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What's with gems/minerals and people into psychdelics?

ScroogeMcDuck57

ScroogeMcDuck57

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I know several people that could be considered psychedelic enthusiasts that spend and inordinate amount of time and energy on gems and minerals. They go to conventions, they buy and sell them, they have fb pages and stores dedicated to them.

I understand people who believe in new age healing and the esoteric give a special value to crystals and stones, but I'm wondering if something else isn't going on. Is there something else going on that's subversive? Maybe tax evasion or money laundering? Or is it only that people who go to festivals for a living really like new age jewelry?
 
Some minerals and gems light up if you put them under a blacklight. They're also very beautiful.

People also claim that crystals/gems/minerals collect and store energy.

I remember when I first took LSD it happened to be a high ug/mic dose and I saw a large evergreen tree change into a giant lavender crystal obelisk and then melt, and then change back into an evergreen tree. :) <3

Maybe these people have collected gems and minerals for awhile? I have done this and I did it long before I ever used any psychedelic drugs, and I no longer trip or use anything at all, and I still collect them but I do not personally spend a lot of money on them, or go to conventions.

Or perhaps some are deadheads and got into buying/selling gems/crystals/minerals at shows as people used to do?

I've also never been out looking for them; but that would be interesting and fun to do, but I would do it with a person who knows what they're doing and the best way to find them.

I moved this to PD from homeless for you.
 
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Trip crystals :D for some reason crystals always become many times as interesting when you're tripping. Although I personally was always a rock collector, from a very young age
 
Hippies being hippies. The use of psychedelics culturally grew up in the same milieu as New Agey stuff like crystal healing, especially in the latter part of the 1970s, after which these people were a permanent fixture at the same kinds of events that psychedelics are often sold and consumed in, leading to a certain cultural crosspollination. The fact that LSD itself comes when pure in crystal form and the fact that this attracts a variety of harebrained hippie myths probably doesn't hurt either.

A late manifestation of this is "crystal wrap" jewellery, some of which is actually quite attractive, but most of which is not, and some of which is absurdly expensive, which is the hippie-gangster equivalent of "bling bling." Various claims about it directing "energy" are made but that is more spurious New Age mumbo jumbo. One can do quite a brisk business shifting these to hippies, though, as one ex-Bluelighter who used to frequent here could attest (providing he is still around ...)
 
Good question!

I personally have quite the mineral collection going. I think it started at a music festival in the summer of '14, one of the dudes we were camping with gave me a really nice chunk of green calcite. While very high on LSD, it was super beautiful to me, and since then I decided to start collecting minerals. I have a lot lying around my apartment because I think they look cool, but I often gift them to friends and family members. I think it's kind of awesome how $1-5 can buy you something that you can give to somebody, which they will then carry around for the rest of their lives (or at least until the mineral is lost or goes missing.) I've had people come up to me, 2 or 3 years after meeting them, telling me "I still remember you gave me that chunk of amethyst at that party" or "I still have that piece of Bismuth you gave me lying around.' I dunno, it's kind of a cool way to bond with people.

Gems themselves are beautiful. I dunno if you've ever had the opportunity to look at perfectly faceted cabs underneath a set of jewelers eyeglasses, head completely full of ketamine, but it is really quite an astonishing thing to see. Even if you're not on ketamine.

As far as the whole 'crystal energy' thing is concerned, I don't ascribe to it but I know people who do. I tend to think of crystal healing in the same way I think of astrology - they are both what I would call psuedoscience, and they are both fun to talk about but probably not to be taken too seriously. I try to not get too caught up in something if I can't validate it scientifically, so when New Age Girl #2029 comes and starts talking to me about the healing energy behind all my stones, I just usually laugh and shrug it off and tell them 'yeah, I dunno too much about that, I just think they look cool.' You'd be amazed how personally some people take it...
 
Thanks for moving the thread. Aesthetically, I get why people like crystals of varying kinds. Is there something else going on though? I'd heard if you're a art vendor you can carry more than 10k on you in cash. That's total hearsay though.
 
I've got friends who are convinced they harness energy. Personally I don't have much experience with experiencing energy, so I really can't comment. I've concentrated on crystals on psychedelics before though and experienced a powerful effect. I've got no idea how much of this was just the act of meditation though.
 
This seems appropriate. I find it extra funny due to a large contingency of moe.rons seem very into super heady rocks and the healing powers they possess. (especially the ones that poke fun at my going to school).

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alschnier: Rob discovers the healing power of crystals @moetheband @douchebagaward @moeperiod #FallTour.
 
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SKL said:
Hippies being hippies. The use of psychedelics culturally grew up in the same milieu as New Agey stuff like crystal healing, especially in the latter part of the 1970s, after which these people were a permanent fixture at the same kinds of events that psychedelics are often sold and consumed in, leading to a certain cultural crosspollination. The fact that LSD itself comes when pure in crystal form and the fact that this attracts a variety of harebrained hippie myths probably doesn't hurt either.

A late manifestation of this is "crystal wrap" jewellery, some of which is actually quite attractive, but most of which is not, and some of which is absurdly expensive, which is the hippie-gangster equivalent of "bling bling." Various claims about it directing "energy" are made but that is more spurious New Age mumbo jumbo. One can do quite a brisk business shifting these to hippies, though, as one ex-Bluelighter who used to frequent here could attest (providing he is still around ...)
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It's definitely "Hippy Dippy" stuff, and I risk being labeled a "wack job" for believing in the 'energetic amplifying attributes,' of these seemingly inanimate objects.The stones themselves aren't the catalyst to this energetic flow, but our mental energy direct and facilitate this flow.To connect with the energy of these crystals and minerals is the hardest thing to us to accomplish.For the average person, it would takes years of training to facilitate this relationship between our personal energetic flow and the minerals energy.Of course the majority of humankind don't believe any of this stuff, and I personally don't care what others believe. Reality is much deeper and grander than most people suspect, and psychedelics open up our mind to much more than we can grasp and accept.My advice to all psychedelic voyagers is to think for themselves, even if societal norms and science hasn't caught up with them yet.Learn how to manipulate energy, and then use that knowledge to direct their personal energy into minerals.These are our tools.This energy can be used to heal,protect,store itself for future use.Learn some basic energetic concepts like Reiki,healing touch,ritual magic, or any other energetic modality that sparks your interest.I have studied Reiki for 12 years,shamanic concepts, and direct energetic manipulation for decades.This energetic manipulation is ancient knowledge that some of us have rediscovered, and utilize, in our day to day lives.Science can't back up what I say, but science didn't believe the earth was round, or that washing hands was necessary, not that long ago.Even heavier than air flight was laughed at 150 years ago.Science has kept the human race ignorant as well as informed and is a belief system not our "end all" for knowledge.It is a two edge sword.We have to understand that science is still in it's infancy and only a few can break out of it's confining box.Einstein claimed everything is energy, and what we regard as matter is just frozen energy.I believe that as well, and also believe this energy can be disrupted, enhanced,changed, and manipulated in any way the practitioner sees fit.My whole understanding of what constitutes reality changed forever, after studying and residing with one of the last two surviving Hawaiian Ka-hunas, when I was in my early 20's.He taught me then that everything is energy and even inanimate objects have a form of life energy, that can be manipulated and connected to.It has been the blueprint of my life from that time to this day.Meditation is the key to understanding all of this, and going within and learning to connect with the gifts of nature,whether they be psychedelic gifts[Ayahuasca, psilocybin,LSD,DMT,etc.] or gifts from the mineral kingdom, will help people understand the massive amounts of energy flowing, and going completely unnoticed, by the vast majority of human kind. I will give a completely subjective example of what I trying to say: I make tools out of copper,gem powder,quartz crystals etc.I was carrying one of these tools and had ingested 7 dried grams of psilocybin.I was sailing in a remote part of the pacific northwest, and decided to take this psychedelic voyage in an area used for shamanic ritual by the Natives from ancient times to the present day.The area is tribal land and I had permission to go there.I discovered a clearing by a large laggon.This clearing had birch trees in a circle around a large blue boulder.I felt the energy eminating from this spot, and took out my energy wand and gently touched the boulder.All the trees started swaying, and the leaves rustled loudly near the tops of them.I felt a large amount of energy direct from my body to the stone, and I felt my physical energy draining.I fell down and then looked in amazement at the boulder transformed into a multi faceted light blue gemstone.Nothing like this had ever happened to me before and I don't know what the meaning of it was, but my energy, my wands energy, and the shamanic energy from all the native rituals, combined to create this showpiece for me.Was it real, and could I repeat this event.I don't know, but it was real for me that day, and reality in all it's forms is a amazement for me, and I am in awe of it.
 
Gandalfe,

Good post, paragraphs or some sort of separation might help readers.

I think you made some valid points and I think that when you said "Of course the majority of humankind don't believe any of this stuff, and I personally don't care what others believe," you hit on something very important in every facet of life. The power of belief is an amazing thing.
 
I understand what you're saying and respectfully disagree.

It's the same issue I have with people thy believe in ghosts. What are they made out of? Ghosts don't exist because they aren't made out of physical particles.

Whatever you get out of crystals or rocks is also limited to the space between your ears.

If they had some special power what is it made from? What physical material gives them power?

In lieu of any physical particle the crystal's value is entirely intrinsic
 
ScroogeMcDuck57 said:
I understand what you're saying and respectfully disagree.

It's the same issue I have with people thy believe in ghosts. What are they made out of? Ghosts don't exist because they aren't made out of physical particles.

Whatever you get out of crystals or rocks is also limited to the space between your ears.

If they had some special power what is it made from? What physical material gives them power?

In lieu of any physical particle the crystal's value is entirely intrinsic
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I would never expect anyone to believe in something they haven't experienced.I have had ghost encounters,ET contact,and general weirdness my entire life.I seem to attract strange things into my life and can't do anything about it.My Ka-Huna encounter started with hearing Clair-audience, inside my head, of a Hawaii Choir, singing in a language, I have never heard before.It got louder the closer I got to the shaman.It's like he was expecting me. The wildest Sci Fi book you have ever read, doesn't come close ,to how strange reality really is.I feel like I have just scratched the surface of it .Our brains and awareness, are hard wired, to the mundane and when something comes along to break that bond,we make something up to mask it[An Et ship become a weather balloon].We feel warm and safe in the status quo. I have never enjoyed the luxury of having a bond with the status quo. It would have been a nicer,happier life, for me if I could.
 
I have a kick ass collection of crystals. Original pieces of art created by the earth. Nothing better then hanging out with them while tripping nut sacks. They are amazing to watch and touch.
 
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