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was anyone here close to dying?

Painful, stressful, loud, bright, hot, and as above no 'spiritual' gobbledygook to speak of.

I got wounded in Helmand province, Afghanistan during an operation, and was in the 'danger close' radius as some fast movers dropped 8 x 2000lbs of high explosive pwnage.

The only subjective, internal 'profound' experience resulting was that my medical officer gave me enormous quantities of I.V. opioids, promethazine and midazolam.

:D
 
rangrz said:
I got wounded in Helmand province, Afghanistan during an operation, and was in the 'danger close' radius as some fast movers dropped 8 x 2000lbs of high explosive pwnage.
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...and people say LSD is harmful...
 
I was surprised to hear that you were/are in the Army; you seem so sensible. I was just implying that LSD makes people wooly pacifists.
 
I'm still in. I'm an officer. Despite popular belief amongst college kids and hippies, the armed forces is quite senseful/rational place. We don't stay alive, win, or build rockets, satellites and submarines with nonsense and irrational thought processes.

LSD does indeed make pacifists, one of the many reasons I dislike the drug.
But that's OT.

On topic, I don't think there is any meaning behind visions and spiritual experiences people have while injured/sick. I think it's just biological response to use a computer term, unhandled exception condition like hypoxia or toxins from infection, etc causing aberrant operation of the brain. (like how a car won't work right if there is water in the gas, or if I toss a handful of sand in the oil.)
 
On topic, I don't think there is any meaning behind visions and spiritual experiences people have while injured/sick. I think it's just biological response to use a computer term, unhandled exception condition like hypoxia or toxins from infection, etc causing aberrant operation of the brain. (like how a car won't work right if there is water in the gas, or if I toss a handful of sand in the oil.)
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Correct, but the lack of an inherent meaning does not mean that experience isn't inherently meaningful.
 
rangrz said:
LSD does indeed make pacifists, one of the many reasons I dislike the drug.
But that's OT.
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what the fuck man,what the fuck...

I used to think that maybe if everybody droped some acid it would bring more peace to our planet but now I am thinking that everybody need to drop hydrogen bombs so whole mankind will die
 
rangrz said:
Painful, stressful, loud, bright, hot, and as above no 'spiritual' gobbledygook to speak of.

I got wounded in Helmand province, Afghanistan during an operation, and was in the 'danger close' radius as some fast movers dropped 8 x 2000lbs of high explosive pwnage.

The only subjective, internal 'profound' experience resulting was that my medical officer gave me enormous quantities of I.V. opioids, promethazine and midazolam.

:D
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so as I understand it,friendly jets dropped their bombs too close to you? did you get hit by shrapnel? I cant image,but it must been really loud
 
rangrz said:
I'm still in. I'm an officer. Despite popular belief amongst college kids and hippies, the armed forces is quite senseful/rational place. We don't stay alive, win, or build rockets, satellites and submarines with nonsense and irrational thought processes.

LSD does indeed make pacifists, one of the many reasons I dislike the drug.
But that's OT.
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I was taking the piss, actually ;)
 
DOB said:
so as I understand it,friendly jets dropped their bombs too close to you? did you get hit by shrapnel? I cant image,but it must been really loud
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I had been injured already by a RPG fragment. Fire support was requested to expedite evac by helo by clearing up the OPFOR.

As for pacifism, if I try to rape your friend, will you not resort to violence to stop me? Will you look down on someone who does?
 
DOB said:
what happened? I would like to hear in witch way your life was in danger,to hear this in better detail,please
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My first brush with human mortality came to me in the form of a lesson, namely in mechanical torsion and fluid dynamics. The long and short of it is, I found myself (by foolish misadventure) being pressed many fathoms under the surface of a large river by the rather sturdy sail of a capsizing boat, of which I was pilot at the time. So, in a word, I almost drowned (or, more specifically, almost succumbed to cerebral hypoxemia).

The second instance was far less climactic. I was hospitalized with pneumonia, but only after having developed such a case as was necessary for immediate intensive care (think, 'intro to a House episode just before the cut to the opening credit sequence'). Aspiration of mucous, postural rigidity, etc. Tracheal intubation is not an experience that I would particularly relish repeating in my lifetime. Ever been stabbed?

rangrz said:
LSD does indeed make pacifists, one of the many reasons I dislike the drug.
But that's OT.
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Even so, I have to ask: Don't you think that humanity would be far better off if it were composed of more, and not fewer, pacifists? Or are you of the 'Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2' persuasion, i.e., are you of the opinion that international/transnational conflict is an inevitable byproduct of human civilization and, thus, should be thought of only in those terms?

As for pacifism, if I try to rape your friend, will you not resort to violence to stop me? Will you look down on someone who does?
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But if you were a pacifist, you wouldn't be raping anyone in the first place. It cuts both ways.
 
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I think it is indeed an inevitable and perhaps necessary aspect of human civilization. Necessary because at some level, war and defense drive so much development in engineering, technology, and science. As well as organization of groups into nations.

Ah, but the reality is some people WILL try to rape, and in that situation, I have never had objection from even the least.showered , nappiest haired, peace symbol plastered hippies when I've stomped the perpetrator and detained them for the deed. ;) why not? Do they lose their idealism?
 
Necessary because at some level, war and defense drive so much development in engineering, technology, and science. As well as organization of groups into nations.
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Even if I don't agree with you 100% of the time, I'm typically on board with the general form and content of your ideas. But on this one, I must admit that I'm at a loss. Everything following the word 'because' seems to me to be an ethical/logical non-sequitur that is certainly no better than those employed by religious people who claim that God cured their depression. [cf. other recent thread on trans-substantiation] Whatever happened to 'ends and means?' I mean, come on man, this is the basic stuff of ethical theory.

To wit: Both the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese Army conducted some pretty badass biomedical science by way of vivisection. Are you a supporter of the torture and slaughter of individual human beings for science? Or perhaps only on a mass scale?
 
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