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Miscellaneous Why Is Salvia so unhinged for a Psychedelic?,

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bigjackaal96

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Just from reading trip reports It dark/dysphoric but at the sametime extermely cartoony/surreal, Like a satire of what Psychedelic do. But at the same time you have people getting the same style of trips from GABAergic drugs like Muscimol & others but without the dysphoric effects. But at the same time the Psychedelic effect Is extermely potent you need 1.5 ~ 4mg LSD or 25g shrooms to get the same intensity.

Is It safe to say Salvia is more of very trippy deliriant than a Psychedelic. Since in those same trips they describe situations that you expect from Datura like very realistic visuals that make almost no sense.
 
Maybe it's because the universe is somewhat unhinged and beyond our comprehension.

Salvia can be many things depending on how you use it but it's definitely a very powerful plant spirit. It can be incredibly therapeutic if used correctly.

I would say it is a psychedelic and not a deliriant. I would not compare it to datura. But that's just my opinion.

It's definitely not something to fuck about with just because you're bored.
 
bigjackaal96 said:
Just from reading trip reports It dark/dysphoric but at the sametime extermely cartoony/surreal, Like a satire of what Psychedelic do. But at the same time you have people getting the same style of trips from GABAergic drugs like Muscimol & others but without the dysphoric effects. But at the same time the Psychedelic effect Is extermely potent you need 1.5 ~ 4mg LSD or 25g shrooms to get the same intensity.

Is It safe to say Salvia is more of very trippy deliriant than a Psychedelic. Since in those same trips they describe situations that you expect from Datura like very realistic visuals that make almost no sense.
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Salvia is in its own class. It's a kappa opioid receptor agonist, and subjectively doesn't really feel anything like the serotonergic psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, etc.) If I had to compare it to anything, it would be a the dissociative ketamine, and that's an enormous stretch.

Very few people find GABAergic "psychedelics" like A. muscaria to be like serotonergic psychedelics (to be fair, I did.) It may be worth noting that many of the A. muscaria gummies widely circulating in North America right now have been found to contain tryptamine research chemicals instead of the advertised mushroom extract.
 
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Maybe it is briefly like a deliriant, although I prefer to think of it in terms of a psychedelic, particularly because I consider psychedelics non-toxic (even if they seem change your life).
Salvia is non-toxic. LSD is non-toxic. both are active in microgram ranges although Salvia needs 20 times as many micrograms to provide interesting effects.

My favorite dose of smoked salvia divinorum is 350 to 450 micrograms of Salvinorin A. Most published sources recommend more than twice that which definitely elicits deliriant experiences.
I have not smoked it for over a week, so I am due for a refresher for sure. (sometimes I maintain a web-log of experiences)
 
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pupnik said:
@bigjackaal96
Maybe it is briefly like a deliriant, although I prefer to think of it in terms of a psychedelic, particularly because I consider psychedelics non-toxic (even if they seem change your life).
Salvia is non-toxic. LSD is non-toxic. both are active in microgram ranges although Salvia needs 20 times as many micrograms to provide interesting effects.

My favorite dose of smoked salvia divinorum is 350 to 450 micrograms of Salvinorin A. Most published sources recommend more than twice that which definitely elicits deliriant experiences.
I have not smoked it for over a week, so I am due for a refresher for sure. (sometimes I maintain a web-log of experiences)
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Atypical Deliriants affect receptors that modulate memory & processing input from the senses but not In manner that destructive outside of the Delirious psychosis.

Pfafffed said:
Very few people find GABAergic "psychedelics" like A. muscaria to be like serotonergic psychedelics (to be fair, I did.) It may be worth noting that many of the A. muscaria gummies widely circulating in North America right now have been found to contain tryptamine research chemicals instead of the advertised mushroom extract.
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That because I depends on how many sub units are favoured, Ambien Is far more chaotic binding wise to GABA-A sub units. Alcohol to me feels psychedelic the lighting in our living room starts distort into a sunny day even when the Sun not aimed at our window.
 
BadBoy377 said:
Maybe it's because the universe is somewhat unhinged and beyond our comprehension.
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I'll laugh If people giving aliens/humanoids a headache show up, Pointing out that the dude who used there ass as a drum. I'm sorta joking but I've heard this happening with Disso users when they mistake the harmless ghost in their house as a visual, Said ghost assumes there near a super-witch/wizard.
 
Pfafffed said:
Very few people find GABAergic "psychedelics" like A. muscaria to be like serotonergic psychedelics (to be fair, I did.) It may be worth noting that many of the A. muscaria gummies widely circulating in North America right now have been found to contain tryptamine research chemicals instead of the advertised mushroom extract.
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The differences between "psychedelic character", "psychedelic bodyfeel" or "psychedelic headspace" seems fitting here.I initially viewed lorazepam/zolpidem as being deliriant hallucinogens but the more I reflect on them, I think they're somewhere better.
 
bigjackaal96 said:
Just from reading trip reports
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So you have NO experience of smoking it, you are doing nothing but making a guess.

I have done so much tripping on various things, Salvia is the only one that terrified me & makes NN,DMT & 5-MeO-DMT look like something you would give out at a kids birthday party. You'll never understand Salvia till you have done a good dose of it.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
I have done so much tripping on various things, Salvia is the only one that terrified me & makes NN,DMT & 5-MeO-DMT look like something you would give out at a kids birthday party. You'll never understand Salvia till you have done a good dose of it.
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This must vary subjectively, salvia is euphoric for me on par with MDA/MDMA, and consistenly produces profound experiences that don't feel very "more-ish" the way that 2C-B and DMT do. I've dabbled in up to 500x extracts, and have used both vaporized and sublingual RoAs. I find salvia WAY more friendly than DMT or relatives,
 
I do not think that curandero's are vetted more rigorously than psychiatrists, so, take what they say with a grain of salt.
Salvia is a personal fave of mine, but if I am expecting anyone to be coming over or hanging around me I avoid it, hahaha, unless somebody is purposefully standing guard, and I usually do not ask for that kind of favor.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
So you have NO experience of smoking it, you are doing nothing but making a guess.

I have done so much tripping on various things, Salvia is the only one that terrified me & makes NN,DMT & 5-MeO-DMT look like something you would give out at a kids birthday party. You'll never understand Salvia till you have done a good dose of it.
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Kappa agonists were rejected as pain meds because of the profound dysphoria the only people that get euphoria seem to have ADHD or a ADHD like brain. Ibogaine does the same from being a biased KOR agonist where It blocks Dynorphin being made. Wonder If the ADHD brain does the same thing because of protecting It limited Dopamine levels If unmedicated.

Noise music Is what I would consider the musical version of Salvia as It beyond understanding in a standard musical sense with how chaotic It Is.
 
bigjackaal96 said:
the Psychedelic effect Is extermely potent you need 1.5 ~ 4mg LSD or 25g shrooms to get the same intensity.
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i might have a lower tolerance to lsd than some people, but at like 500-1000ugs of lsd it can hit like salvia for a good couple of hours longer than a salvia trip lasts ime... i'm not sure my exact dose when i was doing that high lsd dose, but it had to have been at least 500ug, and no more than 1000ugs.... i even smoked weed on like 400ugs and i kind of had ego loss similar to salvia for a couple minutes but it wasn't nearly as intense as the strongest experience where i say it could be up to 1000ugs.... it was like tripping on salvia and coming back to reality over and over again for hours on end.. when the ego loss hit, i had no idea what was going on and it was pretty much like a salvia trip, except although there was some cartoon visuals some of the stuff was more realistic. i don't really get realistic stuff at all on salvia. like some of the dreams were cartoon, some of them seemed like reality on lsd (but i was in a completely different place thinking i was a different person at moments.)

i wouldn't really under estimate lsd if any new comers are reading this and tried salvia and are gonna move to lsd... i actually had a kind of bad first LSD trip thinking salvia was so much stronger. i only took 2 tabs and was wrecked. they were thicker than normal paper though.
 
I don't think I would like salvia for more than 15 minutes of insanity which is more like JS Bach music to me than noise, so I love lsd in low doses for a long time and salvia madness for a short time.
 
foodcrisis said:
i might have a lower tolerance to lsd than some people, but at like 500-1000ugs of lsd it can hit like salvia for a good couple of hours longer than a salvia trip lasts ime... i'm not sure my exact dose when i was doing that high lsd dose, but it had to have been at least 500ug, and no more than 1000ugs.... i even smoked weed on like 400ugs and i kind of had ego loss similar to salvia for a couple minutes but it wasn't nearly as intense as the strongest experience where i say it could be up to 1000ugs.... it was like tripping on salvia and coming back to reality over and over again for hours on end.. when the ego loss hit, i had no idea what was going on and it was pretty much like a salvia trip, except although there was some cartoon visuals some of the stuff was more realistic. i don't really get realistic stuff at all on salvia. like some of the dreams were cartoon, some of them seemed like reality on lsd (but i was in a completely different place thinking i was a different person at moments.)

i wouldn't really under estimate lsd if any new comers are reading this and tried salvia and are gonna move to lsd... i actually had a kind of bad first LSD trip thinking salvia was so much stronger. i only took 2 tabs and was wrecked. they were thicker than normal paper though.
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LSD & DMT are D2 agonists. Too much Dopamine can trigger Norepinephrine to flood out which can quite literally mimic Salvia's effects.
 
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