Opioids WD two weeks later??

[.t.o.x.i.k.t.h.i.n.k]

I apologize if this has been asked before, I did a search and didn't quite find what I was looking for... I also apologize for my impossibly annoying username, making a new acct ASAP. I think I last posted like a good 10yrs ago, yeesh!

Anyway, I've been a consistent opiate user for about 5 years now with a few breaks here and there. For whatever reason it's always been pretty easy for me to just stop. I think I've taken that seriously for granted because in retrospect (it's a bitch ain't it?) I should've just stayed, stopped. I even took almost all of 2013 off. Go me! Yeah, except as soon as I moved back to where all my hookups were I of course felt the need to use again. Fast forward to now, it's been about 9 months of steady use and I've tried to quit a few times and have the absolute worst WD. So I just say fuck it, call up my dude and get some more. 4th of July wknd he went MIA and I haven't had any since. Blessing in disguise I suppose.

Needless to say I'm am now officially 2 weeks off Roxy and oxy. Day time isn't so bad as I have a pretty demanding job and don't have a choice but to stay focused on that. It's night time that fucks with me. The first two days I could only describe what feels like torture as I'm sure all of you are well versed. I couldn't handle it anymore, so I stole as much morphine pills as possible without it being too noticeable from my roommate. They're shit but they did help me sleep at night so I guess that's something. Anyway it's been a few days now that I haven't taken anything at all not even to sleep (except OTC zzzquil and Tylenol PMs). I felt pretty much fine until yesterday. Having super fucked up withdrawals that feels like all that shit that you read about.

My question is - is it weird at all that I'm just now experiencing these WD symptoms two weeks after my last time? It's been oddly easy up until the last 24hrs. Sorry to write a novel here, I literally have no one to dump all this shit on.

Thanks

 

[Smoky]

I am about a month off, and still don't sleep very well, but it's slowly getting better. My blood pressure would spike at night which kept me up... I think as that's when most of the opiates were usually accumulated in my system... So my body/brain expects the drugs at night time. I was on roxy/oxy/H. There is something called rebound symptoms you might be experiencing, although if you took some other opiates to help with the withdrawal that could just be a setback. I once quit then took some pills a week, 2 out and my symptoms came back... not as bad but felt like a second withdrawal hitting me.

Clonidine helped me tremendously and the otc stuff you mention. Hang in there! Good luck. I'm still coming out of the woods myself... I thought I was truly going to die in my sleep. Not that I was sleeping, hah!

 

[.t.o.x.i.k.t.h.i.n.k]

Yeah definitely makes sense. I suppose that's an addict way of thinking I've got there "morphine doesn't count bc it's not as strong and is only to help me sleep".. HA! Thanks for the reply Smoky, I'm doing this alone and having to hide in plain sight. It's a bitch, to say the least. I don't have the luxury of being able to take a week or so off to just deal with it. Meh...

 

[Smoky]

I hear ya ... I had 4 jobs coming up so just quit and couldn't take time off. I was on Bluelight alot as every minute was hell... At least you are off your main docs, even if you used something to withdraw... No time is lost ... and it's still progress... I took a methadone pill 3rd day and it set me back, but withdrawals didn't continue as badly as after that, and it helped somewhat.

Good luck on your journey forward...

 

[KHHY]

Argh I'm trying to sleep. My limbs are in so much pain. It's lucky I'm a state away from anything but every inch of me wants to call my hookup as soon as I'm back in town on Friday. I'm trying not to... Stupid question but, can you OD on zzzquil? Haha!

Oh, this is .t.o.x.k.t.h.i.n.k btw - new acct. *waves* meehhhhh

 

[tacodude]

What's the active ingredient in your cough syrup. If it has anything more than dxm ie : guasifin or acemitophin. My spelling sucks. Honestly when I had minor w/d taking it as directed helped... I couldn't imagine using too much during w/d. 20 mg I think is standard dxm dose.

Reactivating the receptors will only make things worse in a sense while of course raising pain levels with possible injury is the other issue.... It's just one you have control over. Dxm will activate the receptors lightly remember that.

 

[Smoky]

How is today?
How about Imodium? Not that you are not already taking it, but taking higher levels than suggested can help with other symptoms aside what it is usually taken for... It doesn't cross the bbb but, it still helps somewhat... Also, lots of b6, magnesium, IBP's...

 

[KHHY]

I'm even worse today. So weak and in and out of the bathroom every 2min. I'm not taking cough syrup, just zzzquil which only has antihistamine in it to help you sleep. Taking Imodium today and it isn't seeming to help..

 

[drewbocop]

Just thought I'd mention you should avoid all those products that contain diphenhydramine. They make me have RLS 20-fold and I'm certainly not alone. So do some of the other anti-histamines. Doxylamine not so much.

Edit: And give the loperamide time to work. It literally takes 4 - 5 hours for me.

 

[Smoky]

So sorry to hear that... Any better at all?
For me blood pressure meds truly help (Clonidine especially), but if you can't get a hold of those, I would try some amino acids... Especially Gaba. L Arginine might be another. Tyrosine is helpful a few days later. Gaba is supposed to help relax the central nervous system. It doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, but if you take a little more than bottle says, which is usually 750 mg, it might help. I used it when I didn't have a script yet to pick up Clonidine. Some seizure meds help and of course any benzo. You may know all this, but just wanted to mention anyway. There is also The Thomas Recipe which is quite good.

I just tried to visualize all the physical symptoms as healing me as the drugs slowly left my system... I was literally on Bluelight every minute, as I was hallucinating going in and out of consciousness.

And yeah, the lopermide takes a little while as drewbocop mentions.

 

[KHHY]

I've heard about Gaba here and there and it helping with WD. Anyway I'm sorry to report that I caved. I felt like I was going crazy. And now I feel almost worse with guilt. I don't have anyone to go through this with or to even tell. Feel like shit now. Fuck. Fuck fuckall.

 

[Smoky]

Hey hey... You 'were' able to do a couple weeks off main drug ... that is not nuthin!

I don't believe folks should have to suffer... and it's okay to get appropriate medications to withdraw (not that all have access). Going at it alone, without those I personally know I would have gone to the ER... or inpatient. Without detox meds that is.

 

[drewbocop]

I've heard about Gaba here and there and it helping with WD. Anyway I'm sorry to report that I caved. I felt like I was going crazy. And now I feel almost worse with guilt. I don't have anyone to go through this with or to even tell. Feel like shit now. Fuck. Fuck fuckall.

This last run with just kratom and loperamide involved a huge 2 day slip up with Suboxone and a huge slip up with a high dose of Hydrocodone. I had enough time off everything in between the screw ups to not bring my withdrawal back and actually woke up with an after glow instead of any remnance of withdrawal. It happens, but if you are determined it can actually be helpful as long as you don't do it back to back to back. Just accept you had a minor set back and even try to use it to your advantage. I'm a couple weeks out now and I feel fantastic. I haven't felt normal for more than a couple weeks in almost a decade. I had a week with my family this week who live across the country so that helped immensely. I know how it is to be sick, desperate, hungry, and alone. Sometimes the little things make all the difference in the world. I was almost suicidal for a while solely because being depressed in my bedroom alone for days and days was MAKING me that way. Stay strong man, you got this.

 

[KHHY]

A buddy of mine has Clonopin, you think I should look into that in aiding in recovery?

 

[TheLostBoys]

Everyone is different & the effects are different for everyone.

Its perfectly normal for you to be having withdrawals 2 weeks after your last dose. Some people have withdrawals over a month after use.

 

[Tommyboy]

A buddy of mine has Clonopin, you think I should look into that in aiding in recovery?

You can use them for a few days to help with the withdrawals but don't take them regularly for a prolonged period of time as they cause worse (and more dangerous) withdrawals than opiates do.

 

[KHHY]

Clonopins are like one of the few drugs I've never done. If I use them in aid to help w the immediate WD how would I fig out the correct dosage? I'm beginning a plan tonight, I have only a few rox left and a handful of tabs to help taper. I'm really going to attempt to quit this time... I have/need/want to...

 

[Tommyboy]

Clonopins are like one of the few drugs I've never done. If I use them in aid to help w the immediate WD how would I fig out the correct dosage? I'm beginning a plan tonight, I have only a few rox left and a handful of tabs to help taper. I'm really going to attempt to quit this time... I have/need/want to...

Don't go above 1mg. Try 0.5mg and if after a few hours it's not helping with the symptoms then take another dose. Don't use it for more than 5 days.

 

[KHHY]

Don't go above 1mg. Try 0.5mg and if after a few hours it's not helping with the symptoms then take another dose. Don't use it for more than 5 days.

Ok thank you. I actually just got fired from my job (blessing in disguise; I was miserable there) so I have some time to 'get sick'...