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Misc Why is heroin IVd while crack and meth are smoked?

AvenaSativa

AvenaSativa

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I know that people can smoke heroin and IV crack and meth but it seems the most popular way to take heroin is IV and the most popular way to take crack and meth is smoke. Why aren't all 3 drugs taken the same way? If smoking a drug is the fastest way to get it to your brain then why do people IV at all?
 
Because each is a different experience all on its own. They are different rushes/highs and it's up to the individual how they wanna use it. Like me, sometimes I smoke my crack or meth and then sometimes when my needle fetish kicks in ill shoot it. I know one thing though, missing a shot of crack or meth is can be a lot more damaging than a missed shot of heroin so the risk to benefit ratio is a little different. I love the taste of a good shot of ice though :)
 
I believe it also has to do with the "target audience" of each drug,if you get what i mean.

Coke and Meth are often viewed are recreational drugs where one can do every now and then,is popular among young ages,teenagers,college students and stuff and are accepted in more "normal" circles,whereas heroin is always viewed(falsely imo) as the lowlife drug for second class citizens,bums,deadbeat junkies etc.

People can go on days of stim binging themselves but god forbid if they find out youre doing H,you are immediately labeled as a sick unreliable junkie by those same ppl.Its a cultural thing i guess,theres that prejudice against heroin and thats where the needle comes in i think,as ppl have the theory that once a guy uses heroin hell go like mad or something,throw immediately his life and everything out of the window and start shooting into his dick cause he gives no shit.

Horrible stereotype imo,im around my 7nth year of active H addiction and never IVed once,even though i had plenty of chances and sometimes it was my only way of getting fixed but still refused and waited till i get some powder to snort/smoke.
Truth is that wheres smoke theres fire,meaning that the stereotype is somewhat true as alot of H users will quickly or eventually turn to the needle(for a variety of reasons) but thats only one side of the coin.

Plus,beside IV heroin being supposedly "great" and stuff,IV coke is way more intense and habit forming,most IV users agree on that,and its certainly more dangerous as well.
 
Many people IV crack and Meth its all about whether you have a love for the rush for IV drug use.

But in my opinion Most people that do crack and Meth haven't moved up to heroin or are not addicted in the way they need it to survive. People can do a crack binge for a night then not touch it for a month whereas heroin users need that drug in their body in the most efficient way possible with no waste because any day without it is hell. Your right smoking a drug does cause it to reach the brain faster than any other ROA but it still isn't the same rush as IV since your lungs can only hold so much smoke/vapour but you can load as much of the substance you need into a syringe to be injected hitting you all at once. Smoking also wastes more of the drug and isn't as efficient as IV. IV use generally last longer than smoking does so many find that Better in the long run rather than having the 2 second faster come up that smoking gives.

Also if someone is buying crack its usually to smoke because cocaine is converted to crack so it can be smoked. When cocaine is turned to crack it takes the HCL form of cocaine and transforms it into a base form which can be smoked. Base form of drugs are good for smoking but cant be IVed without converting it back to the HCL water soluble form. If you inject crack you need to drop something acidic Into the solution to convert the drug back to its original state (cocaine) so really your just injecting cocaine.

In reality its all about preference but all I know is usually once someone trys the needle there's no comparison to smoking, the needle is now the preferred ROA whether its Meth,crack, or heroin.
 
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When you smoke heroin, you can only get so much of the drug into your bloodstream with each inhalation, and smoking .1 of tar for example can take some time. When you inject the same amount, it all gets into your bloodstream and straight to your brain within seconds.

More than any type of drug, injecting is a huge part of the opiate experience. The sense of instant relief and euphoria from getting the whole dose into your brain within seconds. If you've had a heroin addictiom but never injected, you're missing out on a huge part of the experience (and also missing out on a lot of the dangers!). Taking an opiate via any other route, once you've shot it, is wholly unsatisfying. The rush is a key part of the experience.

Not to say the same isn't true of uppers like crack and meth, but generallu a good lungbuster off a crack pipe is enough to ring your bell anyways. The rush from IV coke or IV meth is unbelievably intense, almost too.intense. the rush from heroin is just so wonderfully and instantly blissful, plus you know you're getting 100% of the drug.
 
"Cocaine is, along with meth, one of those rare drugs where it is actually possible to get a huge dose in at once by inhalation (high BA when smoked)"
 
I reckon a lot of it has to do with bioavailability. Crack, meth and heroin are three totally different drugs.
Smoking is a highly efficient ROA for crack and meth. Most users aren't going to go to the trouble of IV because smoking is just as effective in terms of cost and effects, not to mention a lot more practical. Heroin is different. A hardcore junkie is going to want the most bang for his buck and with this drug, smoking is very wasteful compared to mainlining.
 
A lot of the experience of IVing and its addiction has to do with addiction to the ritual. I think it probably also has a lot to do with social experiences. When you're around IV users, you're a lot more likely to start.
one of my H dealers has been dealing and doing an absolutely ridiculous amount of H for years and years and has never switched from snorting to IV use. Doesn't even smoke it. He's a huge anomaly though.
 
Crashing said:
Coke is just really difficult to IV due to the vasoconstriction, easier to smoke it.
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Yeah, but that first shot is nuts, your hearing goes completely, you can't even breathe, its like being hit by a freight train. You get right to the brink where you think you're gonna have a heart attack, then you're back within 5 minutes. After puking it's time for another!

IV meth is also unbelievable, pure euphoria for a few minutes, a lot more sexual than coke. Some people have an orgasm their first time. Also eqsy to seize out. You also stay spun for hours unlike coke.

Iv heroin just takes the weight of the world off your shoulders within seconds, you go from being dopesick to utterly carefree and wrapped in a warm blanket of euphoria. Its an integral part of the experience to me, once you shoot heroin there's no going back, its different with uppers
 
AgonyAndEcstasy781 said:
Yeah, but that first shot is nuts, your hearing goes completely, you can't even breathe, its like being hit by a freight train. You get right to the brink where you think you're gonna have a heart attack, then you're back within 5 minutes. After puking it's time for another!

IV meth is also unbelievable, pure euphoria for a few minutes, a lot more sexual than coke. Some people have an orgasm their first time. Also eqsy to seize out. You also stay spun for hours unlike coke.
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I still get nauseated every time I think about slamming coke. It's like the best and worse feelings ever all at the same time
 
wezface said:
I still get nauseated every time I think about slamming coke. It's like the best and worse feelings ever all at the same time
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For real, I'd sit on the floor with a trashcan between my legs and my works.next to me, do a shot, spew my guts, and do another one. My girlfriend would be sitting there doing the same, and we'd stay you doing that shit all night. Insanity

And speedballs are another whole deal haha
 
Yyyep. I had the sink, my boyfriend had the toilet. Shoot, puke, rush, drink water, shoot, peek out the blinds, try to find a spot to hit that isn't totally swollen and destroyed, shoot.

A few times my rig got clogged so I burnt the tip to unclog it... but then I was so high I forgot to wipe it off before I shot it. So I actually have a few tattooed track marks from the lamp black. hurr durr
 
wezface said:
Yyyep. I had the sink, my boyfriend had the toilet. Shoot, puke, rush, drink water, shoot, peek out the blinds, try to find a spot to hit that isn't totally swollen and destroyed, shoot.

A few times my rig got clogged so I burnt the tip to unclog it... but then I was so high I forgot to wipe it off before I shot it. So I actually have a few tattooed track marks from the lamp black. hurr durr
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Haha, good times on drugs! I have a few of those tats myself from my OxyContin days.. those things were great at clogging rigs
 
wezface said:
I still get nauseated every time I think about slamming coke. It's like the best and worse feelings ever all at the same time
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Yes, I love shooting opioids. (After getting an abcess in my arm at 16 though, it's very hard for me to find a vein so I haven't done it much in the past 7 years out of caution...stupid teenager shooting pills.)

But my boyfriend and I were addicted to cocaine last spring and last fall. The first time we shot it, we were both extremely ill. Shitting on the toilet while puking into the bathtub bad, and with two people with one bathroom it was quite a scene. I didn't do it much after that. I'd rather just snort or boof it.

I have a friend who has done shot all three and told me that meth burns like hell even if you hit the vein. So that may be part of it for some people. I don't know if that is a normal reaction of course.
 
I've shot meth and never felt a burning sensation. Unless your friend is cooking it and injecting hot liquid or there is a filler that's aggravating the vein wall, I don't understand why it would burn.
 
Lucy Bookit said:
I have a friend who has done shot all three and told me that meth burns like hell even if you hit the vein.
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lol I was an IV meth addict for years, that simply isn't true. Like pretty much everything else, if you hit a vein, you basically don't feel anything. Meth is huge in Australia, by the way; we essentially don't have 'amphetamine'.
 
Yeah, that makes sense that it wouldn't. When he said it, it surprised me, so it makes sense it wasn't true. He is a traveller kid, train hopper, what not, so his rig was really messed up--rusted and bent he said *shudder*--and I can imagine he might not have been too careful about his technique.
 
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