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Gabapentinoids What drugs are good to help cold Turkey withdrawal of gbl?

JoshLobbs

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I have a friend who is addicted to gbl and he wants to quit but he wont taper off. I know that's dumb af and I have told him so, and to go to the doctor for help but he wont. He tried to come off cold Turkey before but he had to stop because after a week he was having dejavus every couple of minutes, I believe it was absence seizures.

I was wondering if there were any drugs that would help with the seizures and the other symptoms of withdrawal that he could take with little risk of developing dependencie?
 
Phenibut works very well, I used it to come off of GHB/1,4-butanediol both times I got addicted to it, and it prevented withdrawal. I then had to come off of phenibut but it is easier to come off of. But still should be tapered.
 
Phenibut is a little better since it's a strong GABA-B agonist like GHB is, in addition to a gabapentinoid. But pregabalin would probably do a pretty good job too. Phenibut is also easier to taper off of than pregabalin.
 
I have a friend who is addicted to gbl and he wants to quit but he wont taper off. I know that's dumb af and I have told him so, and to go to the doctor for help but he wont. He tried to come off cold Turkey before but he had to stop because after a week he was having dejavus every couple of minutes, I believe it was absence seizures.

I was wondering if there were any drugs that would help with the seizures and the other symptoms of withdrawal that he could take with little risk of developing dependencie?
They're saying to use Diazepam and Baclofen together.

It won't let me post the NHS link for some strange reason.

" Detoxification Plan The onset of withdrawal symptoms can range from 30 minutes to a few hours. It is important to prevent the development of withdrawal delirium rather than waiting for the full symptoms of withdrawal to start. Please note that the withdrawal medication regimen below is a standard regimen and depending on the amount of GBH / GBL the length of the regimen may be altered. Prior to the commencement of a GHB / GBL detoxification clients should sign the contract and consent form (Appendix 2). They should also be issued with the information sheet for clients undergoing a GHB / GBL detox (Appendix 6). Table 1 – GHB / GBL Withdrawal Medication Regimen Day of Treatment Time of observation and treatment (T1 is 1 hour after last time of usage; T2 is 2 hours after last time of usage; etc.) 1 T1 observations, diazepam 10-20mg (10mg standard dosage, 20mg if agitated) T2 observations, diazepam 10-20mg, baclofen 10mg T4 observations, diazepam 10mg PRN (if symptomatic) Please issue diazepam 3x10mg to be taken PRN at T6, T8 and T14 (if symptomatic) and 2x10mg baclofen to be taken at T8 and T14 Observations (temperature, pulse, blood pressure, mental state examination, alcohol withdrawal scales) to be taken at T1, T2, T4. Generally maximum dosage on Day 1 is diazepam 100mg and baclofen 30mg 2 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 10-20mg qds Baclofen 10mg tds 3 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 10-20mg tds Baclofen 10mg tds 4 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 10-20mg tds Baclofen 10mg tds 5 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 5-10mg tds Baclofen 10mg tds 6 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 5-10mg bd Baclofen 10mg bd 7 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 5-10mg od 9 MANAGEMENT AND DETOXIFICATION FOR GHB AND GBL GUIDELINES: PHA61: AUG 2019 Baclofen 10mg od 8 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 5-10mg od 9 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 5-10mg od 10 Take observations as in Day 1 Diazepam 5-10mg od There is no GHB / GBL withdrawal scale but as the withdrawals are similar to alcohol withdrawals in the early stages then the Clinical Institute Withdrawal Assessment for Alcohol Scale (CIWA-AR) can be used (please see Appendix 7). In severe withdrawals urgent transfer to hospital will be necessary. However the following medications may be useful. Table 2 – Adjunctive Medications Diarrhoea Loperamide (4mg initially followed by 2mg after each loose stool [max 16mg daily]) Nausea and Vomiting Domperidone 10mg tablets, maximum 30mg in 24 hours Pain Paracetamol 500mg-1g qds 10. Additional Support It should be remembered that the above treatment is the pharmacological treatment for the withdrawal symptoms but as with all substance misuse treatment there is the need for psychosocial interventions. As part of an individual’s treatment plan there will be psychosocial support in the form of motivational interviewing, the use of individual and group sessions, mutual aid organisations and relapse prevention work. Clients need to be made aware of the risk of decreased tolerance following a detoxification and a careful aftercare plan is critical. As part of the aftercare clients need to be made aware of relapse triggers and cues for relapse. Referrals may also need to be made to other services to support with underlying or additional needs. Clients need to be informed that following GHB / GBL usage clients can experience insomnia, anxiety and loss of appetite for weeks to months following the detox. "
 
Seeing as how phenibut isn't an approved prescription medication in the US (though it is in Russia), it makes sense a doctor would say that, but honestly phenibut is the best choice as it will totally block withdrawal (benzos don't even share any of the same receptor activation profile as GHB/GBL), and is much easier to get off of than benzos.
 
Baclofen worked perfect for me, didn't eve need diazepam!
 
Hey there

Well its an old thread, but as me and my friends have had long time (me about 2 years, some 10+ years) on and off ghb/gbl usage or lifestyle or how its better to say it lol, we have been working out totally painless and easiest way to come off from it without eaven tapering eaven anything. All you need is about liter of vodka and some benzos(talking about long acting benzos like valium or klonopin/rivotril.. basicly every benzo help though but how many you need of them, depends on half life and how strong it is. But can come off with every benzo)

Well best is to make last day of gbl shot at start of weekend. After you take your last shot, whatever it is: 1,5. 2ml or eaven 3ml, you must have it as your totally last dose, whatever amount g is left, pour it to toilet or give it to someone, so you dont have any acess to it to have another shot after lastone. This thing basicly impossible to let go if the bottle still around.

So, you have taken the last shot. Lets say at friday eavning about 6pm. After that you trying to stay so calm as possible and when you feel the withdrawal come slightly in, you will take a shot of vodka. Takes illness away 100%. Drink the vodka so much, as it makes you feel allright and just away from withdrawals. The amount your body asks for vodka depends on how long have you been taking g straight. So if you have like more than 2 months of binge behind, you may need maybe a half liter of more vodka just in case.

Lets say now, its already 10-11pm. Its been more than 4 hours past your last shot of g. Now its time to take your first benzos. (Id say if you use klono/rivo, take 2mg, valium 20mg or xaxax 2mg)
The point of it is to make you basicly knock down to sleep with a benzo.
And I have to say, you wont get to sleep with only benzo after G dependence. You will need also alcohol 100% after that last shot of G. Also the benzo only wont work at all about 5 hours after last g shot, and it wont eliminate all the withdrawals alone(well it eliminates most serious though: seizures, panic attacks, delirium). You will need mix of alcohol and benzos to get completely free of withdrawals!
Continue also with alcohol shots, when needed till you fall asleep.

Allright. Now you wake up, saturday . Feeling drunk still from mix of alco and benzos. Now its your deside, how you will take your day. If you want to just chill, then continue with alcohol shots, as i explaimed before. Only when you feel withdrawal. Lateron at bed time, take a benzo again to get to sleep.
For me, i usually take another benzo and one shot of alcohol straight after I wake, and will sleep till wake up hours later again, then a shot of alco again and back to sleep. And I gonna do it till monday morning basicly if i have to go to work lol. Sleeping is the key.

Now it is monday morning. The most worst time of withdrawal, what from my experience is 3 days, is over. But the game is still on, so from now, you only continue with benzos. The smart way is to take 25% lower amount of benzo now(allthough i took still much without tapering). You should feel very allright and absolutely no withdrawals, still high from benzo though lol, but example as you at work, and someone sees you are dizzy and start to ask something, just answer that you had long weekend or someones birthday or whatever. I guess its always fine to be a hard monday guy lol.
After work at eavning you should feel fine to go to sleep without alcohol or anything more. If not then take as little as possible.

The days after, take only benzo, lower the amount like 15-25% per day.
It is very important, that you are off from benzos after 7-10 days. Otherwise you can end in the more deeper hole. You dont want that!

After that, concratz! You got off from brutal G dependence and can go on with a sober life. First couple weeks of it feels boring as fuck, but you will get back to normal ;)

PS: I am no doctor or wont say its healthy way to get off from it, or whatever. Its very dangerous to mix alco with benzos example and so on. Its just the way what we tried and it worked out as a charm. Shittest thing finding it out though, is that: Now i know the remedy of that nasty and deadly comedown, why not to start again, because its so fun and I feel no limits! Life is going up again, having all these girls and "vida loca" again and so on.
But its a very slippery road, sooner or later surprises are coming and you will loose much because of this lifestyle.. Everybody has lost.

I have tried other stuff to come off from G before that aswell. Example phenibut. Basicly just changed G to Phenibut and from my compinion, the withdrawal is similar, but coming off phenibut takes eaven longer, eaven though its longer acting and more comfortable to taper. But its not cure to change one from another.

As I was saying, I am not a doctor, but this alco/benzo version is just been easiest and fastest, whats really work coming off from dependence. But the psychical craving will stay. That is up to us, to work on that thing with disipline and our mind to keep us clean and live naturally fully life.
For me example, i have done with all dependences from substances (much more than G) , but devil on the shoulder still havent left years later, i still sometimes using abit phenybut at weekend, same as G, light alcohol with benzos and so on, well it happens about once per 1-2 months maybe. But still its a monster inside waiting and wanting to grow some times.

Anyways, Im sorry for spelling and english mistakes, as im not nationally english speaking, maybe some offtopic aswell. And thanks for the people who had time to read my post.


All the best and stay safe!
 
I'm with Phenibut if you have a steady source and Baclofen, again that alcohol option doesn't look bad if it works and
it depends how long was friend on it and what else, and age health all those stuff?? are a huge factor
I was HC GBL addict 4-5 years ago and sometimes with converting with NaOH to GHB apparently, friend was doing at that time the conversion as I was working like 12 hours and on my house when I found strength read: stims, so a 18 month to a 2 year and they gave me mirtazapine and xanax xr I think, first diazepam, then I was in obviously in not a good state or apathetic- I pushed always to Pregabalin but they tried to give me all: fluoxetine, Venlafaxine-2 year and withdrawal was not that hell cause it gave me mental state to battle or taper what was in one moment 8 meds, I put small piece of buprenorphine like sublingual and I was like: this is the motherfucker of all things I see the world it makes sense so in that time they put me on trams for ACL, so the guy who was my source and good person despite his circumstances cause he said to me try to say that for those trams (I hated them at that time maybe because of the similarity to Venlafaxine), to say that you are in abstinence and he vanished like wtf but then I saw something in my psych still today and said her what was what and that I lost contact for bupe and from 2013. here using was not criminal and bupe is covered by insurance like all the other meds.
But benzos bacem culprit and honeymoon buprenorphine period was over I was even at 16mg, it was a battle but I never f...with meds so the psych saw that she has trust in me and then she gave me 900mg Pregabalin which made stability to me at least( but now here as pregabs are covered and they are not stigmatized cause people even most docs which are not specialist neuro or psychs. think of it as neuropathy medicine and I tapered all the benzos and at that and now I'm back to 2mg or 1mg, have 600mg Pregabalin but now with Concerta or Vigifinil.
So I was couple times playing with Phenibut and GBL-twice never more then 2 weeks so withdrawals were with bupe and pregabs almost non existant and I can get diazepam or lorazepam as needed.

Alcohol is just I can't imagine I once downed a bottle of I think Jamieson for me alcohol made even worse and I once tried benzo and alcohol and was not even asleep good but that's cause my liver has issues with alcohol cause I was drinking like 4 days in a week drunk sometimes about 12 years ago for a year or two!
( tried it twice from some I found that like surfing 2 days from Indian pharm) it was similar ti gbl but only med which I'm like here siting watching tv and then I wake up later wtf?? but it helped cause pregabalin is not the same at least for me again it is better then benzos for sure and I live normally somehow maybe my body is pregabalin tolerant!
Phenibut also puts me in the wild manic phase so I just stop or not order for a while, like I have fun and that's it I guess again being grown up, responsible (I try to) and tired just makes all those stuff go away!
 
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