Mental Health What to do with my daily anxiety and fear?

ovo1024

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Hi Bluelight, this is the site I visit the most and feel the most comfortable venting too. I need some advice, idk if bdd is the proper section so mods please move if this is wrong, anyways. I barely leave my house anymore, I'm constantly anxious or worried, or think someone is out to hurt me, I don't answer phone calls generally cuz I get anxious n feel awkward on the phone. But this is just beginning to be to much. My quality of life is going far down. I can't be in a relationship because doing things that most couples do like going out in public is to panicky for me.I'm a 22 year old man and can't even get a Fuckin gf it's ridiculous and I can't tell potential girls this issue they won't understand. I self medicate yes benzos help the most but they are hard to get in my area, n I know all about dependency issues but at this point I don't care. I would be open about seeing a doctor to try ssri's but everything I read is that they rarely help n have bad side effects, I tried cbt therapy before didn't help. I'm just lost. Any help would be great, I'm sorry this is so long. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you
 
do you live with your parents? have you tried to get a job?

its worth caring about your own wellbeing, you have one life to live, every day could be your last.

i personally find exercise every day to really help with my stress and anxiety levels. i jog for 30 minutes every morning, but you could start with 10 every day.

i didn't respond well to ssri's, it seems to work for a pretty small percentage of people.

finding a gf will come naturally once you are more at ease with yourself. if you cant love yourself, it would be really difficult for another healthy human being to want to be in a relationship with you.

im 22, and have not been on a proper date before, and kissed a girl once and it was a game of spin the bottle, i'm not worried about it, im just trying to enjoy life as much as i can.

this might be more suited to TDS or mental health
 
Hi ovo, sorry to hear you're struggling with anxiety. As somebody with GAD I can empathize with your struggle. I'm sure the beautiful people in the Mental Health sub-forum will be glad to give you some advice. I also see that there are several threads about anxiety on the MH feed so I would check those out as well and see if there's any advice you like. I wish you the best of luck :)

BDD ~> MH
 
Yes I live with my dad and I have tried getting a job somewhat, Its just hard when I get anxious walking to the dumpster outside to take out the trash, I can't walk the streets in the city I've lived in for 7 years now. It's horrible, I get some relief maybe once a week or so when I get some opiates or if I buy a 6 pack of beer, but we all know those are just band aids. I take benzos probably twice a month, so not often at all. I try hard to play it of like nothings wrong to my family cuz in the past I tried talking to them they think it's all made up over exaggerating bullshit blah blah. Ugh I want help :(
 
I'm really sorry to hear that your family does not recognize this as something that you need help with. That old "buck up and deal with it" mentality has never helped anyone in this much distress. Is there any way that you can get to see a counselor? I don't know what is available in Arizona but where I live you could try calling your county Mental Health Services and telling them your situation. If money is not an issue, you can skip this part and go directly to a therapist or psychologist. I know that in itself may sound extremely scary but try to push yourself just to get over the initial fear so that you can start to understand what is happening and gain some hope for changing it. I'm glad to hear that your self-medicating is not at any outrageous levels yet but beware the temptation to temporarily avoid the pain with alcohol, opiates or benzos. There is something that needs addressing that is causing so much fear. Exploring it in a safe environment is what you need. Learning rational thought strategies to combat the anxious thinking is what you need. What you don't need is a substance abuse problem from self-medicating. Congratulations on wanting to help yourself by writing about it--I know even that takes courage.<3
 
Sorry to hear that.

I had an avoidant personality disorder, here are some of the symptoms:


  • Hypersensitivity to rejection/criticism
  • Self-imposed social isolation
  • Extreme shyness or anxiety in social situations, though the person feels a strong desire for close relationships
  • Avoids physical contact because it has been associated with an unpleasant or painful stimulus
  • Feelings of inadequacy
  • Severe low self-esteem
  • Mistrust of others
  • Emotional distancing related to intimacy
  • Highly self-conscious
  • Self-critical about their problems relating to others
  • Problems in occupational functioning
  • Lonely self-perception, although others may find the relationship with them meaningful
  • Uses fantasy as a form of escapism to interrupt painful thoughts



I'm 20 and have never had a gf as well, but I don't care about that. Benzos didn't help me at all, I started stealing and forgetting everything, benzos has been my ticket into the psych ward twice. Now I've been going to therapy since March(It's my 3rd therapist, I bailed on the two first because they "didn't understand my pain"..) and I take Effexor 75mg. I'm much better now, I feel really chill around others, I don't care about what they think about me. I'm going to university this fall.


In therapy we mostly focus on cognitive behavioral therapy, here's what I've used to organize my mind:


Basic assumptions (BAs): These are the basic beliefs, core attitudes, beliefs or primary code of conduct that we have about ourselves and others. They're stable thought patterns that we interpret, analyze and classify our experiences with. These BAs may be unsuitable/negative, and then they could create major problems in life. Examples of such negative BAs might be:
The world isn't good;
Life isn't meaningful;
I'm worthless;
I can't trust others;
Everything is always my fault;
I don't deserve better and so on.


"Maxims"/Code of Conduct: Generally any simple and memorable rules or guides for living.
They're based on BAs we have about the world and ourselves. While the BAs are the core of our belief, the maxims are more related to situations, and are activated depending on what kind of situation you're in. These rules can be both negative and positive. This is connected with the BAs we have, the more negative BAs, the more negative maxims. Such rules can for example look like this:
"If someone know who I truly am, they will reject me, but if I'm anonymous and don't show my true self, I will be accepted."
"If I make mistakes people will think I'm stupid and I will be ridiculed, but if I do everything correctly I will not be criticized and ridiculed."


Automatic thoughts (ATs): When our thoughts are not clearly thought through, we call it automatic thoughts. It is the ATs that initiates our feelings and actions. The ATs are based on our past experiences/adventures. These thoughts are spontaneous and difficult to remember. Usually we remember only what we feel and not what we thought just before the emotions came. If you can find your BAs you will find your ATs (this is just my opinion). When working with these thoughts and begin to discover how thoughts, feelings and actions are interrelated, our perception will change and we can change our automatic thoughts.
Example: "Nobody cares about me"


Compensatory strategies: We maintain unsuitable BAs and maxims through compensatory strategies. These are behaviors or actions that we undertake to tackle the negative BAs or maxims. Compensatory strategies is a form of self-defense, something we do when we feel that something is attacking us and who we are.
Example: Do drugs.


Incorrect interpretations/fallacies: When studying ATs, BAs and maxims, can we consider if we think in an appropriate way or interpret incorrectly. Our most common misinterpretation or inappropriate ways of thinking are:

  • [*=1]All or nothing. World described as black or white. People are either good guys or bad. The day is good or bad, there is never a fairly good day.
    [*=1]Thinking disaster, in which all possible situations can get the worst possible outcome.
    [*=1]Generalization, where one out of a single situation draws a conclusion that this must apply to all situations.
    [*=1]Random thought inference, where you build thoughts on hasty conclusions, "before I heard the whole story I've already decided how it will end."
    [*=1]Mind Reading where one takes it for granted that we know what others think about us.
    [*=1]Emotional thinking that take feelings as evidence that something is right. "If I am afraid to use the lift then lifts dangerous"
    [*=1]Personalization, where one always thinks that negative events are your own fault, or always take on the responsibility for whe something negative happens, also things where you're not involved.


Please let me know if you got any help from my advice.


(BTW, my english isn't the best.)
 
Sorry to hear that.

I had an avoidant personality disorder, here are some of the symptoms:


  • Hypersensitivity to rejection/criticism
  • Self-imposed social isolation
  • Extreme shyness or anxiety in social situations, though the person feels a strong desire for close relationships
  • Avoids physical contact because it has been associated with an unpleasant or painful stimulus
  • Feelings of inadequacy
  • Severe low self-esteem
  • Mistrust of others
  • Emotional distancing related to intimacy
  • Highly self-conscious
  • Self-critical about their problems relating to others
  • Problems in occupational functioning
  • Lonely self-perception, although others may find the relationship with them meaningful
  • Uses fantasy as a form of escapism to interrupt painful thoughts



I'm 20 and have never had a gf as well, but I don't care about that. Benzos didn't help me at all, I started stealing and forgetting everything, benzos has been my ticket into the psych ward twice. Now I've been going to therapy since March(It's my 3rd therapist, I bailed on the two first because they "didn't understand my pain"..) and I take Effexor 75mg. I'm much better now, I feel really chill around others, I don't care about what they think about me. I'm going to university this fall.


In therapy we mostly focus on cognitive behavioral therapy, here's what I've used to organize my mind:


Basic assumptions (BAs): These are the basic beliefs, core attitudes, beliefs or primary code of conduct that we have about ourselves and others. They're stable thought patterns that we interpret, analyze and classify our experiences with. These BAs may be unsuitable/negative, and then they could create major problems in life. Examples of such negative BAs might be:
The world isn't good;
Life isn't meaningful;
I'm worthless;
I can't trust others;
Everything is always my fault;
I don't deserve better and so on.


"Maxims"/Code of Conduct: Generally any simple and memorable rules or guides for living.
They're based on BAs we have about the world and ourselves. While the BAs are the core of our belief, the maxims are more related to situations, and are activated depending on what kind of situation you're in. These rules can be both negative and positive. This is connected with the BAs we have, the more negative BAs, the more negative maxims. Such rules can for example look like this:
"If someone know who I truly am, they will reject me, but if I'm anonymous and don't show my true self, I will be accepted."
"If I make mistakes people will think I'm stupid and I will be ridiculed, but if I do everything correctly I will not be criticized and ridiculed."


Automatic thoughts (ATs): When our thoughts are not clearly thought through, we call it automatic thoughts. It is the ATs that initiates our feelings and actions. The ATs are based on our past experiences/adventures. These thoughts are spontaneous and difficult to remember. Usually we remember only what we feel and not what we thought just before the emotions came. If you can find your BAs you will find your ATs (this is just my opinion). When working with these thoughts and begin to discover how thoughts, feelings and actions are interrelated, our perception will change and we can change our automatic thoughts.
Example: "Nobody cares about me"


Compensatory strategies: We maintain unsuitable BAs and maxims through compensatory strategies. These are behaviors or actions that we undertake to tackle the negative BAs or maxims. Compensatory strategies is a form of self-defense, something we do when we feel that something is attacking us and who we are.
Example: Do drugs.


Incorrect interpretations/fallacies: When studying ATs, BAs and maxims, can we consider if we think in an appropriate way or interpret incorrectly. Our most common misinterpretation or inappropriate ways of thinking are:

  • [*=1]All or nothing. World described as black or white. People are either good guys or bad. The day is good or bad, there is never a fairly good day.
    [*=1]Thinking disaster, in which all possible situations can get the worst possible outcome.
    [*=1]Generalization, where one out of a single situation draws a conclusion that this must apply to all situations.
    [*=1]Random thought inference, where you build thoughts on hasty conclusions, "before I heard the whole story I've already decided how it will end."
    [*=1]Mind Reading where one takes it for granted that we know what others think about us.
    [*=1]Emotional thinking that take feelings as evidence that something is right. "If I am afraid to use the lift then lifts dangerous"
    [*=1]Personalization, where one always thinks that negative events are your own fault, or always take on the responsibility for whe something negative happens, also things where you're not involved.


Please let me know if you got any help from my advice.


(BTW, my english isn't the best.)

This is the best thing i ever read. Do you have GAD?
 
Sorry to hear that.

I had an avoidant personality disorder, here are some of the symptoms:


  • Hypersensitivity to rejection/criticism
  • Self-imposed social isolation
  • Extreme shyness or anxiety in social situations, though the person feels a strong desire for close relationships
  • Avoids physical contact because it has been associated with an unpleasant or painful stimulus
  • Feelings of inadequacy
  • Severe low self-esteem
  • Mistrust of others
  • Emotional distancing related to intimacy
  • Highly self-conscious
  • Self-critical about their problems relating to others
  • Problems in occupational functioning
  • Lonely self-perception, although others may find the relationship with them meaningful
  • Uses fantasy as a form of escapism to interrupt painful thoughts



I'm 20 and have never had a gf as well, but I don't care about that. Benzos didn't help me at all, I started stealing and forgetting everything, benzos has been my ticket into the psych ward twice. Now I've been going to therapy since March(It's my 3rd therapist, I bailed on the two first because they "didn't understand my pain"..) and I take Effexor 75mg. I'm much better now, I feel really chill around others, I don't care about what they think about me. I'm going to university this fall.


In therapy we mostly focus on cognitive behavioral therapy, here's what I've used to organize my mind:


Basic assumptions (BAs): These are the basic beliefs, core attitudes, beliefs or primary code of conduct that we have about ourselves and others. They're stable thought patterns that we interpret, analyze and classify our experiences with. These BAs may be unsuitable/negative, and then they could create major problems in life. Examples of such negative BAs might be:
The world isn't good;
Life isn't meaningful;
I'm worthless;
I can't trust others;
Everything is always my fault;
I don't deserve better and so on.


"Maxims"/Code of Conduct: Generally any simple and memorable rules or guides for living.
They're based on BAs we have about the world and ourselves. While the BAs are the core of our belief, the maxims are more related to situations, and are activated depending on what kind of situation you're in. These rules can be both negative and positive. This is connected with the BAs we have, the more negative BAs, the more negative maxims. Such rules can for example look like this:
"If someone know who I truly am, they will reject me, but if I'm anonymous and don't show my true self, I will be accepted."
"If I make mistakes people will think I'm stupid and I will be ridiculed, but if I do everything correctly I will not be criticized and ridiculed."


Automatic thoughts (ATs): When our thoughts are not clearly thought through, we call it automatic thoughts. It is the ATs that initiates our feelings and actions. The ATs are based on our past experiences/adventures. These thoughts are spontaneous and difficult to remember. Usually we remember only what we feel and not what we thought just before the emotions came. If you can find your BAs you will find your ATs (this is just my opinion). When working with these thoughts and begin to discover how thoughts, feelings and actions are interrelated, our perception will change and we can change our automatic thoughts.
Example: "Nobody cares about me"


Compensatory strategies: We maintain unsuitable BAs and maxims through compensatory strategies. These are behaviors or actions that we undertake to tackle the negative BAs or maxims. Compensatory strategies is a form of self-defense, something we do when we feel that something is attacking us and who we are.
Example: Do drugs.


Incorrect interpretations/fallacies: When studying ATs, BAs and maxims, can we consider if we think in an appropriate way or interpret incorrectly. Our most common misinterpretation or inappropriate ways of thinking are:

  • [*=1]All or nothing. World described as black or white. People are either good guys or bad. The day is good or bad, there is never a fairly good day.
    [*=1]Thinking disaster, in which all possible situations can get the worst possible outcome.
    [*=1]Generalization, where one out of a single situation draws a conclusion that this must apply to all situations.
    [*=1]Random thought inference, where you build thoughts on hasty conclusions, "before I heard the whole story I've already decided how it will end."
    [*=1]Mind Reading where one takes it for granted that we know what others think about us.
    [*=1]Emotional thinking that take feelings as evidence that something is right. "If I am afraid to use the lift then lifts dangerous"
    [*=1]Personalization, where one always thinks that negative events are your own fault, or always take on the responsibility for whe something negative happens, also things where you're not involved.


Please let me know if you got any help from my advice.


(BTW, my english isn't the best.)


This is extremely enlightening! I have been wondering about myself and I feel that this describes me, I can relate to almost every point. What is the treatment for this disorder? Therapy, I'm assuming + pharmaceuticals?
 
Indeed, and that's how we all are at some point or another. I remember having a lot of issues in my 20's and sometimes the world is falling apart and nothing seems to help.
It does not mean we are necessarily mentally sick or that we are all of that all the time for our entire life.
We grow older and some of these beliefs become easier to cope others more difficult.
I believe therapy works well but it does not cover everything. Drugs will masquerade some of the problems but not for long.
I guess we have to keep trying different approaches and with time realizing that some of the rejection or ways we see life changes.
 
I barely leave my house anymore, I'm constantly anxious or worried, or think someone is out to hurt me, I don't answer phone calls generally cuz I get anxious n feel awkward on the phone. But this is just beginning to be to much. My quality of life is going far down. I can't be in a relationship because doing things that most couples do like going out in public is to panicky for me.I'm a 22 year old man and can't even get a Fuckin gf it's ridiculous and I can't tell potential girls this issue they won't understand.

I sense some fire in your words. Nurture that fire. Use it to move forwards. Don't dwell on what your body is saying to you.. if your body is being anxious or whatever that's positive, it's working and following the commands of the brain afterall, so be happy your body works (despite how annoying it may feel mentally). Don't put pressure on yourself about the gf thing.. I mean it's good you're wanting it though.. use that to drive you forwards, but don't beat yourself up so much about it.
 
Hi ovo1024, I totally relate to your symptoms. I also have a drug resistant chronic depressive disorder. I have been battling this on & off since age 13. Untreated until age 33. (Except my own prescription of alcohol & street drugs) BENZO'S will become less & less effective but you could find yourself with a dependence non the less. I only use them in an extreme emergency. That way they have maximum benefit for me. You said you tried cbt but no success? Hope you are using the skills anyway, they take time. It is often not the quick fix we want. There isn't one my friend. But I had/have great success from DBT. (Dialectic Behavioural Therapy) originally designed for Borderline Personality Disorder but they realized it could help other things. I was the guinea pig here after begging them to let me in. It changed my life. I highly recommend seeing if it might be of use to you. I hope so. I won't pretend it is easy because it's not. You would get out of it exactly how much you are willing to push yourself to put into it. And it takes a total commitment. I had to get myself there which by far was the hardest part as you well know. I got up hours earlier so I would have the time to go thru my usual anxiety/rituals to leave my condo. And at the time I felt that if I did not succeed I would not have a future.
I believe those of us that suffer from crippling anxiety & depression are actually extremely strong people. We have to be. Our survival depends on it.
You are stronger than you give yourself credit for. Every time you succeed & leave your home you are a winner! And you have fought a battle that most people cannot even fathom. So give yourself credit. Remind yourself the next time you are trying of your successes.
I believe in you.
Are there any support groups available in your area? (Prime meeting places for potential partners??? Only not someone with the same issues!!)
You will be in my thoughts.
 
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