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Misc What could be considered the safest stim?

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Berdo tm1

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I have tried some rcs that definitely feel clean but there is a big quesiotn mark as to their potential damage. ie the 2fas.

Oldschool speed has the worst comedown but its like the old war horse that has been around the block it has a good lots of research behind it.

modafinil sounds like a good contender but even that hasnt been on the block that long so there is no knowledge of long term issues.

I guess my mian two criteria are- least negative side effects and good body of research bhind it. So far Ive found you cant have it both ways--ie old amp has aweful side effects but well studies, whereas its flourinated counterparts have less side effects, much nicer half life but no research.

Maybe moda is kind of straddling the fence between the two?

there is kratom but the risk of physical addiction has made me too scared to try. seems safe physically but the physical addiciton thing has scared me off being an opiate.

Any others candidtates? I think that there wont be anything i havent heard of now because even if there are if i havnet heard of it then it must be obscure and hard to come by thus pointless me knowing about it.

In hindsight i did used to take raging recreational doses of amp back in the day (never meth just base speed) however i used to feel like shit even when there was only a little bit in E pills so I suspect that you cant get around that with amp, i hear good things on dexedrine but again that is hard to come by thus irrelevant.

Thoughts?
 
MDMA.. Definitely. It is one of the most well tolerated stims and it is definitely one of the safest in the terms of toxicity. It is pretty hard to overdose on, lots of studies have shown no damage to the brain even with prolonged use and it isn't known to cause any physical harm besides if you are on any medications that increase production of serotonin.. since if you are (SSRI, 5HTP as examples) you can give yourself serotonin syndrome. Also I wouldn't suggest using it if you have heart conditions like any other stimulant. Overall, MDMA has quite a bit of information on it and the only real risks are serotonin syndrome and overheating/dehydration. If you stay hydrated.. and pay attention to how hot you're getting (so don't dance in a crowd for 10 hours is what I'm saying) just be logical about it and you should be fine.

Next in line would probably be dextroamphetamine.. but problem is.. only in low doses. It's relatively safe .. well all amps are.. but only in small doses.. for recreation, like you said they'll make you feel like shit and they can be very dangerous because of the risk of stroke and heart issues.

Hope this helps :)
 
well i rally hate mdma and anything else that boost serotonin tbh, but have loved my dopamine stims! I am a workaholic so love clear headed performance enhancement.
 
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adderall or vyvanse would be your best bet

I prefer adderall IR
 
a lot of people say dexedrine has the least side effects. Your not going to find one that has no side effects though.
 
the safest stim..that's a gray area, none of them are safe when abused. as far as less side effects and less hypertensive side effects. I would say methamphetamine, orally. dextroamphetamine is 3/4 as potent as meth, and a very smooth stim without the horrible side effects, methamphetamine is a cleaner and smoother version of dextroamp, and has a longer half life. considering the meth isn't contaminated and in its pure form, like desoxyn for example..

yes, Dexedrine has the least side effects out of all the RX stims except Desoxyn (methamphetamine tablets), Adderall s a combo of 75% dextroamp, and 25% levo-amp(this is responsible for the side effects, horrible crash, hypertension, etc) but don't get too excited, people get very upset when switching to Dexedrine at first, because it feels like u didn't even take speed, it just doesn't exert energy and scalp tingling sensations like Adderall, or the need to clean the whole house, its a very calm smooth high, but trust me u can have HORRIBLE side effects and CRASHES even with D-amp with repeated use.
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a lot of people say dexedrine has the least side effects. Your not going to find one that has no side effects though.
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all this talk of meth and prescription amps are out of the question for me in the uk anyway. all we have is just tons and tons of amphetamine 'paste/base' whatever the fuck that is, dont know i heard its amp sulphate. strong but terrible crash.

for anyone whos tried 2/fa and dexedrine how do the two compare in terms of lack of side effects they sound very similar? Tho i guess im just teasing myself by asking since i cant get it.

Also i hate long half lifes so i would not want something like meth, i want to be able to sleep the same night and preferebly just a 4-6 hour jaunt max. Loved how 2fa was only a cpl hours so you could easily control your 'high time' and redosing worked a treat.

kratom sounds to have least side effects for occasional use but ive never run the gamut with physically addictive substances before so dont really know what id be getting into. well i have had benzoes a few times for comedowns but never found them recreational so had no desire to abuse, even then i got 'worried' knowing they were physically addictive, probably kept myself awake from the worry of taking them!
 
you cant really have your cake and eat it too

you want a stim that is highly effective yet comes with a short duration?

maybe youve heard of cocaine?

except that's not exactly going to help your situation unless your job is to get kicked out of bars

never tried the speed paste but ive heard it leaves a lot to be desired

kratom is not a stim

honestly, Adderall IR probably fits your criteria the best but if they dont have it in the UK well idk what to say
 
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Caffeine.
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No, just no.

Tried it again recently. each time i do i get about 20 mins of mild excitement followed by 5 hours of feeling like someone is aorund every corner trying to kill me.

Tried all different doses and there is no therapeutic dose imo. not enough and no effect felt, as soon as I took enough for an effect its straight into panic's ville.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
all this talk of meth and prescription amps are out of the question for me in the uk anyway. all we have is just tons and tons of amphetamine 'paste/base' whatever the fuck that is, dont know i heard its amp sulphate. strong but terrible crash.
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yep, it's amphetamine sulphate. but if you think it's strong and causes a terrible crash, you're dosing too high. ime, once you get out of the honeymoon phase (strong euphoric effects, negligible side effects and no crash at all), you can choose between dosing high, getting good effects with a nice euphoria, or you can dose lower to just get just the energy, concentration and clear head with just a little euphoria but with no crash.
 
What is the safest recently mopped floor to step across? What's the safest handgun to fire? What's the safest vehicle to operate?

The safety or danger of using drug X is contingent on the extent to which a user of drug X prioritizes safety and caution and knowledge of drug X, insofar as drug X is not a toxin or poisonous.

That is, if you're impetuous, callous, ill-informed, misinformed, etc., then it may be argued that no drug is safe for you to use. Even caffeine is deadly to dummies.
 
I haven't seen 4-FA discussed here; I'm fairly new to most all stims, what do y'all know about any potential toxicity with it, say in comparison to dextroamphetimine or pure amphetimine? From what I've read, it seems less neurotoxic than most all of it's cousins, certainly other fluro amps. Could anyone expand on this? I'm really interested in trying stims besides coffee (shit makes me paranoid too man, like an unnamed evil is around the corner...) and since my would be RX amp connect is gone till fall, I'm tempted to try out some 4-FA.
 
4-FA is not a straight stimulant. At 80-100mg it is extremely euphoric. pupil dilation teeth grinding. 30-40mg where more functional but still more of a high so to speak. Not just straight NDRI or DRA or NDRA. certainly more toxic than ------
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But for that functional lifelong addiction I recommend MDPV, a-PVP, hell even a-PHP seems like a hooker
 
tamarinds said:
4-FA is not a straight stimulant. At 80-100mg it is extremely euphoric. pupil dilation teeth grinding. 30-40mg where more functional but still more of a high so to speak. Not just straight NDRI or DRA or NDRA. certainly more toxic than ------
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But for that functional lifelong addiction I recommend MDPV, a-PVP, hell even a-PHP seems like a hooker
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Certainly more toxic than.... What?

So are the other fluro amps similar to 4-FA in that way then? To be honest, it's the euphoria I likely crave more, and in that vein I don't plan on making a habit of stims. I just want something for weekend fun that I needn't worry will harm me (which it sounds like 4-FA could?). Easier said than done. Normally I'm more of a psych user because I trust their safety but I'm craving a change of pace.
 
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