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Whatsapp to be banned - it's probably psychoactive :\

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I'm sick of these cunts, they actually make me want to hurl. WhatsApp I don't care much for but I've never seen such a blantent erosion of our rights...

What do we say SHM...??;)

Telegraph said:
WhatsApp is one of the most popular instant messaging apps in the world, with more than 800 million monthly active users, but controversial new legislation could see the app banned in the UK unless the company agrees to give British intelligence agencies access to encrypted comminications.

Home Secretary Theresa May has announced that a draft for a new Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act (DRIPA) will be published in the Autumn, with a view to introducing a Bill early in the New Year, or by December 2016 at the latest.

DRIPA builds on the proposals put forward in the Communications Data Bill – better known as the "Snooper's Charter" – which was first introduced to parliament in May 2012, but blocked at the last minute by the Liberal Democrats under the coalition government.

The Communications Data Bill proposed that communications service providers should store all details of online communication in the UK – including the time, duration, sender and recipient of a communication, and the location of the device from which it was made – for 12 months.

This would include, for the first time, details of messages sent on social media, webmail, voice calls over the internet and gaming, in addition to emails and phone calls.


Security services are increasingly concerned by the high levels of encryption on smartphone apps

The police, the Serious and Organised Crime Agency, the intelligence agencies and HM Revenue and Customs would all be able to access this data without the permission of a judge, as long as they are investigating a crime or protecting national security. They would also be able to see the content of any messages by obtaining a warrant from the Home Secretary.

Former Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, said the plans were unworkable because they represented a "significant reduction in personal privacy". However, the Prime Minister hinted at his desire to revive the legislation in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris earlier this year.

"In our country, do we want to allow a means of communication between people which even in extremes, with a signed warrant from the Home Secretary personally that we cannot read," David Cameron said in January.

"My answer to that question is no, we must not. If I am Prime Minister, I will make sure it is a comprehensive piece of legislation that makes sure we do not allow terrorist safe spaces to communicate with each other."

If the legislation is passed, Whatsapp, Snapchat, iMessage and other popular apps that use end-to-end encryption will be forced to hand over messages to intelligence agencies, if the sender of those messages is under suspicion. If they refuse, they could potentially be banned in the UK.

WhatsApp, in particular, has made much of its encryption software in recent months, claiming that it is almost impossible for hackers or even the company itself to read messages sent using the app. This is because its Textsecure software jumbles messages using a cryptographic key that is stored on the device the messages are sent from.

It would therefore be regarded as a major u-turn if WhatsApp was to grant access to UK law enforcement, and would potentially undermine its security claims.

However, if the government was to ban WhatsApp in the UK, it would lead to an outcry among users, many of whom have come to rely on the app for their day-to-day communications.
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The Charlie Hebdo thing was a tragedy, so they used a phone to organise it. Billions of people on the planet all using their phones to show off with, play angry birds or whatever. Some nutjobs use a phone and thats it, 24/7 surveillance on everyone's emails, calls, texts.. Utter bullshit..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...Will-WhatsApp-really-be-banned-in-the-UK.html
 
Whatsapp is owned by Facebook. Facebook will have to do the same. You may as well just bin your Apple products too because they collect as much info on you as they can.

Call me cynical, it wouldn't be the first time, but finger print recognition to access your iPhone, what's wrong with numbers?? Handing over your finger prints... :sus:

When terror cells start using hand written letters they'll probably ban paper and pens.. It's fuckin absurd.
 
One Thousand Words said:
What happens we the next atrocity is planned using the good old envelope method?
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Have you not got patients to attend to? Is it lunchtime where you are?

Do dentists take the Hippocratic Oath, what ethics in the dental profession to you subscribe to?
 
One Thousand Words said:
My minions are currently prepping my theater for surgery while I interview for a new minion in my lunch break
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Late lunch eh. What you munchin'

Please reply, because I'm really interested : Do dentists take the Hippocratic Oath, what ethics in the dental profession to you subscribe to?
 
this is not about whatsapp, although thats what most of the stories use as the hook, actually the government want to mandate backdoors in /all/ encrypted communications. that means your mobile phone calls, your email provider, every website that uses HTTPS (think amazon, ebay, facebook, any shopping site).

It is not only technologically a logistical nightmare to implement, it also means everyone is more vulnerable to being hacked and it damages security levels for everyone.

Meanwhile the badguys will continue to use strong crytpo and the government will continue to be unable to read it.

This is just another erosion of our civil rights and an extremely stupid idea.
 
Ceres said:
this is not about whatsapp, although thats what most of the stories use as the hook, actually the government want to mandate backdoors in /all/ encrypted communications. that means your mobile phone calls, your email provider, every website that uses HTTPS (think amazon, ebay, facebook, any shopping site).

It is not only technologically a logistical nightmare to implement, it also means everyone is more vulnerable to being hacked and it damages security levels for everyone.

Meanwhile the badguys will continue to use strong crytpo and the government will continue to be unable to read it.

This is just another erosion of our civil rights and an extremely stupid idea.
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1984
To be honest I thought they were able to do this now? They're ******. I know this is not very right of me but I sincerely hope that people who voted Tories get their karma.

Evey
 
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

These are the words of Benjamin Franklin and I feel those words will always reign true. It is fucked up in the wake of an unfortunate event to try to push political agenda which frequently happens in the states and is happening now over a flag while the feds once again push for more legislation over real issues. There is legislation that will probably never pass in the works to prevent people from using the likes of TOR due to the fear of criminals "going dark." I wish I had the article but you can find it easy enough.

So yeah I suppose it comes down to whether we want to live in a free country or not. The patriot act was a serious blow to American privacy. Now that there are cameras on us and our phones our tapped is it any wonder some people choose to encrypt their computer, their phone calls/texts, and use safemail over gmail. When you tape and record people everywhere they go I for one just feel like it is not right even if the said tapes are never viewed. It is just something wrong to me.

It is not surprise that a big phone company would turn over records. The NSA collects data pertaining to who calls who for how long and how many times and then who they call after and where they go and so on that it is easy enough to tie anyone to a terrorist group and their name will be on a watch list forever. I think what Edward Snowden revealed was the tip of the iceburg. It is a shame that the paper in the UK that he passed the info off to buckled under political pressure and destroyed it instead of exposing everything.

Some people take the attitude "I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide." I explained to my grandmother who constantly said that she was dead wrong. I say you know if you borrow a vicodin from my mother you are "traficking opium" and if you say it on the phone they can easily have a record. At first she did not believe me until I showed her hard evidence and then just like that she realized that she was wrong about Bush but too late just like so many people who were all "If you don't like America, get out" when the real issue was "WTF are we letting America become?" I use my grandmother as an example of an honest person who votes and commits not crimes and is an honest and decent person but is easily swayed by the likes of Fox News.

Too often the distraction story from the real story. I find whenever some bullshit legislation is going through there is always some sensationalist crap all over the news. For example when it comes to police brutality Hillary Clinton got a standing boo for saying "All lives matter" instead of "Black lives matter" as to say it detracts from their cause and in essence black people are so much more brutalized by the police that the main objective is to just worry about the crimes peprotrated against the African American citizens by police when all that does is divide people from a cause in which they should be united because the people we pay to protect us should not be shaking us down, beating us up, and murdering us and well I really think the point is asinine as to whether it happens to black people more often or not because cops kill, beat, and shake down white people too.

My whole point is we are sweating the small stuff and fighting each other and striving the be oh so politically correct when there are real issues that need to be dealt with and the public cannot afford to bicker about little issues and be to late to the game cuz they were too busy getting ready. So yeah I feel attrocities make great propaganda and well usually people wait until one happens to push their bullshit but every now and then an atrocity is commited just to cause a means of passing legislation and maybe 9/11 was an inside job and maybe it was not but regardless it forced the government to pass the most oppressive legislation since J. Edgar Hoover and Nixon with their communist witch hunt where as if you were to question them you were a communist and now if you don't go with this you are un-american yet the patriot act was unamerican by design.

Now I do realize my examples were American problems but still we have whatsapp here and well I switched my messanger app the day after I got my phone cuz I already knew as soon as text messages got big it was going to come back to bite people in the ass. I feel for the French people and their tragedy but I do no think that is ground to give police worldwide license to violate privacy and subsequently criminalize whoever the fuck they feel like because you can make anyone out as a criminal if you are the government. The NSA tracks so much shit it is not even funny and way to much to list and yet we do fuckall about it. Occupy wallstreet was a joke because well people went home. So well people will demonstrate until it is not long trendy or their are real consequences. I think the last time public protest got anything done was the Vietnam war era so this generation is weak, spoiled, and scared because they won't stand up for their rights, at least not for long enough to promote any change.

Of course we have sensationlism with people wiping their asses with American flags but wtf does that accomplish besides give America a new person to hate for the week. It is all distraction. Whenever the media is flooded with one story, you should check really hard to see if there is something actually a great deal more important going on and I bet there usually is. It is just too damn easy to distract and intimidate the American public.

So if I say "All lives matter" I can be labeled as a racist if I happen to be white and an uncle if I happen to be black. Either way it moots the point. Scaring the public into giving up their freedom is such a low blow. Likes of sensationlist media scare the shit out of old people and when the feds say to print a story, you know they do and well the real news goes back a few pages if it even makes it to the paper.

So it is a broken system and well as conscientious observers and concerned citizens we have to ask ourselves "What have I done today, to change things even if it just changing one persons mind" because if you can change or open one mind a day by the end of the year you have gotten to over 300 people and they open their eyes and help others. So I can't just get on my soapbox and piss and moan all day unless I am willing to discuss politics in an effective way to people I know never minding the consequences and it will alienate you from some people, the sheep that is.
 
You should all download KakaoTalk. Like whatsapp but with a Korean sugarsweet bubblegum popculture overhaul, including all sorts of weird noises, bright colors and the likes.
 
dopemaster said:
...I think the last time public protest got anything done was the Vietnam war era so this generation is weak, spoiled, and scared because they won't stand up for their rights, at least not for long enough to promote any change...
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Good post - but don't forget about the WTO protests and the anti-MAI movement in the late 90s - that worldwide protest actually stopped the MAI being implemented (they're now trying to bring it back worse with a different name - TPP/TTiP/TISA) - the global nature of those protests did trouble the elites; pretty much all forgotten once the new pearl harbour kicked in (as if by design...).

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This is yet another sign that this government is creeping towards overt fascism (as well as the underlying fascism encoded into our archaic establishment (before you godwin me, i mean the uncontroversial mussolini definition)). It becomes more and more reminiscient of the film Brazil or V for Vendetta all the time (i guess dystopias are difficult to notice when you're in them as they come on in very small steps, like a boiling frog)

Expanding their definition of extremist to include 'non-violent extremists' and seemingly anyone that heavily criticises the west - at the moment the emphasis of this is pointed towards muslims (which is bad enough), but the suspicion is that this can easily be applied elsewhere as needed ("first they came for the muslims, and i did nothing because i'm not a muslim...") - eg if we have a war with russia then maybe anyone who starts questioning the propaganda or watching RT will be on a list; or if a radical socialist podemos-style party came about, the leaders could be rendered for the good of the country (they already infiltrate pacifist climate protestors for fucks sake).

People don't realise how undemocratic our countries are - if there's an actual chance of a political party standing up for the people of the country against the corporate elite the authorities use all their power to stamp on it; if the economic manipulation and smearing in the controlled media isn't enough (it usually is), they'll actually start threatening coups (even under not-very-socilaist harold wilson in the 60s/70s plans were made by intelligence that a private army led by mountbatten would take over the government; also the business plot against FDR).

All around the world governments seem to be preemptively hardening up (introducing new protest laws, increasing weaponisation of the police) - it's like they realise that their capitalist system is teetering on the edge of collapse and their getting ready to take the faux-democratic gloves off to keep their power using more old-fashioned methods.
 
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