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Misc which is worse on the heart?

Poppa'_$murfxXx

Poppa'_$murfxXx

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Firstly i have just been useing the search engine for the past hour reading posts and i still do not have a definitive answer so im going to ask for a little extra help please.

which is more stressfull on the heart MDMA or Cocaine?
 
If you use MDMA as much as you would binge on Cocaine,
the MDMA.

otherwise cocaine would have to be worse on the heart in just a recreational nightly party use.
 
I personally have never had any heart complaints while on mdma but when ive been on come downs from coke i got sharp pains in my heart sometimes

when it comes to pills that are meant to be XTC/MDMA if they are mixed with heaps of other shit which most E's are these days then definitely the pills

fuck knows how many times ive been in hospital due to heart troubles with E's

thats why i dont use them at all any more but i wouldnt hesitate to use actual mdma
 
It has to be relative. If you take MDMA at a massive overdose level, and die, it's obviously worse for you.

Assuming all other variables stay the same, and we're talking about how people typically use MDMA versus cocaine (one dose versus binging, respectively) then cocaine is worse.
 
Is MDMA worse than amphetamines? People often binge on drugs like meth/adderall the same way one would binge on cocaine yet my understanding was that cocaine carried greater cardiovascular risks. I admit that I am very scared of using cocaine for this reason.
 
burn out said:
Is MDMA worse than amphetamines? People often binge on drugs like meth/adderall the same way one would binge on cocaine yet my understanding was that cocaine carried greater cardiovascular risks. I admit that I am very scared of using cocaine for this reason.
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MDMA is more neurotoxic than amphetamines; although using MDMA once is better for you than binging on meth.
 
I meant to ask if it was worse on the heart. One use of MDMA vs one use of meth or adderall at an equilavent dosage.
 
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I meant to ask if it was worse on the heart. One use of MDMA vs one use of meth or adderall at an equilavent dosage.
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MDMA is still worse. In terms of neurotoxicity, this is apparently how it ranks...

most neurotoxic > a little less neurotoxic > much less neurotoxic > the least neurotoxic

MDA > MDMA > methamphetamine > amphetamine

Interestingly enough I prefer MDA over MDMA and probably like d-meth and d-amp equally.

As far as adderall, I would guess that it's more neurotoxic than d-amp, as the racemic salts would probably increase heart rate, blood pressure, internal body temperature, yielding greater neurotoxicity. This is just a guess, though, and I could be wrong, but I tend to think that the d-isomer by itself, is less neurotoxic.

If you account for the racemic salts and deliberately avoid overheating, and dehydration, then you could avoid the difference in terms of neurotoxicity, although I'm not 100% sure to be quite honest with you.
 
Even at 460mg of (pure, yes pure) MDMA i found little cardio-related issues besides anxiety-related heart-rate increase.
Cocaine (when very high quality) tends to cause me sharp chest pains if i take too many bumps clustered together.

My vote wholeheartedly goes to Cocaine as the heart attack in a powder!
 
The answer is cocaine, hands down. Cocaine + alcohol is even worse for the heart.
 
Cface said:
Even at 460mg of (pure, yes pure) MDMA i found little cardio-related issues besides anxiety-related heart-rate increase.
Cocaine (when very high quality) tends to cause me sharp chest pains if i take too many bumps clustered together.

My vote wholeheartedly goes to Cocaine as the heart attack in a powder!
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i had heart pain the few times i used cocaine as well and i didn't even do a large amount. cocaine scares the shit out of me to be honest, it's the only common illegal drug i am too afraid to take.
 
^I Don't mean large amounts... 40-50mg bumps (Estimating) 5-8 times within an hour is quite hard on my heart :)
 
Coke is in a league of its own for cardiac hazard. Even Diego Maradonna eventually developed heart problems. At the same time E use is fairly standard, as Captain points out, while coke use ranges from the reasonably harmless (one line every other day) to the reckless (multi-shot IV sessions).

If you think in terms of chemistry, MDMA is an amp (that "MA" stands for "methamphetamine", remember). The attachment to that amp of a "M" group facilitates its crossing the blood-brain barrier, ie increases its effect on the CNS (as opposed to just pushing your blood pressure up).

In other words, you could say that in order to get the same high, more meth or amp is needed than MDMA.

It should also be remembered that MDMA is a "hotter" illegal drug than other amphetamine-related compounds. Therefore workers in the field will get kudos for coming up with "MDMA neurological damage" in their papers.

See "Harm Assessment" in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Harm_assessment

I particularly liked the following: "David Nutt, a former chairman of the UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, stated in the Journal of Psychopharmacology in January 2009 that ecstasy use compared favorably with horse riding in terms of risk, with ecstasy leading to around 30 deaths a year in the UK compared to about 10 from horse riding, and "acute harm to person" occurring in approximately 1 in 10,000 episodes of ecstasy use compared to about 1 in 350 episodes of horse riding"
 
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If you think in terms of chemistry, MDMA is an amp (that "MA" stands for "methamphetamine", remember). The attachment to that amp of a "M" group facilitates its crossing the blood-brain barrier, ie increases its effect on the CNS (as opposed to just pushing your blood pressure up).
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No, MDMA is less potent than MDA, the N-methyl group decreases potency.
In other words, you could say that in order to get the same high, more meth or amp is needed than MDMA.
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No, typical doses for MDMA are waaay higher than those for amp/methamp.
 
hmm, thats a good question. i never really thought of that one.
i think most people will say coke, and it probably is coke.
but overbinging on E can be just as bad, but not as bad as coke maybe.
 
im worried about my cocaine useage, i dont want to die but i want to keep useing cocaine, i can use on a occasional basis i just need epople opinion about how much i can use coke wihtout puting myself into a graze too early.??
 
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