Who are you on MDMA?

[Merkatroid]

Just a quick question for the good people on this board...
I know that when one takes MDMA, it releases the amino acid serotonin; the happiness regulator. I also know that MDMA is really just a catalyst, and what the person is feeling/thinking subconsciously or consciously will be amplified...so if someone has issues they haven't dealt with, or are sad and don't realise it, the roll will be very emotional. Once in a while, though, you will come across a person/people that react very differently to the drug. They become nasty, snipey, etc etc. I've personally been in situations where a straight person seems quite nice, but give them a pill, and they start being really sarcastic, smart-assed people. One person actually got really aggressive physically. He hadn't had anything else either.
To clarify something, in all situations, everyone had the same pills, all said pills were tested, and everyone elses reaction was textbook MDMA-like.
I have a few ideas as to why this may happen, but i'd like to hear others views..so...i put to you...
1. Why do you think this occurs? Have I answered my own question by saying that MDMA is a catalyst, therefore, if the person is superficially really nice, but essentially not very nice, then the MDMA will bring that out?
2. How are you on MDMA? or How have people said you are on MDMA?
3. Have you ever been in a situation like the one i have posted about?

 

[Airwalk]

Yes I can agree with you regarding people behaving badly on pills and yes it seems to be a minority. From what I've read Seratonin doesn't control happiness exactly but a sense of well-being. And in this circumstance happiness would follow. But I guess it could be conceivable that someone would be agro or agressive under these circumstance as that's an emotion that they wouldn't normally display.
Being that we still know very little about A) MDMA and B)Seratonin and its effects on the brain this is really a tough question to answer.
BTW... Big ups for your testing. Keep it up.
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Dancing, the eternal quest to mash my ankles into dust.

 

[Merkatroid]

Airwalk Thanks for clearing the serotonin thing up (without telling me i'm a f**king idiot

)...i'm still learning.

 

[pom^]

ive found that people who are usually outgoing and talkative tend to be 'quieter' on pills..
whereas people who are usually quiet and shy (like me) dont shuttup when on a pill.. and that includes talking to complete strangers.

 

[Merkatroid]

Pomi guess what I am trying to ask is not how talkative you are on pills, and if you are like that straight...there is a difference between quiet people being talkative on pills etc etc...and seeemingly nice peole turning downright nasty and rude on pills...i guess that is the point of my post.

For example...I am a chatty-ish person,(but not too loud), when i'm on E, i tend to remain essentially similar, maybe a bit more uninhibited with my conversation, i get a little fuzzy and scatty toward the end, but in no way shape or form am i rude, smartass, sarcastic or snipey.
Someone else maybe nice as pie, but add E to the picture and they start being really rude, insulting, etc...
Pinky The group that i usually party with is all mates who trust eachother, good setting, love eachother heaps, so that is not really part of it...in some cases, definitely yes, if the group dynamic was fukt, but this isnt the case with us.
Personally, i would much rather party with friends that i can be myself with, rather than add a person/people who behaves like this and have to be walking on eggshells constantly

 

[Samadhi]

Heehe...wholeheartedly concurr with you on your last point Merkatroid.
In OHO, high maintenance anything isn't fun...that includes people like that.

 

[fat tony]

i love the way E can bring out whats inside of people.
but then when you use it too much and abuse it.. you can start to wonder if you on e is really you. then the thought occurs that E wasnt bringing you out, it was creating a something that isnt really there. for example i think most people tend to like who they are on pills.. coz it gives them more comfidence etc. but then what if that self that you like being, didnt exist in the first place.. then you cant really claim it as yourself.
hence why you talk so much on your first E. but when you start doin them regularly, a random newbie striking up a conversation makes you fell ill... because you dont want to engage in a *fake* conversation. you dont want to use the drug as an excuse to be more socially capable than you are normally.
or its just me

tony
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bringing the house down.

 

[blufluffybunny]

I have been known to have moments where i have 'snapped' at people, but have NO recolection of it. THEN AGAIN, this has only been witnessed by ONE person, and him on pills is a VERY spastic situation.
So I don't know if it's me snapping at him or his judgement is way off and takes my joking too seriously.
Cause when someone asks me to get water for them all night, i think it warrants a 'get it yourself' comment.
But anyways, I have known people to get grumpy. HELL, I got grumpy once but it was the fact I was surrounded by headbangers listening to AC/DC. SO I think it may also be your current state of mind. I can't see taking a pill when your pissed off would make you any happier.
Im no scientist tho. I can only go on personal experience.

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If I melt dry ICE, do you think I can swim without getting wet?

 

[Fry-d-]

Fat Tony I fully agree with that, you start out loving the fact that you can run up to any random person and talk their ear off. Then after a while you take a step back and start to think about what your doing and as you said its all fake. My friends and I have come to that exact conclusion. Not that I dont love to dribble shit when theres someone listening but the fake drug induced conversations do start to get to you after a while.
.... or maybe I'm just getting old and jaded

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[RAveDuST]

Merkatroid- Nice post, got a question for you..
If you were to explain your relationship with only one(1) of your friends you go partying with...
What would you write, how would you explain it, would you be able to explain and what would be left out, would it be right, would your friend agree???
My point being, there are so many variables, add a drug into equation and there is so much that can go either way..
How many friends have you seen completely scat on alcohol? It doesn't mean that every time they drink their going to be that way.
I have found myself going in loops with E. I enjoy a drug a certain way for a time, see what I can gain from that then I move on. Whether that be Dancing, Yoga, Self discovery or just going with the flow of a night..
I don't think I could ever say i've had the same experience twice.
I hope I have given an incite that helps shed light on your question..

 

[josh_nexus]

Hey this is my kind of question.... well here go's. MDMA both triggers the release of serotonin and prevents its reuptake (hence preventing production regulation). People with certain personality traits, esp. manic depression, are prone to act in very unpredictable ways when mood regulation chemical levels in their brains are altered due to problems with the chemical reseptors in their brains. You dont have to have manic depression, just having the slight chemical imbalence which denotes a predisposition to these sort of mental problems can mean you will suffer an adverse reaction to MDMA use. Personally I react in pretty much the textbook way; lots of energy, deep emathy with everybody, conection with music and rythmn ect..

 

[RAveDuST]

Does anybody find a commonly occuring adverse reaction to MDMA?
E.g Everytime person X takes E they find themselves redoing their negative reactions to E.
I'm interested to hear this!!
Cheers,

 

[CooLWorld]

fat tony interesting post... actually interesting topic all together...
i think ecstasy brings out parts of peoples personalities which you dont normally see very often. this may be due to shyness, family and friends situation, or most likely (i think) that he/her doesnt feel condfident to act themselves normally.
alot of people arent honest with themselves because they are trying to 'fit in' to society, or put on a certain attitude or image to associate themselves with a particular group in society. when people are on ecstasy i think you get a very clear insight into who they are. i dont think that there is anything fake about it, i think its just unusual to see.
from my experience everyone acts different on ecstasy. people which are very image orientated, try to act very cool all the time and/or have an attitude problem i think either open up big time, tend to talk more and are often very easy going OR become even more stuck-up and try to look even cooler (since there on e's now).
people which are honest with themselves, live a balanced life, and do things they like to do by themselves i think tend to get the most out of ecstasy. ive always thought ecstasy rewards 'open mindedness'.
either way i think theres alot to learn from ecstasy. i think it can make people learn about themselves and be more honest with themselves - things which can be realised otherwise, but e's provide a nice shortcut

. in today's world where society likes to force people into groups and people often feel scared to be themselves, i think this is a blessing in itself.
i dont think talking to everyone on ecstasy is fake - its just what happens when your on e. think about all the stupid things youve done and said when your trashed on alcohol. after a few drinks, i done things i so would never do normally. but in the same way you learn about yourself as well - i mean how much better do you understand someone after youve got drunk together.
in the end, i make no distinction between alcohol and ecstasy. both are fun to be on, both change you forever and both make you do things you wouldnt normally do. just live a balanced life and youll be fine

ravedust:

"I have found myself going in loops with E. I enjoy a drug a certain way for a time, see what I can gain from that then I move on. Whether that be Dancing, Yoga, Self discovery or just going with the flow of a night.."

ill second that. sometimes when i drop ecstasy and im in a mood to dance, ill spend most of the night on the dance floor, sucking in the euphoria. other nights if i have alot on my mind ill catch up with friends alot (have lots of D&M's

). the real question is how many people realise the full potential of e?
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[Merkatroid]

Wow, what great replies!!!!

In answer to RaveDust's question...

If you were to explain your relationship with only one(1) of your friends you go partying with...
What would you write, how would you explain it, would you be able to explain and what would be left out, would it be right, would your friend agree???

I would write that he is very much like myself of E...very chilled, likes to chat, gets scatty towards the end, etc. We don't allow the scattyness to become weird..if he says something, and i don't fully hear, i ask him what he said, then he'll say, he doesn't remember, then we'll crack up laughing. Give lots of hugs, sometimes have quite deep conversations. I wouldn't leave anything out, because there isn't anything to leave out.

I'm sure if you asked him, he would agree.
Speaking personally, i'm a pretty cut and dried person on any drug. WHen i trip, i trip, when i pill, i pill.
Totally agree with you tho on there being so many variables when it comes to drugs...it's just that there has been a case where i have partied with a person and EVERY time they have e, it has the completely opposite effect on them...the other people around see this and are puzzled too
Thanks guys, you have given me some definite insights into why this may occur...each gave a different point of view which has given me a definite idea as to why this occurs withe a couple of my friends.It has been puzzling me to the extreme, and you have been very helpful!!!! thanks!

It's also a shame tho, because now the small circle of people that I roll with are thinking twice about inviting them to roll again, because the situation it creates makes everyone walk on eggshells...not good when you just want to relax and enjoy this lovely substance

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[Maxi]

When i trip, i trip, when i pill, i pill.

i wouldn't have thought there was a standard way to trip or pill. for me it depends on set and setting... if im out, then it's going to be a heap different than if im at home, or taking acid at the movies

Maxi

 

[Merkatroid]

Very true Maxi...

I guess what i meant was that in the right set and setting, it's pretty textbook. Of course different settings will make for a different experience, what i am getting at is that those influences are all exterior. WHat i am talking about is how MDMA can really bring out peoples true selves...which can be great

or not so good

Also, mind set plays a big role...being sad can make for an emotion role, happy can make for a great roll...essentially though the person is still the same person. This is my point. Drugs can't change a persons core being (what they are REALLY like) during the experience, and sometimes MDMA really shows the core being of people...not what they want others to see...MDMA can really f&%k up a persons facade.

 

[Luko]

Regarding people becoming unpleasant on pills, I think it works like this. Your friend is either totally uncomfortable with how the drug is making them feel and this is their way of coping with it. (This is how it manifests itself.) Or, perhaps that was an underlying personality trait all along, and since they now feel less inhibition, it's been brought to the fore.
To keep it under control has anyone talked to them about it? Either during the roll or after?
As for having D&M's on ecstacy, well, I think we can all pick the difference between a real chat and a fake one. If your mind is wandering during that 3hr conversation you're having in the car, well, it's pretty fair to say it's a fake convo, and your primary reason for staying in the car talking to someone is probably to get away from the music and take a break rather than get to know them on a new level. But if you find yourself continually going "wow I never thought of it that way", then even if it's drug induced, you're learning something about that person and probably about yourself that would otherwise go to waste, and it's a "real" talk that you should cherish and try to remember!!

 

[skelz-E-]

Does anyone remember that little mouse off the animated movie 'An American Tale' and it's sequel 'An American Tale 2 - Fiefel goes west'?
Well my friends have dubbed me Feifel on account that I've got a big smile on my face, I'm little (really little) and I always wear clothes about 50 sizes too big for me - if you see the mouse, you'll know what I'm talking about

 

[NiQu3LorD]

Merkatroid Fantastic topic

As for how I act on pills. Pretty textbook as a couple have already termed it. The textbook characteristics represent a common denominator we all have in our personalities I believe, and the subtle differences such as anxieties/degrees of self doubt/enduring personality traits/brain chemistry/* exclusive to each and every one of us are represented by any deviation in our behavior from this "textbook" reaction. That's very general, as for how each of these subtle differences we all have correlate with certain ways in which act while off our nuts?
I think that's a more complicated question than a lot of people may think.
But I will say this, I believe MDMA liberates us from our own anxieties and personal fears, allowing us to empathise with others.
I have had one bad reaction to MDMA, I once yelled out "FUCK YOU!" to someone from the car window, and although this was a once off, and it was complicated why I said it because it was linked to lots of things, all emotionally related to me when I'm not using MDMA, I wouldn't say something like that normally. But maybe I wanna be saying that =)
So FUCK U!

NiQueLorD

 

[Energizer]

I am not a big talker at the best of times. But when I am on a desenct whack of MDMA, I dont shut up.
I love the D&M's I get into with my other half.