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Hey bluelight, got a story for you and I was wonderin' if you could help me out.

So this girl I've known for years may be having E issues. (I think) Just to get this out of the way, we have known each other for years. Shes my best friend.

A long time ago I tried MDMA and we had a huge argument over it when she found out. She was totally against hard drugs (She smokes weed, drinks and has done shrooms before.) I had to swear to her that I would never roll again. Then not too long ago I found out that she took caps and she came up too me and apologized for the fight we had and that she loved it etc. Because of that I didn't have to abide by our promise and I have done it since then with safe smart breaks in between.

Here's where it starts going downhill. We were blazing one day and I found out she had done it 2 more times after that. And in a one week period. I of course told her to settle down with that shit and told her that you had to take 3-4 week breaks or even more in between rolling. Long story short. She's done it a lot more times since then. Last time I saw her she was juiced and complaining about wanting to do it more and even admitted she did it last weekend behind her boyfriends back after promising to not do it for at least a month. She won't listen to anyone and doesn't understand the break concept. What do bluelight?
 
... and the question remains, is she testing her shit? I mean even doing clean pills that often is a NO, NO! I am surprised she's not turned off by the lethargic after effects. I am pretty sure she will lose the magic and stop then. I am not sure how physically addicting E is, but once it loses its magic there's nothing you can do?
 
nwofoxhound said:
... and the question remains, is she testing her shit? I mean even doing clean pills that often is a NO, NO! I am surprised she's not turned off by the lethargic after effects. I am pretty sure she will lose the magic and stop then. I am not sure how physically addicting E is, but once it loses its magic there's nothing you can do?
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Well I know my shit, her other friend gets if for her but who she gets it from is beyond me. And because of that, the fact that whether its clean or not is also beyond me. I can 100% she doesn't test shit all.
 
pill testing means nothing here. It's not the concern that needs to be addressed. She is honeymooning. I think the only way to really get through is to make it clear that MDMA will NOT be fun anymore if she continues to abuse it. Otherwise, you can be a good friend and be there for her when she crashes from abuse. Piracetam some claim can help act as a neuroprotectant against MDMA's neurotoxicity and reduce the hangover (I can attest to this personally), and 5htp after the roll some people claim helps with the hangover.
 
give her lecture on not waiting at least 4 weeks between usage. If she doesn't stop then be prepared to give the I told you so speech
 
its healthy to be concerned. just dont try and control her, or her use. let her do what she wants. if you dont approve of her use, its kinda your problem. just be her friend no matter what.

in my experience, the more you nag some one about theyre use. the more they tend to want to push you away. so thats why i say, the best way to stay close to her, is to just remain neutral. that way when the time comes that she is done with her "honey moon phase," you two will still be on good terms.

some times when you really love something, you have to let it do its own thing, ya know?
 
Not trying to be rude, but it's her choice. As a friend, you can suggest that not roll so often, but it is still her decision. Also, the fact that she was guilt tripping you about trying MDMA is a shitty thing to do.

You could try to educate her about using responsibly? Or buy her a test kit ;)
 
My boyfriend uses it often as well. Not quite as often ... but he's been using it for a longer time (probably a couple of years). I just got into it a few months ago. Anyway, he wants to go to this club like every week where we do m. I try and tell him a specific day when we'll go and that we have to wait until that day so it will be sooo much better. Like we're waiting til just before Christmas so we can celebrate by going there. So we should be sober for a month (well he's done a couple other drugs but that is not really related). I just try to hype him up about a future event and say that we just have to wait for then.

I would say give her resources that say it is best to not do it that often. Like here.
 
If you're looking for a weak spot in her defenses, it's the hiding. Ask her why she's hiding her usage. The obvious answer is, she knows it's wrong, that too much is bad for her & if others see how much she's doing it they'll start to pressure her to cut down. She doesn't want to cut down & she also doesn't want to be reminded of what she already knows when she lets herself admit it, so she hides it.

Don't be judgmental, be supportive. Tell her she can come to you & talk about it when she feels the urge to roll. It'll make her accountable to someone without feeling the kind of pressure that makes her want to hide what she's doing.

And while you're at it, it won't hurt to point out that it's a game of diminishing rewards if she keeps on rolling all the time. It won't be something special, it'll just be an everyday feeling. It's easy to lose the magic & hard to get it back once it's lost. Good luck!
 
She did it again, did 3 caps and barely felt anything. Sounds like shes losing the magic eh guys?
 
she hasnt being doing it for that long, it takes a long time of abuse to lose the magic if you ask me... the caps were probably sht...
 
You can't really decide how often another person will use drugs. Maybe this is something that she has to go through. Maybe she'll burnout, or maybe she will have no major consequences, who knows?

It can sometimes be helpful to share information or own personal experience, but if somebody is going to do what they want, then that's what they will do.
 
Its definitely not good for her. But clean MDMA, it kind of becomes pointless to binge on when your out of serotonin....Now eating beans made of meth.... You could do that for days on end....

The thing to make her sure of is that she will likely feel depressed and take drugs to stop being depressed, and its a cycle from there. And that is how you rationalize an ecstasy binge, or at least she might.
 
sounds like a teenager who loves to party.
give it a few months and she will smarten up
once she realizes she got no spinal fluid left, thats when she will quit.
hopefully it isnt to late then
 
This may or may not help but I didn't try MDMA until quite late (compared to my friends that is) but once I did I could see why and how somebody would want to take it everyday given the chance. That fantastic feeling is just too good.

Three years down the line and I’m dealing with depression, I’m not saying this is to do with the MDMA use at all, but I am being very careful about using drugs to lift my mood.

You know her better then anyone else so you'd know if she’s feeling low, just be careful not to nag her too much or she'll just end up going behind your back and doing it anyway.
BUT above all she’s her own person and if she refuses to listen to you it’s her own fault in the end, you’ve expressed your concern and besides tying her to the bed (and I’m guessing her boyfriend wont approve) there’s not mush more you can do.
 
No serotonin left? No spinal fluid? C'mon now lol. I don't care how much MDMA you use, you will still have serotonin. One German study found that recreational MDMA users showed a 4-5% decrease in serotonin levels, which returned to normal after 3 months.

So yeah I understand there is debate on just how much MDMA has an impact on the serotonin system...but it isn't helpful for us to be telling ourselves that it completely depletes an essential neurotransmitter.
 
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No serotonin left? No spinal fluid? C'mon now lol. I don't care how much MDMA you use, you will still have serotonin. One German study found that recreational MDMA users showed a 4-5% in serotonin levels, which returned to normal after 3 months.

So yeah I understand there is debate on just how much MDMA has an impact on the serotonin system...but it isn't helpful for us to be telling ourselves that it completely depletes an essential neurotransmitter.
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4-5% of what is considered "normal"? while that may not be all of it, its a vast majority of it.

To imply that "all" of it was gone, you would have to make an argument that your body just stops producing it. Granted, the MDMA experience may use up a bunch of it, your body produces more... Its not a fast process, but its one that is happening all the time.
 
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