Why Marijuana Legalization is Inevitable in America by 2020

Interesting food for thought even though this post would probably be better served in Drugs in the Media. Also, I think it's optimistic bordering on Pollyannaish to think this can happen in two years. Mitch McConnell ain't goin' nowhere.
 
aihfl said:
Also, I think it's optimistic bordering on Pollyannaish to think this can happen in two years. Mitch McConnell ain't goin' nowhere.
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Republicans have mostly abandoned their anti-pot crusade at this point, it's just too unpopular now. Most people either want pot to be legalized, or don't really care whether it's legal or not. There are very few people nowadays who feel strongly that it should be illegal. And lots of republicans see it as a states' rights issue and think the federal government should stfu and mind its own beeswax.

Sure, 2020 is probably unrealistic, but I do think it will be legalized fairly soon.
 
It's always been inevitable. I certainly wouldn't say by 2020. I don't think the dates can be predicted very well. But it's inevitable. It always had been. Much like the war on drugs will inevitably end in failure.

It's the nature of the system, it naturally tends towards legalization, because there's a large number of people who want it that way, and there always will be. It's not actually possible for the drugs side of the war on drugs to give up and lose. The nature of society precludes that outcome. But it is possible for the anti drug side to give up. Which means it's only a matter of time until the right people are in the right place, and it will end.

One side can give up, the other can't. Wherever that is the case, the side that can't give up, provided it can't be defeated entirely, and in this case it can't because there will always be people who want drugs. They will eventually outlast the other.
 
I wish they'd hurry up with this already. I've been sitting on 100 acres of land and multiple large buildings just waiting to be fitted with lights for a decade now. Been waiting on the chance to finally grow cannabis/hemp on it. It would put a lot of family farms back to work instead of relying on subsidized farming for the Government of crops we have little need for. Been avoiding doing soy and corn for years now. We used to do corn way back in the day but our cash crop was always tobacco up until the 80s when it was no longer profitable to grow it.

If it doesn't pass on the federal level I know the state I reside in will never make it legal for citizens to grow and/or smoke. We didn't even have legal oil for medical patients here until a couple of years ago. As it stands right now I can't even grow a few plants for personal use for fear that they'll take all my land away if they find them. I even actively patrol the farm and yank up any plants I find because I'm so paranoid about it.
 
I would bet quite a bit against this happening by 2020. By 2030, however, I would guess that the odds are in its favour. I certainly wouldn't have thought that in 2010!
 
i disagree. americans have a thing for evangelical principles and christian "morals" that will most likely keep this fucking weird country (currently living in FL) sadly lagging on drug laws. Your justice system, private prisons, and federal agencies depend on the "drug war" way too much to let it go. my bet is at least 10 years if even then
 
^ I think 10 years is a more realistic timeline. In Florida's defense, as bassackwards as this place can be, at least the voters did manage to push through medical marijuana and at least in Orlando, possession is now a civil fine instead of a criminal charge.
 
aihfl said:
^ I think 10 years is a more realistic timeline. In Florida's defense, as bassackwards as this place can be, at least the voters did manage to push through medical marijuana and at least in Orlando, possession is now a civil fine instead of a criminal charge.
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agreed! I am very happy medical passed legislation. And thats awesome to hear about Orlando. I love Florida, just cant stand the big population of conservative jesus preachers/rednecks lol. I live in South FLorida so its pretty diverse and liberal leaning but its still conservative compared to where im from.
 
^ Florida really stops being the south at Orlando and Orlando is where the climate becomes more markedly tropical. Every time I go back to Tallahassee (went to grad school at FSU) I experience culture shock because that is the south. Where you have to specify unsweet tea otherwise they bring you that tea that so sweet that it makes you sick to your stomach. And you actually hear southern accents in Tallahassee.

While I am glad I can say we are now a medical pot state, in practice, it's much more expensive than actually just buying weed on the streets. From the way I understand it, it's pretty easy to get a doctor to "recommend" it for you (it can't be prescribed), the quarterly doctors visits (at least at the place I called) were $275, then there's the actual cost of the weed itself which is $100-150 on top of that for about a month's supply. Kinda reminds of me how easy it was getting opiates back in the day. The only way I would go that route is if I had a job that drug tested - that way I'd be legit.
 
At the very least, if they refuse to remove it from Schedule I for the foreseeable future, then could they not pass a law which dictates that precedence regarding Cannabis' legal status is given to states and territories followed by federally-implemented laws?

As someone who wishes nothing more so than to see the DEA's authority implode, I would love to witness their reaction in such a scenario. Sorry but I can't stand those fuckers.
 
I hope it's decriminalized or legalised the way it is in Spain where as an adult you are legally allowed to smoke all the hash/herb you want in the privacy of your own home, or hotel room, and you are allowed to grow your own bud and hash. There are also private clubs or basically coffee shops where as a legal adult you join, and you can go and buy and smoke hash and herb. But you cannot drive stoned, and obviously trafficking/dealing extremely large amounts is not allowed, but if someone wants to give you some as a gift, or you barter/trade for it but do not pay cash or openly sell it in extremely large quantities, that is allowed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Spain
 
vancity said:
agreed! I am very happy medical passed legislation. And thats awesome to hear about Orlando. I love Florida, just cant stand the big population of conservative jesus preachers/rednecks lol. I live in South FLorida so its pretty diverse and liberal leaning but its still conservative compared to where im from.
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South Florida looks liberal on the surface. But take the amount of retirees, and Cubans and you have a lot of conservative voters

aihfl said:
^ Florida really stops being the south at Orlando and Orlando is where the climate becomes more markedly tropical. Every time I go back to Tallahassee (went to grad school at FSU) I experience culture shock because that is the south. Where you have to specify unsweet tea otherwise they bring you that tea that so sweet that it makes you sick to your stomach. And you actually hear southern accents in Tallahassee.

While I am glad I can say we are now a medical pot state, in practice, it's much more expensive than actually just buying weed on the streets. From the way I understand it, it's pretty easy to get a doctor to "recommend" it for you (it can't be prescribed), the quarterly doctors visits (at least at the place I called) were $275, then there's the actual cost of the weed itself which is $100-150 on top of that for about a month's supply. Kinda reminds of me how easy it was getting opiates back in the day. The only way I would go that route is if I had a job that drug tested - that way I'd be legit.
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I think most jobs especially corporations fire ppl in even recreational states regardless of having a card.

aihfl said:
^ I think 10 years is a more realistic timeline. In Florida's defense, as bassackwards as this place can be, at least the voters did manage to push through medical marijuana and at least in Orlando, possession is now a civil fine instead of a criminal charge.
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Miami is civil now too I believe.

The problem is that the state as a whole is still pretty conservative. And those in offices
 
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LucidSDreamr said:
South Florida looks liberal on the surface. But take the amount of retirees, and Cubans and you have a lot of conservative voters
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The vast majority of South Florida retirees are liberal/Jewish northeasterners.

LucidSDreamr said:
I think most jobs especially corporations fire ppl in even recreational states regardless of having a card.
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I wasn't talking recreational.

LucidSDreamr said:
The problem is that the state as a whole is still pretty conservative. And those in offices
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It's actually split pretty evenly. The problem is gerrymandering.
 
I love that Georgia the former Soviet Republic legalized cannabis before Georgia the state even considered it.

Make no mistake, even if legalized federally places that associate marijuana with libruhls will have plenty of ways to obstruct the retail sale of it. We legalized cannabis in Massachusetts by a sizable majority a couple years ago, and we still won't have recreational sales until almost 2019 because the bill's opponents are in charge of the cannabis control commission. They spend their time coming up with additional requirements to hand out licenses that weren't in the approved legislation.

This is MA, which basically looks like amsterdam compared to places like Arkansas or Mississippi. Those places would rather hand out oxycontin because it doesn't remind them of Obama. They don't give a shit about additional tax revenue for education. In fact they'd rather not. And how ever will the DEA get by without 60% of their budget.
 
Transcendence said:
I love that Georgia the former Soviet Republic legalized cannabis before Georgia the state even considered it.
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It seems that cannabis was decriminalized, not legalized, but still: that's a great story! You should post a thread. ;)
 
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