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cire113

cire113

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Here is all I know for sure…. No I can't prove it. Take a massive dose of IV DMT if you want to experience the god head.(what a massive understatement)

1) There is an intelligence/energy running the whole cosmos and universe.

2) This intelligence/energy is inside EVERYTHING that exists.

3) We are unique physical manifestations of this energy expressing itself in a multitude of ways. It expresses itself everywhere in life and nature.

4) we are really all One infinite being and connected

5) The whole universe is deep inside every human being as the true "self"

6) We were created so this energy could experience and live in the 3rd dimension of the physical. This energy cannot type on a keyboard or experience duality at its true source. Humans are the cutting edge of life and evolution of the Universe. Who's to say Evolution did not happen WITH intelligence.


DMT is much more than a drug. It is a gateway to another reality. The real reality of who we really are.

Ofcourse I cannot prove any of this. But quantum physics and string theory proves all this.


Just looking to hear from people who can relate to anything I've said. There is no right or wrong;

This is just MY truth and experience.

Peace & Love fellow divine incarnate
 
Awesome thread, cire113.

cire113 said:
Here is all I know for sure…. No I can't prove it. Take a massive dose of IV DMT if you want to experience the god head.(what a massive understatement)
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I have not yet tried DMT, but have experience with other things. Other compounds reveal the truth in different ways as well. As an old hippie friend of mine says, "they all lead to the same place," if you go far enough :)

2) This intelligence/energy is inside EVERYTHING that exists.
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Things is one of the things Salvia d. shows us, that even "inanimate" matter can harbor awareness. If we believe this to be true, we might then ask ourselves, "what does everything have in common that allows for that?" Turns out that at the subatomic level, everything, or just about everything, from a materialistic viewpoint. Perhaps all forms of matter/energy can carry awareness.

3) We are unique physical manifestations of this energy expressing itself in a multitude of ways. It expresses itself everywhere in life and nature.
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From a Christian-type viewpoint, I'd say this aligns with the "man was made in God's image" statement. It doesn't make us equal to the highest Mind, but it does give immeasurable depth to our existence that mere science cannot account for.

4) we are really all One infinite being and connected
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This seems likely, based on what I've learned from various experiences. One has to wonder why we aren't given that perspective by default, why it takes certain substances/conditions for us to see the truth.

Humans are the cutting edge of life and evolution of the Universe.
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We do not know that.

Who's to say Evolution did not happen WITH intelligence.
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I agree. There was a discussion in PD some weeks ago, and the topic steered in that direction. A veteran bluelighter was sure that there was a sort of guiding energy in the universe directing the evolutionary process. People tend to think that battle lines must be drawn in the evolution vs. creation debate, but to me, truth is truth. I adjust my beliefs as evidence comes in, and right now I believe in both evolution and creationism. The ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Peace & Love fellow divine incarnate
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Ofcourse I cannot prove any of this. But quantum physics and string theory proves all this.
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I have no problem with the rest of your post, but please reconsider this claim. Have some respect for the 10 000 physicists working hard every day. Don't rape/abuse their work to legitimate your own subjective (drug intoxicated) experience.
 
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GOD is all.

awareness? hmmmmm....

I'm not ready to buy that. Science will never--in our lifetimes--be able to prove that.

Of course that doesn't mean it is untrue.


*shrug*
 
This kind of discussion always creates language problems which dumb down the original fact.

cire, I know exactly what you're talking about, which is why I don't want to talk about it.
 
i always wanted to do DMT to see what it's like just before you die
 
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right now I believe in both evolution and creationism. The ideas are not mutually exclusive.
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hi there. while i enjoyed your other thoughts in this post, i do have to point out the problems in this sentence. i don't mean to be pedantic, but unless you are planning to redefine creationism for your own amusement and usage (which i've done myself at other times, so am not opposing) then it is not possible to make these terms cohesive. they are indeed mutually exclusive by the inherent usage of the term "creationist" it infers an automatic disregard for evolution in any sense. my old motto on here was "we place no reliance on virgin or pigeon, our method is science, our aim is religion" that is from the great demon himself, aleister crowley. and goddamned is it apropos in so many convos, this one included.

as above so below, the message is clearly the same. but i think you do a disservice to the term creationist and must abolish it in every sense unless the religious wrong forget their trademark on it too. intelligent design is also a lazy mass conscious driven fast food term, but at least it is more honest.
 
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I feel you foreigner, It seems that those who really know this in their hearts don't wanna talk about it or convince others because there is no point :)

The reason we are not born with this awareness is because awakening is the one of the greatest experiences that can happen to a human being.

You cannot wake up to the truth and reality of who you are if you already know it :)

Was just wondering if there was anyone else out there : )

For those countering my quantum physics claim, Feel Free to youtube John Hagelin, World Renowned Physicist.

My claim is actually not that crazy at all in the world of renowned quantum physicist's; They all speak of this. Anyway's its irrelevant and besides the point :)

The future is a combination of science and spirituality; they are both leading to the same awareness.

Peace
 
I like Ram Dass a lot, also from that era is Alan Watts and Carl Sagan. Thats the holy trinity.
 
@DarthMom:

The word "creationism" is loaded with more meaning than I had realized when writing my reply. The term "intelligent design" might work, but it too is probably too highly-defined to fit what I'm trying to convey.

What I meant to say is that it's possible the Supreme Being created all the conditions and properties of the known universe. Evolution is a major aspect of this, and throughout the ages it may have been "nudged" along a specific course, leading up to where we are now. That whole "creation was created in six days" claim may be understood in a different (and more reasonable) light if one considers that to God, "a day is as a thousand years," and vice-versus. Taken literally, "a thousand years" still doesn't make much sense, but I believe that it was simply given an example of how time is perceived by a being who exists outside time: it can be both infinitely long and infinitely short simultaneously.

@cire113:

Could you give us some examples of how quantum theory relates to this discussion? I'd be interested to hear them, and it might even give the skeptics something to think about :)
 
What I meant to say is that it's possible the Supreme Being created all the conditions and properties of the known universe. Evolution is a major aspect of this, and throughout the ages it may have been "nudged" along a specific course, leading up to where we are now. That whole "creation was created in six days" claim may be understood in a different (and more reasonable) light if one considers that to God, "a day is as a thousand years," and vice-versus. Taken literally, "a thousand years" still doesn't make much sense, but I believe that it was simply given an example of how time is perceived by a being who exists outside time: it can be both infinitely long and infinitely short simultaneously.
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Or even if a god doesn't "nudge", evolution can be interpreted as a moment of creation as the divine manifests, like everything else. I'm not quite saying that I have this view.

ebola
 
I have done my share of drugs over the years, but I've experienced God with out them, rather than with them.

To do it with drugs I would say is more of a; LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS (OR) WE ALL LIVE IN A YELLOW SUBMARINE.

The divine intelligence is a mystery, and takes much more than any ONE experience to even get a clue.

As for evolution, if we came from apes why are there still apes?

I have experienced drug hallucinations and its a big difference from a spiritual experience. So don't stop looking for God just look in the place where he hangs out.
 
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As for evolution, if we came from apes why are there still apes?
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Traditional evolutionary theory would posit that the human lineage came about due to a mutation which other ape species were not subjected to, a mutation that was so beneficial it gave humans a vast advantage over their competitors. I say: perhaps the Creator gave the crown of knowledge to only one species on this planet, using the principle of evolution that He created.

I can't say for certain that evolution is real, only that it seems a likely method by which to advance life.
 
Due to subjective experience being of intelligence (ones awareness) as the instrument of interpolation, so also the universe seems as intelligent or dumb as the observer. This is the fallacy of the subjective. One cannot separate their own mind from the body of the observed. Thus at times of greatest sentience, the environment mirrors ones observation. The entheogens galvanize the sleepy mind into a state of alertness and one feels finally that they have arrived in a new and aware universe. Really, just the person has had their sleepy mind awakened. The universe remains unchanged and intrepid.
 
There is no world and no self viewing it. The illusion is like a Russian doll. The biggest doll contains the universe as we 'know it', but once you step into intellectualization, you're within yet another doll inside the doll.

If you go to the theatre and watch a movie, the intellect may believe the story is real because it will identify with the story and become part of it. Or, you can simply see it as: I'm in this room and there's a picture being projected on the wall, and I paid for it, and I'm not even here. You can step back until even your story is not believable. As soon as you intellectually relate with the story, you're in another layer of illusion. Psychedelics are the exact same thing, so is anything else. Illusions within illusions. We're taught in school to intellectualize what the teacher says and the more precisely you can do it, the higher grades you get. We have been taught to value the doll inside the doll instead of seeing the biggest doll for what it is. Once we give up that kind of insight, we're asleep at the wheel.
 
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