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Why no PMA result
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aj
Bluelighter
It is not available in Holland, that's why I can't get a result. Never even found in a single pill....
I must say, the whole PMA thing sounds a bit strange to me.
If it is available everywhere, as we can read in the papers (....!....), then why can't someone in the US or Australia come up with it ??
That is why I think the whole thing sounds a bit strange, basically there is no REAL proof yet that PMA is _really_ going around.
I know that this is risky to say but we did have some contact with a harmreduction group here in Holland. (I am not saying it is not going around, I am just saying that despite all the reports, I have not seen ANY HARD evidence that it _is_ going around)
The reports in the papers are always pointing to PMA right away (but we already know that most journalists (and police) have a rich fantasy).
However, to be 100% sure someone died from PMA, research will take MUCH longer.
More than a few weeks, probably no less than a month....but all the newspapers have their PMA story the next day already.
This is what the harmreduction guy told us; "It takes ages to find out what chemical was responsible for someone's death."
So, I guess it is time to find some real proof. This sounds a bit macabre (is that the word ?) but personally I only believe that PMA is _really_ going around if I've seen some real proof (not a 'newspaper' report)
aj
[This message has been edited by aj (edited 17 June 2000).]
I must say, the whole PMA thing sounds a bit strange to me.
If it is available everywhere, as we can read in the papers (....!....), then why can't someone in the US or Australia come up with it ??
That is why I think the whole thing sounds a bit strange, basically there is no REAL proof yet that PMA is _really_ going around.
I know that this is risky to say but we did have some contact with a harmreduction group here in Holland. (I am not saying it is not going around, I am just saying that despite all the reports, I have not seen ANY HARD evidence that it _is_ going around)
The reports in the papers are always pointing to PMA right away (but we already know that most journalists (and police) have a rich fantasy).
However, to be 100% sure someone died from PMA, research will take MUCH longer.
More than a few weeks, probably no less than a month....but all the newspapers have their PMA story the next day already.
This is what the harmreduction guy told us; "It takes ages to find out what chemical was responsible for someone's death."
So, I guess it is time to find some real proof. This sounds a bit macabre (is that the word ?) but personally I only believe that PMA is _really_ going around if I've seen some real proof (not a 'newspaper' report)
aj
[This message has been edited by aj (edited 17 June 2000).]
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I belive that you should no change in colour if a pill is PMA, if you check dancesafe, their tested yeilded no colour change. Then again, they were not quite sure what it was.
If a pill turns anything other than purple, rather quickly, I toss it.
If a pill turns anything other than purple, rather quickly, I toss it.
johnboy
Bluelight Crew
yes macabre is a word... i thought i'd explained this but i'll so it again.
PMA has been killing people in Australia since 1994. there are countless refrences to it in medical journals (see below)
the reason why it isnt in europe? it is made exactly the same way that MDMA is except its precursors are freely available and not scheduled.
In europe, specifically the netherlands, the precursors of MDMA are more available and so no one has had any need to make this obviously inferior drug.
It first turned up in the early 1970s in Canada. a batch was going around that killed a few people. it wasnt heard of again until the mid nineties in Australia.
the reason why the forensic reports have listed PMA as the killer of these people is that they have accurate knowledge of how this substance shows up in gas spectography testing.
With our most recent case, the guy who died at Happy Valley, it was over 4 months before the official cause of death was announced. i cant speak for the American authorities, who do seem a little hasty, but the australian authorities took there time and werent quick to rush in a "guess".
you have seen more than a few newspaper reports, aj, i have sent you forensic reports and other hard data. here is a list of references as found in our PMA FAQ.
Felgate HE, Felgate PD, James RA, Sims DN, Vozzo DC.
Recent Paramethoxyamphetamine Deaths.
J Anal Toxicol 1998;22:169-172
James RA, Dinan A.
Hyperpyrexia Associated with Fatal Paramethoxyamphetamine (PMA) abuse.
Med. Sci. Law 1998;38(1):83-85
Coumbaros JC, Kirkbride KP, Klass G
Application of solid-phase microextraction to the profiling of an illicit drug: manufacturing impurities in illicit 4-methoxyamphetamine.
J Forensic Sci 1999;44(6):1237-42
Kitchen I, Tremblay J, Andre J, Dring LG, Idle JR, Smith RL, Williams RT.
Interindividual and interspecies variation in the metabolism of the hallucinogen
4-methoxyamphetamine. Xenobiotica. 1979;9(7):397-404.
Wu D, Otton SV, Inaba T, Kalow W, Sellers EM.
Interactions of amphetamine analogs with human liver CYP2D6.
Biochem Pharmacol. 1997;53(11):1605-12.
on a personal i note i have taken something once which i believe to be PMA. this was a pill which gave no reaction to an EZ-Test yet was very psychoactive, in the same way s PMA has beem decribed. I also have many other anecdotal reports from other australians.
aj, we dont have any form of proper pill testing in australia. these pills are out here but no one is looking for them. this is entirely fucked situation but it is very real.
either trust me on this one or do all the reading ok?
[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 17 June 2000).]
PMA has been killing people in Australia since 1994. there are countless refrences to it in medical journals (see below)
the reason why it isnt in europe? it is made exactly the same way that MDMA is except its precursors are freely available and not scheduled.
In europe, specifically the netherlands, the precursors of MDMA are more available and so no one has had any need to make this obviously inferior drug.
It first turned up in the early 1970s in Canada. a batch was going around that killed a few people. it wasnt heard of again until the mid nineties in Australia.
the reason why the forensic reports have listed PMA as the killer of these people is that they have accurate knowledge of how this substance shows up in gas spectography testing.
With our most recent case, the guy who died at Happy Valley, it was over 4 months before the official cause of death was announced. i cant speak for the American authorities, who do seem a little hasty, but the australian authorities took there time and werent quick to rush in a "guess".
you have seen more than a few newspaper reports, aj, i have sent you forensic reports and other hard data. here is a list of references as found in our PMA FAQ.
Felgate HE, Felgate PD, James RA, Sims DN, Vozzo DC.
Recent Paramethoxyamphetamine Deaths.
J Anal Toxicol 1998;22:169-172
James RA, Dinan A.
Hyperpyrexia Associated with Fatal Paramethoxyamphetamine (PMA) abuse.
Med. Sci. Law 1998;38(1):83-85
Coumbaros JC, Kirkbride KP, Klass G
Application of solid-phase microextraction to the profiling of an illicit drug: manufacturing impurities in illicit 4-methoxyamphetamine.
J Forensic Sci 1999;44(6):1237-42
Kitchen I, Tremblay J, Andre J, Dring LG, Idle JR, Smith RL, Williams RT.
Interindividual and interspecies variation in the metabolism of the hallucinogen
4-methoxyamphetamine. Xenobiotica. 1979;9(7):397-404.
Wu D, Otton SV, Inaba T, Kalow W, Sellers EM.
Interactions of amphetamine analogs with human liver CYP2D6.
Biochem Pharmacol. 1997;53(11):1605-12.
on a personal i note i have taken something once which i believe to be PMA. this was a pill which gave no reaction to an EZ-Test yet was very psychoactive, in the same way s PMA has beem decribed. I also have many other anecdotal reports from other australians.
aj, we dont have any form of proper pill testing in australia. these pills are out here but no one is looking for them. this is entirely fucked situation but it is very real.
either trust me on this one or do all the reading ok?
[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 17 June 2000).]
aj
Bluelighter
Apologies then.
Sorry Johnboy, I guess I did not read/have time to go through your earlier emails.
Apparently, PMA is going round but (and that is what I tried to say) the media blame a bit too much on PMA it seems.
That is why governments should be honest about the real causes of death and release those figures.
aj
PS I can't re-read your old messages because my harddisk completely broke down 4 days ago and I lost everything....(and no back-ups)
Sorry Johnboy, I guess I did not read/have time to go through your earlier emails.
Apparently, PMA is going round but (and that is what I tried to say) the media blame a bit too much on PMA it seems.
That is why governments should be honest about the real causes of death and release those figures.
aj
PS I can't re-read your old messages because my harddisk completely broke down 4 days ago and I lost everything....(and no back-ups)
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
I have personally wittinessed a PMA test, and there is NO COLOR CHANGE .. but if your pill doesn't yeild a positive test - why even bother taking it?
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