I normally find that tar is not all that great. Rarely I get a really great hit but it's usually when I haven't used in awhile or when I am sick. I have a had a few chances to get a hold of the white powder or other powder (not made from tar) but it never has come through. On very few occasions I've had a hit of tar that had a rush as decent as the D and it lasted and everything. Which is what I don't like about the D. The M/4's are fine but they don't compare to the palladone which lasted about 6hours of nodding and a much greater rush... but anyway... Is the tar like the shit version of H ? is the powder where the real quality is at?