Stimulants Why is the comdeown of base amphetamine so much worse than 2fa/fma?

[Berdo tm1]

I thought its either due to impurities or just that speed lasts so much longer than its flourinated counterparts.

I dont think it can be just due to impurities since I see alot of ppl on here complain of the negative side effects even of their prescription amphetamines for ADD.

Thoughts?

I remember even when I would have E pills which only had a little bit of speed in them I could feel that shit for days after, feeling like I had the flu or something.

Then again even really good quality mdma would make me feel like crap after, I know ppl talk about how they feel an 'afterglow' but they are kidding themsevles I think. imo if you have an active dose of mdma you will still feel negativve effects for a few days after. Not as bad as speed but definitely there, like your brain is slightly mushy and the serotonin drop after a few days.

Id been wondering what would be less harmful, either one of the 2fa's or low doses of putty base which is rife in the uk. I figure that base it is more well studied but on the flip side it would always make me feel like death for weeks afterwards- but those days I took large recreaitonal doses and never thought about how much I was taking really, but I do recall I had small bits now and then and still felt like total shit the next day. The fas were the cleanest substance Ive ever had in my life rivalled only by kratom when i tried it recently, but the worry is the lack of study done on it.

Also if base is only 50-60% pure then what impurites do the otehr 40% consist of and are they harmful/do they add to the negative side effects?

 

[Ziiirp]

Briefly put, your source could use caffeine as a filler as many european street vendors do. And did you test, that your stuff contains 50-60% of racemic amphetamine ? That amount would be quite high and rar.

I think 2-FA has a lesser comedown, because you cannot redose more than once (of course it has much weaker monoamine reuptake affinities at the same time), i.e. it has a ceiling effect. And more important, it is not laced with the same amount of caffeine, as base amph usually is. 2-FMA is just a prolonged experience and also comedown, that's why it is perceived as less severe. The bummer is, it could be just as neuro- and cardiotoxic as meth per mg (probably due to lipophilicity) , as some smart member argued.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Well then as you say its a duration thing like I also said.

Caffeine as bad as it is cant be what the majority of negative effects of speed cause! People take that shit 24/7. and the negative effects of speed certianly werent the same as caffeine jitters.

Negative effects of speed were like having the flu imo. tons of just mucous filling up the throat every second to name one of the worst side effects. Probably felt the most toxic stuff i ever had.

Tho 2-fa is the least toxic, at least in terms of how it felt. very strange how that goes.

But ye Id surmise that it is most likely a duration of effect thing and that rcs are highly pure compared to street drugs. mdma feels somwhere in between the two.

Coke also doesnt feel bad at all if just done for a couple of hours.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Probably because regular amphetamine is a bit heavier on Ne/DA

 

[Ignot]

I don't know but prescription amphetamines have comedowns that are laughable! So easy to shake off compared to meth/crack high/comedown.
I have experience with 6-apb comedown...I started crying and tried to claw my nails into my face...This was after several doses throughout the day...and then the comedown at like 5am was once of the worst experiences of my life. I didnt want to kill myself but I was so depressed

 

[Ksa]

I don't know but prescription amphetamines have comedowns that are laughable! So easy to shake off compared to meth/crack high/comedown.
I have experience with 6-apb comedown...I started crying and tried to claw my nails into my face...This was after several doses throughout the day...and then the comedown at like 5am was once of the worst experiences of my life. I didnt want to kill myself but I was so depressed

The reason why that is is not because meth is so much stronger and the prescription is cake, it's because the filth you get on the streets has red phosphorus, mercury and arsenic etc. So, during the high, you don't feel the toxic effects that contaminants have on your body, but when the high wears off, all that damage starts hurting like an open sore.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Well I dont think its totally the case.

There is the question whether it is the substance itself thats dmaging or the impurities. The neurotransmitter depletion alone is gonna trash your brain Im sure.

Probably a mix of the two.

And ye i hear ya about 6-apb those fucking rcs that was horrendous.

Im not looking to play around with random junk nowadays interested in a nice relatively safe little dopa stim for performance enhancement. trying to figure the one which will cause least negative effects.

 

[Berdo tm1]

I was wondering whehter a low dose of regualr amp along with megadoses of vitamin c owuld equal something similar to 2-fa since the vitamin c prevents some absorbtion maybe ,aking the high more modest and also speeds up exceretion which should make the half life more manageable.

I havent taken speed for years tho vowing never to again due to those horrific comedowns so i dont know if that experiment is worth the risk cos if it turned out the vitamins had little effect i cant be dealing with bad comdowns these days.