flu for a day and then a couple days of aches and irritability, the whole time craving opiates. It would be worse if I went on a longer binge. This is NOTHING compared to serious withdrawals from what I hear. Anyway, the source dried up completely and I didn't try very hard to find more. It sucked, I craved opiates even after acute withdrawals subsided and life just felt dull for a good while. It was partly will power but partly the lack of access to them that allowed me to quit.

Anymore, the only opioid I allow myself to touch is kratom, and that was after years of abstaining from anything opiate related. Just straight high quality powdered leaf, no extracts. It has a ceiling effect and is no where near as captivating as pharmaceutical opiates. I might use kratom once or twice a month but I could take it or leave it.

Anyway, I feel like I almost became a junkie. I got lucky. When people say you don't realize how quickly it sneaks up on you, they aren't joking. I'm not trying to lecture you, just give you an honest answer to your question. If the guy you buy pot from also peddles opiates, it will be very hard to resist buying them once you develop even a minor habit. IMHO I would quit while your ahead. Best of luck to you man.

 

[marijuana-kid]

Ok so i took everyones advice into consideration...

Im only 19 so i have a lot ahead of me and obviously don't want to go into a full blown opiate addiction (Even though id love to use opiates a lot i wont. Opiates along with weed seem to be the only things that clear my mind and stop me from being really depressed and demotivated to do anything)

However i'm going to college next week so i want to make the most of summer. I didn't feel like drinking (I hardly ever do lol.) as i actually feel thats worse for you than opiates (Minus the addiction part ofc - I'm talking about neurotoxicity, damage to organs etc). So what i did was buy 2x 4mg Dilauids.

Yesterday i didn't take anything and didn't really feel anything in terms of withdrawals (except for a tense sleep) so i figured id snort these two Dilauids tonight and tomorrow and then finally leave opiates for a good month or so .

Thanks for the help guys. I really needed those stories to make me open my eyes & truly realize how i do not want to end up as an opiate addict.

The stories also prompted me to look up more stories on other threads & sites (i forced my self to do this. To get the idea of opiates being bad for you in my silly little head so that i wont use them often. I know there bad but theres just this part of me that wants them. I read the stories to try and silence this part of me lol. Weird but i find it works). Some of which are even worse and man, opiate addiction does not sound like fun.

Thanks Again.

 

[Jersey0485]

I also had a strange road until the current point. I was prescribed 5mg Percs 3x a day for severe back pain and pain all over associated with MS. After a month that went to 10mg 3x a day. After three months doc added oxycontin 20mg 2x a day. Before I went to the doctor I was buying 5s here or there and self medicating cause I had no clue what was actually happening , but I'm sure some people will attest, pain everyday is the worst fucking thing imaginable.

While getting shots in my back to burn nerve endings l eventually started getting into the 100 mg a day range. Due mostly to increased tolerance and lack of consistent relief. All things said 8 days ago I decided fuck it time to quit.

Now here's where some will doubt me. But I had extreme back pain the first night , vicious chills and sweats , sneezing up to 10 times in a row which I thought was gonna explode my head , and restless legs. .......... For two days. I woke up the third day and was fine. So in my infinite hypochondria I got on here and started asking questions. (Might be able to find my last post) . But since then I have been fine. I kind of feel like withdrawal never happened to me. I used a lot of ingredients from the Thomas recipe , lack the benzos, prayed , and kept myself thinking positively.

I contribute my easy kick to what I honestly believe was not an addiction in the classic sense of the word but a necessity to cure an honest to goodness pain problem. And god and positive thinking. Mind over matter brother.

But that's not to say you won't get withdrawal ... There was times self medicating that I would go for two weeks taking 10 mg a day and the. Be in brutal pain and puking if I went two days without. It's all a crap shoot bro.

I can say this though.... I have no sexual desire , lost 40 pounds (down to 180 at 6 foot 1) , still eat about once a day, can't sleep , and I'm still waiting for the day that I can shit normally lol.

Stay away bro... Opiates ...will....fuck..your..life...up! No one intends to get addicted to shit ... And everything starts out with ... Maybe just another one for tomorrow... Opiates are not the kind if drug you want to start toying with man. I'm all for a good time , and I'm all for people knowing themselves ... But I would offer someone ecstasy before I offered them a Percocet.

 

[PortalFloyd]

Everyone is different with withdrawals as has been said.. I would guess given the small doses and the fact that you can wait the day out and do it before bed without being sick already means no withdrawals.

In my experience, it didnt start with getting sick, it started with wanting more.. which I did, which I got.. and you can guess the rest.

Exactly. I started using heroin about 3 weeks ago, 1 or 2 per week, and honestly you end up just craving it constantly after that first use. I'm trying to control how often I use, and it's nearly impossible. You really need willpower not to get addicted to opiates.

 

[szuko000]

Another young mind corrupted by opiates, it begins! Soon we will get a "how do I inject" thread.

There is a serious reason why these people are telling you to stop, and we all understand why it's not as simple as it should be. Lucky are the active junkies for they are the ones not burdened by guilt or sadness when they use.

I wish I could go back to when I was like you. You won't get withdrawals. I was shooting 2-3 bags an evening with a 1.5 year history of snorting for about a month before true sickness started. Even then it wasn't like it is now or would be if not for subs. Also we are lucky these days in the 60s people went cold turkey now it seems like subs are everywhere.

*should be noted that it wasn't "every" evening just most*

 

[SaosinEngaged]

Thanks for the help guys. I really needed those stories to make me open my eyes & truly realize how i do not want to end up as an opiate addict.

Stop while it's still a choice.

 

[BlueHues]

It is different for everyone....When you get physically addicted, how severe the symptoms are, how long they last, etc.

It all depends how you define "withdrawal". If you have your wisdom teeth out, get a hydrocodone script, use the whole thing and experience anxiety and sleeplessness when you run out of pills, is that withdrawal? Yes and no.
It's not true, full-blown severe opiate withdrawal, but it's still something that's "not good" to have happen!

For me personally, and for a lot of the opiate users I've known in my life, it took several months of using daily before the really bad physical symptoms kicked in.. And believe me, it's not a badge of honor that makes you one of the "cool kids" when you start getting sick like that, it's an absolutely crippling physical and mental condition that has no equal that I've ever come across! Once it hits hard, you can barely move and you feel like you've been hit by a train, snot is just falling out of your nose, you have to run to the bathroom to pass liquid out of your ass every ten minutes and you have the worst anxiety you've ever felt in your life. Every hour feels like an eternity, you can't even find a comfortable position to sit in, you can't sleep it off and it can last for a week or more!

^That's what severe opiate withdrawal is like, and it's very rare that you would experience anything that severe from even 2-3 months of daily pill use. It gradually gets worse. Your nose gets runny, you get a little anxious and achey, your cravings for more of the drug are through the roof, but you can still sleep 2-3 hours a night. If you make it through 48 hours of that, the physical symptoms go away...That's usually what people's first few brushes with physical addiction to opiates are like, but if you keep going on 2-3 week runs over the course of a year to 18 months, you'll eventually cross the line and have to go through the full WD every time you even mess around with opiates for a few days! some people can play around with opiates for several years and still have relatively mild WDs when they stop, but once you cross the line it changes you where you become very "sensitive" to using any opiates at all. It's like your body says, "Oh we've been doing opiates for 2 days?! Well based on what's happened before, I think I can completely shut down producing endorphins for awhile now"!

How severe the physical habit is doesn't really matter...If you're thinking about it all the time and trying to talk yourself out of doing it....unless you make a real effort to completely stop now, you'll probably end up with a problem...It does sneak up on you, and then one day you just wake up "needing it" and that's it, you're a junky!
Not a glamorous thing to be, despite how many famous actors and musicians and artists have been addicted to opiates...It wasn't their opiate habits that made them rich and famous!

 

[Hx1349]

You don't wanna mess around with opioids, especially at a young age. I'm young as well, going to be turning 21 in a few months, never did any drugs beforehand. Smoked weed a few times as a teenager and hated it, was prescribed Xanax and Ativan on occasion to help with anxiety and panic attacks, never abused those either. Not a big fan of drinking, since I don't enjoy hangovers and being sick.

Anyhow, as a wonderful and welcoming gateway, I've been messing around with opioids for about 4 months, off and on. Started off with a small "as needed" script of 5/500mg Norco's that I stole from my now ex-girlfriend. Took them for about a week or so since there weren't many, of course I liked the way they made me feel, but didn't really abuse them at the time, so of course I didn't develop a dependency or experience side effects. After somewhat of a rough break-up with my ex, leading to us seperating and her kicking me out, and having to move back in with "2 specific roommates", I fell into a very deep depression / state of not giving a shit (which I'm still in unfortunately.) I found that these two "roommates" had monthly scripts for Oxycodone 10mg IR's, Fentanyl 50 mcg/hr patches, and Dilaudid 4mg's. Boy oh boy was it a charm at first.

First started off with taking about 10 - 20mg oxy's 2 - 3 times a week, occasionally chasing them down with benzo's (Temazepam and Ativan.) Experimenting with the Fentanyl patches very lightly in between (never really felt much from the fentanyl other than being itchy and drowsy.) Would end up going about a month without everything at first and felt fine. Next month around started taking about 20 - 30mg's of oxy's with the benzo's on the side, did this for about a week straight until I no longer had access to the oxy's, in which I'd throw a Fentanyl patch on to compensate. Didn't really experience any moderate withdrawal symptoms until about a day and a half after I removed that Fentanyl patch. Felt very anxious and restless (barely could sleep without a mass amount of sleeping aid's) and had no appetite. Those symptoms only lasted about 4 days until I felt normal again. Was not very pleasant though.

Of course, maybe 2 weeks later, got my hands on the oxy's again and dilaudid's (first time I had access to the dilaudid's.) Started off taking the typical amount I was used to, accompanied with 4 - 8mg's of dilaudid, until I started noticing that I was no longer experiencing an enjoyable high. Began roughly stealing the pills after that, and went on about a 2 week long frenzy with the Oxy's and Dilaudid's (at the time I was taking around 50 - 80mg's of Oxycodone, 8 - 12mg's of Dilaudid, and 30 - 60mg's of Temazepam, all at once or in between.) At this time I experienced my first 2 black-outs. First time was right after I popped the oxy's and benzo's, was sitting on my chair and about 30 minutes later I disappeared and woke up on the chair about 4 hours later. Couldn't remember anything in between or how it happened, so I didn't think much of it. Did the same thing the following day, and again, I blacked out. After this time, I began noticing that I needed a much higher amount of everything to experience a good high / nod. (now keep in mind, this is all within a 2 - 3 week sobre / seperated amount of time, occurring over the past 4 months.) After I yet again loss access to the pills from stealing tons of them ("roommates" began noticing the bottle's were running out much faster than usual, and developing suspicion over it.) I began experiencing those Withdrawal symptoms again, in which I'd compensate them by using Fentanyl patches to avoid the pain.

Got my hands on all the goodies again earlier this month. Within a 1 week window, I went through maybe 300mg's of Temazepam, 200 - 250 mg's of Oxycodone, and maybe around 20mg's of Dilaudid's. Only got nice and high the first night back with all the pills, every other night after that I was taking excessive amounts of everything, just to realize I had built up quite a tolerance, and wouldn't really experience anything other than lots of relaxation and great sleep. Well, I decided that I needed to quit doing this and get my life back on track about 5 - 6 days ago, so I winged myself off of everything. Let me tell you, this last 4 days has been a nightmare. I can barely sleep at all, lots of insomnia, the restlessness went away after about day 2, but still lots of nausea and etc. No vomiting fortunately. I have no access to anything besides the fentanyl patches, however I have chosen not to use them this time since I don't want this to go any further.

I'm pretty sure you haven't experimented with these as much as I have over the last few months by the sound of your story, so I'll say quit now while you can, and stick with smoking pot or any other less dangerous and less addictive things you consider recreational. I'm going on day 5 without everything, and it's pretty bad, I slept maybe 3 hours last night and have been awake since. Just a pointer though, after winging off all the opioids, I thought that Diphenhydramine (benadryl) would help lower the effects of everything im feeling. Obviously that didn't help, and taking about 200mg's of straight dph within a 24 hour window had me to a point where I felt like I was tweaking, instead of being relaxed. Not sure if that is the reason why I have been experiencing the intense insomnia the last 24 hours, but it has been 48+ hours since I touched any of the benadryl.

Anyhow, quit while you're ahead, focus on school or whatever. I don't plan on using opioids ever again (or any other drug, unless prescribed and taken responsibly), since I'm a relatively smart dude, and have self control. The last 4 months were a nightmare, but i'm digging myself out of the hole I made before it turns into a full out addiction leading to heroin use (which I will not allow to happen to myself, since I know the consequences and am still young and have foreseeable opportunities for my future.)

Go get your hands on some strong sleeping pills, and sleep that way, even if it doesn't help as well as the Dilaudid's do. Keep yourself away from the opioids, before you begin to strongly abuse them. At your point, you should be fine and not experience any highly noticeable withdrawals if you just quit.

 

[Sprout]

For me personally, I can get very mild WDs after 3 days of use, if I use for 4 I'm guaranteed to feel pretty shitty, and more than a fortnight I'm fucked. I have a very low tolerance to WD effects so I have to be pretty safe. But then again I use PST more than any other opiate; the 18 hour high each dose may have something to do with the tendency to develop WD quickly.