In college I ran into GHB with no idea as to what it was in the first place, as I went to college in South Florida but I'm from Maine. I was already using the combination of kratom, kava, cannabis, alcohol, amphetamine (redirected Adderall or eurospeed typically), and street benzos at the time when I'd be out partying but GHB was some new thing I just decided to add to the mix.
I cannot overstate how goddamn lucky I am to have survived that period of my life. Any two way mix of GABA agents is already risky, but drinking, using benzos, and using GHB at the same time about 2/7 days (on my days off) led to some blacking out that eventually stopped after maybe a month or so of doing this buffoonery. I want to stress again that I likely only survived this due to bodyweight, metabolic quirks, and missing the majority of my GI tract in the first place due to past surgeries.
Nowadays as a more grown and knowledgeable adult I've used GHB here and there and find it to be everything alcohol wishes it was and even more, it's so wild how subjectively variant these drugs can be. I don't think I've drank since rediscovering GHB post-college and going "Wow, this is what alcohol wishes it was!".
I've seen people talk about Phenibut withdrawals online but have never experienced any psychological form of withdrawal I could notice, only a couple run-ins with cold turkey dropping lorazepam that led to seizures and taught young me a lesson about how to taper correctly. I've never seen anybody describe in depth what the WD is like from phenibut, would you mind articulating upon it?
Where I'm from (and also where I'm moving to) this has led to
many people going missing, but I suppose the US and Germany have very different access to guns. I'm shocked your boyfriend didn't just rob him with a knife out to be honest, what's the dealer going to do, go to the cops and say "This guy stole my illlicit substances!"
I brought this up as a hypothetical, not a literal situation that has occurred. A big reason that fentanyl is an issue here though, in a non-hypothetical manner is that people think shaking the baggie with a bunch of caffeine powder is adeqaute to cut it, not realizing that pharmaceutical companies have been trying to figure out "perfect homogenization" since the late 1800's, and still haven't got there. Most prescribed drugs in the US have an acceptable margin of error for dose between 10-30% depending on the drug, which is much higher than other nations, but it's also because of how hard it is to homogenize certain things. If mephenaqualone hit the streets right now in the US, I absolutely promise you that any of a variety of dirtbag street dealers I know would put 30mg of mephenaqualone in a baggie with 3 grams of inositol, shake it vigorously for a few minutes and then sell it to any random person as "a hundred doses of qualuudes". Intentional misreprensetation is kind of the name of the game for many American dealers, especially because overdoses tend to attract clientele from other dealers. I can't speak much on it, but I was around a ton of drug trafficking in my youth due to some social associations, and every time a client would OD, we'd find random people who were visibly opioid addicts knocking on the door trying to get some of that, because they wanted the strongest dope they could possibly find.
This makes me feel like for practical/functional applications, phenibut certainly comes out on top.
@Mana0909 Would you mind giving a brief rundown of how you'd compare alprazolam, clonazepam, diazepam or lorazepam to any of the other benzos you'd mentioned? I'm especially interested in temazepam, tetrazepam, and oxazepam as they're quite hard to come by in the US and they seem worthwhile. Rilmazofone and chlordiazepoxide seem interesting too, but rilmazofone seems kind of "hit or miss" for most people, and chlordiazepoxide's insane duration seems like it would be neat for a little bit but get quite boring after a few days, doesn't it allegedly last for numerous days?
Happy holidays btw!!!
Yes, of course, and thank you so much for your detailed reply. I'm truly happy to communicate with you.
Yes, I understand what you mean. My fiancé also said, "When I could, I would torture this asshole in the worst possible way." Here in Europe (Germany), weapons aren't allowed, and I would also state that it's way more chill compared to the U.S., but that's only what I have seen and read. I'm not an expert by any means.
Yes, of course, I can give you a brief rundown of those benzodiazepines:
Chlordiazepoxide: One of the first benzodiazepines ever developed, Chlordiazepoxide (Librium) is primarily used for anxiety, alcohol withdrawal, and preoperative anxiety. It has a long duration of action, typically lasting 12-24 hours. Chlordiazepoxide is known for its calming effects without causing significant sedation or euphoria. It is less potent than many other benzodiazepines, making it a safer option for long-term use. Its ability to reduce anxiety and prevent seizures during alcohol withdrawal makes it a valuable medication in medical settings.
Alprazolam: The strongest benzodiazepine for anxiety and panic attacks, truly kills all of your emotions inside and makes you a total emotionless robot. Like on any benzodiazepine, you can blackout very easily, especially from this benzo. It's also the one that causes the least euphoria and has the highest potential for dysphoric and depressive effects on the user. The next thing why this benzo is the worst is its short duration. You can calculate 3-4 hours when you take a normal dose. Then you are already normal again. The reason this benzodiazepine is so hyped is mainly because of its name "Xanax." It starts with an "X," it reads the same backward, and it also came out when benzodiazepines were still seen as the holy grail, pills that can fix all problems without any side effects. Marketing was the last thing, but I can't tell you much there because this only happened in the U.S.
Lorazepam: It has many effects that Alprazolam has, but with the difference that it doesn't cause as much dysphoria as Alprazolam. It's often used in hospitals, and doctors prescribe it more often than Alprazolam. It counts as a middle long-lasting benzodiazepine, and its main effect lasts 4-8 hours, and after 16 hours, the effect should be fully gone. It's the second strongest benzodiazepine for anxiety and panic attacks after Alprazolam, and although it's not something special, it's way safer and more comfortable than Alprazolam.
Clonazepam: The strongest benzodiazepine for seizures and one of the most loved benzodiazepines. From all benzodiazepines, this benzo has the least emotional suppression, or one of the lowest. It has the special function that it can cause mild euphoria when taken in a depressed, anxious, or emotionally broken state. The sedation is also one of the strongest you can find, and it also doesn't really make you tired. It's also perfect because it's very long-acting. The main duration goes between 8-12 hours, and you can still feel it after 48 hours!
Temazepam: After Clonazepam, the strongest benzodiazepine for seizures and also considered the benzo with one of the strongest euphoria. Like Clonazepam, it's extremely sedating and lets you feel very light. Because of the mild-moderate euphoria, it doesn't make you an emotionless robot, and on top of that, it's also the benzodiazepine that causes the strongest muscle relaxation. This means that it can help against chronic pain and increase the effect of painkillers such as ASS, Pamol, Naproxen, as well as opioids like Tramadol. The addiction potential is especially high here, same as Clonazepam, because of its high affinity for seizure reduction and muscle relaxation, meaning a withdrawal could cause heavy muscle spasms and deadly cramps.
Tetrazepam: Known for its strong muscle relaxant properties, Tetrazepam is often used to treat muscle spasms and related conditions. It has a moderate duration of action, typically lasting 6-8 hours. While it provides significant relief from muscle tension, it can also cause sedation and mild euphoria. However, its use has been limited due to concerns about severe allergic reactions.
Diazepam: One of the most well-known benzodiazepines, Diazepam (Valium) is highly effective for anxiety, muscle spasms, and seizures. It has a long duration of action, lasting 12-24 hours, making it suitable for sustained relief. Diazepam is less likely to cause severe emotional suppression compared to Alprazolam, and it provides a calming effect without making the user completely emotionless. It is often used in medical settings for its versatility and effectiveness.
Oxazepam: A short to intermediate-acting benzodiazepine, Oxazepam is primarily used for anxiety and alcohol withdrawal symptoms. It has a duration of action of 6-12 hours. Oxazepam is known for its relatively mild sedative effects and lower potential for abuse compared to other benzodiazepines. It is often preferred for its safety profile and effectiveness in managing anxiety without causing significant euphoria or emotional blunting.
Rilmazafone: A lesser-known benzodiazepine, Rilmazafone is used primarily in Japan for its hypnotic and anxiolytic effects. It has a short duration of action, typically lasting 4-6 hours. Rilmazafone is unique in that it is a prodrug, meaning it is metabolized into its active form in the body. It provides mild sedation and anxiety relief, making it suitable for short-term use in treating insomnia and anxiety. The active substance is named Rilmazolam
Bretazenil: An atypical benzodiazepine, Bretazenil is known for its partial agonist properties at the GABA-A receptor. It has a moderate duration of action, lasting 6-12 hours. Bretazenil is less likely to cause severe sedation and emotional suppression compared to full agonist benzodiazepines like Alprazolam. However, it is also less effective in treating severe anxiety and panic attacks. It is often considered a safer alternative with a lower potential for abuse and dependence. My least favorite together with Alprazolam
Oooooofff...this took a while, as you can see. Since you sent that message, I was typing and typing.
My favorite benzos from this list are:
- Clonazepam
- Temazepam
- Tetrazepam
You're welcome, by the way, and I also wish you a beautiful Christmas Eve!
Stay safe, Mana0909
