Will drug lord get less time than average offender?

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Will Drug Lord Do Less Time Than the Average American Nonviolent Drug Offender?
By Anthony Papa
AlterNet
September 27, 2007.


Why Colombia's top drug lord may get off easier than small-time offenders in the U.S.


The U.S. government recently praised the arrest of Colombia's top drug lord Diego Montoya when he was captured earlier this month. Law enforcement and military officials say it was a powerful blow to Colombia's most powerful drug cartel, comparing it to the capture of Al Capone during Prohibition.

Montoya, who had been on the FBI's top ten most wanted list, is said to be responsible for providing as much as 70 percent of all the cocaine in the United States. In 1999, a $5 million bounty for his capture and extradition was offered after he was indicted in a federal court in Miami.

There is much talk about how this capture will affect the drug trade and the flow of drugs into the United States. But the question on my mind is how much time will he serve when he is brought to the United States to stand trial for the death and destruction he has caused? I would be willing to bet that he will get less time than many Americans who are now serving extraordinarily long sentences, many for low-level, nonviolent drug law violations under the notorious mandatory minimum sentencing laws. Some would ask how would I come to this conclusion.

If you look at the recently completed federal sentence of former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega, who served a 17-year federal sentence for drug trafficking, it might give you a hint what is in store for Montoya. In Noriega's case the U.S. attorney negotiated deals with 26 high-level drug dealers, including drug lord Carlos Lehder. They in turn received a package of perks that included leniency and cash payments, and were allowed to keep their drug earnings in return for testimony against the infamous general who was once a strong United States ally before he fell from grace in 1989, when the U.S. invaded Panama.

There are many Americans in prison that are serving sentences of more than 17 years in prison for simple drug crimes. These are marginalized offenders that don't have the bargaining chips to establish deals. For example, Elaine Bartlett, a mother of four, served a 20-to-life sentence under the Rockefeller Drug Laws for seven ounces of cocaine. Her husband, Nathan Brooks, was sentenced to 25 years to life. The list goes on and on. There are an estimated 500,000 Americans locked up because of the drug war. Many of them are serving lengthy sentences because of a 30-year government campaign to demonize illicit drug use and implement mandatory minimum sentencing.

In 1986, mandatory minimum sentencing laws were enacted by Congress, which compelled judges to deliver fixed sentences to individuals convicted of certain crimes, regardless of mitigating factors or culpability. Federal mandatory drug sentences are determined based on three factors: the type of drug, weight of the drug mixture (or alleged weight in conspiracy cases), and the number of prior convictions. Judges are unable to consider other important factors, such as the offender's role, motivation and the likelihood of recidivism.

The push to incarcerate drug offenders has been further exacerbated through the current federal sentencing law that punishes crack cocaine offenders much more severely than offenders possessing other types of drugs, for example, powder cocaine. Distributing just five grams of crack carries a minimum five-year federal prison sentence while distributing 500 grams of powder cocaine carries the same sentence. This 100:1 sentencing disparity has been almost universally criticized for its racially discriminatory impact by a wide variety of criminal justice and civil rights groups, and in Congress. Although whites and Hispanics form the majority of crack users, the vast majority of those convicted for crack cocaine offenses are African Americans.

Because of the war on drugs, which mandates mandatory minimum sentencing, average drug offenders are routinely elevated to kingpin status and condemned to serve out long prison sentences that should be reserved only for actual drug kingpins, not individuals that are fabricated to that level. It's time to end these draconian laws and implement a sentencing structure that promotes fairness and justice.

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phrozen said:
If you look at the recently completed federal sentence of former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega, who served a 17-year federal sentence for drug trafficking, it might give you a hint what is in store for Montoya. In Noriega's case the U.S. attorney negotiated deals with 26 high-level drug dealers, including drug lord Carlos Lehder. They in turn received a package of perks that included leniency and cash payments, and were allowed to keep their drug earnings in return for testimony against the infamous general who was once a strong United States ally before he fell from grace in 1989, when the U.S. invaded Panama.
Uhh, what do you mean they went easy on lehder, isn't he still rotting in a prison here?

I can't believe they caught montoya, sucks for him and a shit ton of other people! Is he generally thought of as full boss of that cartel? And, (phrozen help me here!) weren't they currently at battle with a much more ruthless cartel? (It may have been his that I'm thinking about..)
 
will check that out later and, as always phrozen, thanks for the linkies!!! (oh what did you think of the new one I showed you? I know it's not the best, but it's more of an in the trenches type thing, I always found it pretty interesting. Is there a spot on this website where, since you're a mod!, we could get some sticky to put up a ton of crap like that?)
 
Dang, for some reason I thought Lehder was never caught. I'm kinda disappointed.


How do you get to be a drug lord anyhow? Kind of a weird name to give to a higher up. When I saw the title I forgot what board I was on and thought this thread was about praying to a drug god. :)
 
Hey, if they're gonna call our drug head the 'drug czar', and their opponents 'drug lords', it almost seems like their semantics are implying they're the bad guys lol!

And yeah, lehder was caught. I believe there is some debate / questions about whether he's actually being held as we believe. That dude is my hero lol! I have one of his 2 public pics I've ever found (actually I'll put it up here - the other pic is really shitty photography lol). <<for anyone naive about who carlos lehder is, he was/is a german/columbian, and he basically made coke what it is today in america. He worked with pablo escobar who was his supplier in columbia, and with the help of george jung (from america), they basically created the coke scene here. Carlos Lehder is portrayed by 'diego' in the popular movie "blow" with johnnie depp).
 

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bingalpaws said:
will check that out later and, as always phrozen, thanks for the linkies!!! (oh what did you think of the new one I showed you? I know it's not the best, but it's more of an in the trenches type thing, I always found it pretty interesting. Is there a spot on this website where, since you're a mod!, we could get some sticky to put up a ton of crap like that?)

Which link?
 
sorry it wasn't a link, I meant the pdf files you emailed me, my bad. <I prolly told you this but that is just a junk email account, so if you ever followed up and I didn't respond it's because I do not check those accounts unless I know there's something waiting. It was the H pellets story, a very, very good read!>
 
bingalpaws said:
And yeah, lehder was caught. I believe there is some debate / questions about whether he's actually being held as we believe. That dude is my hero lol! I have one of his 2 public pics I've ever found (actually I'll put it up here - the other pic is really shitty photography lol). <<for anyone naive about who carlos lehder is, he was/is a german/columbian, and he basically made coke what it is today in america. He worked with pablo escobar who was his supplier in columbia, and with the help of george jung (from america), they basically created the coke scene here. Carlos Lehder is portrayed by 'diego' in the popular movie "blow" with johnnie depp).

Yes, Lehder got caught and yes Lehder is still incarcerated. I did time with a bank robber who did time with Lehder in the late '90s. Lehder went into WitSec as a result of his testimony against Noriega - it was part of his negotiation. He was at FCI Phoenix in their WitSec unit (commonly referred to as the "cheese factory") at the time, though I don't know where he is currently.

He won't show up on the BOP's inmate locator, as all WitSec folks lose their standard ID in the system and get wiped from the locator. Going from memory, I believe he ended up with 65 years in his case. I do not recall if he was sentenced under old law, or old/new law - I know it wasn't new/new. So me might come up for parole at some point if he was old/old.

Anyway, I heard some funny stories about Carlos from the Phoenix joint. He's very, flamboyantly gay (something oddly not mentioned in Blow), and was/is an organizer of all sorts of "quality of life" campaigns in the WitSec units. Everyone has their own way of doing time, and it sounded like he was doing his time in a way that worked for him and kept things interesting.

The stories I heard about Lehder's island - from my friend who did time with him - were quite outrageous. Add a private island to unlimited coke, ample weapons, and boundless cash and you can pretty much imagine the outcome. The wheels came off, and Escobar himself saw the whole thing as a huge liability as it got more and more out of control there. But it was Carlos' private world and nobody was going to try to go and shut it down forcefully - not even Escobar.

To be clear, this is all second-hand stories so I don't claim that I heard them from Lehder himself. Never met him, though he sounds like quite an unusual individual. One does meet all sorts of interesting folks in federal custody.

Peace,

Fausty
 
Why would escobar want to shut that island (norman's cay) down? That was *the* trans-shipment point for a vast majroity of narcotics. Didn't lehder et al basically run everyoen out of that town and just turn the island into a lavish, coke trafficking party island? Lehder must've been living like crazy before everything came down lol!
 
(and that's stupid as hell that they portray him as straight throughout that movie just to make him more likable to the mainstream audience)
 
Fausty said:
The stories I heard about Lehder's island - from my friend who did time with him - were quite outrageous. Add a private island to unlimited coke, ample weapons, and boundless cash and you can pretty much imagine the outcome. The wheels came off, and Escobar himself saw the whole thing as a huge liability as it got more and more out of control there. But it was Carlos' private world and nobody was going to try to go and shut it down forcefully - not even Escobar.

Fausty


Thanks for the info guys. Definitely an interesting story/guy. You can probably find a copy on Amazon or somewhere, but if you ever read Dominic Streatfeilds book Cocaine, it mentions similar stories about the island (and pretty much anything you'd want to know about coca/cocaine). They were shipping more than coke though, but I can't remember what other drugs were there (weed maybe, qualudes I'm almost sure, something else?).

That's weird they made him straight in Blow though. I don't know George Jung's story too well beyond Blow and what I can remember from the Cocaine book, but in Blow, Diego's wedding is where George met Mertha.
 
Heroin too, I'm sure. Most of what is processed in columbia/other major southern american countries is flown to 'middle spots/trans-shipment points' around that area to refuel planes and shit. Sometimes it's to move big boats to those areas and then do many flights or speed boats from said areas. So I'm gonna have to imagine norman's cay was a hub for virtually any major drug during that period (unless that's before *any* heroin was being made down there, but I don't think that's the case I think it's just picked up a lot recently).
 
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