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wanting to quit oxys... questions...

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CheGuevara

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I've been taking oxycodone for a few months now. I travel to Europe a lot and that forces me to come clean because I can't get them or anything similar to them over there. I'm just tired of taking them. Don't get me wrong, the high is great, just taking a few pills and relaxin' on the couch is awesome. But I don't want to be dependent on any drug and I don't want it to progress any worse...

I take about three and a half 7.5/325 pills at one time, usually in the late evening... I love just being on the couch relaxing...

when I can get 10/325s i take also about three and a half of them and just relax...

I can make it through a whole day without taking any, but usually by night fall, I'm wanting to take some and just relax...

is this a bad addiction already? I'm really not familiar with how much is too much or what not (besides the tylenol in them)...

my problem is, I'll start getting a little headache in the evening, and instead of taking some advil and just trying to fight it off, I'll give in and take some oxys... My brain talks to me and makes any dang excuse to take them... I don't get withdrawals besides maybe like I said, a headache... but usually it's just the urge to do it... like my brain telling me to do it...

When I'm in europe I always take 10 mg ambien with me and that really helps relax me and put me to sleep...

anyways, I'm sorta reaching out and asking for some help/advice on what to do to stop...

I honestly wouldn't mind doing oxys maybe 2-3 times per week... but not any more than that...

any help would be appreciative... thanks for listening...

Che
 
Hi Che,


No one can really tell you if this is a "bad" addiction yet or not - everyone's different, and if you feel like you NEED them, it's bad enough. By quantity alone, IMO, sure you are taking more than the average person would need to for pain or to get high just starting to experiment, but believe me people take 10x, 20x, etc. the amount you are taking just to ward off sickness. It gets way worse, just trust me on that, because you DON'T want to experience it.

Considering you can take Ambien as a replacement and still actually sleep and feel relaxed, I would personally say you are a few steps from the edge. Step back while you still can, don't fall off. Hell, RUN THE FUCK AWAY. Stop taking them, if nothing else start skipping days or taking less and less... honestly, if I were you I'd just stop since physically you're okay with just stopping. Sure the emotional part sucks, but IMO that would be there whether you weened down or not. Better to just stop. Take the Ambien if it helps. I know your brain will be telling you that you need them, and sure maybe you'll get a headache (take advil or tylenol or whatever). but believe me it gets sooooooo much worse - vomiting, diarrhea, extreme pain in litteraly 95% of your body, the list goes on. It won't kill you outright, but you will wish you were dead - and there are plenty of people that have made that wish a reality while in opiate withdrawal.

There is no magic bullet here. Just stop. Get your mind off of it, take some some non-addictive comfort meds (advil, immodium, ambien etc... in therapeutic doses) for any sickness you do have (insomnia headache, stomach yuckies, etc).

As for taking them 2-3 times a week... maybe it's possible, but I've never really seen it work. Once a week, sure... but if you're doing it just about every other night, the obsession will be there constantly and caving in is SO easy. I'm a case in point right here. I went from once in a blue moon, to once a week, to twice a week to every other day in maybe 10-14 weeks, also my dose was increasing consistently... basically, IMO, if you already are putting arbitrary 'rules' on your use, you're already screwed. It's so easy to make a "one time" exception - in fact, if you're doing it alone (I wasn't), no one will ever know right? After I stabilized at basically two out of every three days, for about 3-4 months... one day, things just changed. Nothing really happened. I just stopped caring about the "rules". And that was that.

Don't let that be you.

Man, I feel for yas. I wish I had stopped when I first realized it was becoming a problem, right where you are now. Please make the healthy choice.
 
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Sorry. I hate reading shit like this. Just quit. It's not that damn hard with a habit like that. If you want to relax go get a bag of weed and some valium which you can find in Europe. If you're having to question YOURSELF on is this a problem? its obvious you are scared its going to become one. I hate hearing people say oh I was addicted to vicodin I had to take 3 10mgs in a day in one setting or blah always a low dose and I cant see how bad you would withdrawal besides very mild stomach discomfort.
Quit taking lame ass Vicodin. And Percocet.

this pisses me off so much reading. sorry. this isn't an addiction and if you think it is its a really weak one.try having to take 10 norcos a day just to get by. this is stupid. again. sorry.
 
ya i agree the sooner you dedicate yourself to no longer taking oxy the better. your addiction may make you feel terribly addicted sometimes but just remember that many people also started out where your at, and then progressed to something far far worse. i know everyone says this doesn't happen to me and the like, but talk to any hard core opiate user/abuser and this will become obvious. good luck
 
Yeah but it still can be an addiction to him. I used to struggle [and still do] relating to some people that had what I considered a laughable 'habit' might be better terminology or perhaps 'use'. I guess everybody is effected differently by their use and there are times when I am like, is this person serious? The thing is they are serious and they are smart enough to know something isn't quite right and they are taking steps to change that or at least thinking about it.

different strokes for different folks

peace.
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bagochina said:
Yeah but it still can be an addiction to him. I used to struggle [and still do] relating to some people that had what I considered a laughable 'habit' might be better terminology or perhaps 'use'. I guess everybody is effected differently by their use and there are times when I am like, is this person serious? The thing is they are serious and they are smart enough to know something isn't quite right and they are taking steps to change that or at least thinking about it.

different strokes for different folks

peace.
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I know its just like a big wtf. Think about it. How does ones tolerance not go up. I went from 30mg of codone in hs when I first dabbled and it went up like the 2nd week? To me its like a you couldnt handle more and thats why you take so little so your body cant take it so why the fuck are you using such small yes laughable amounts getting addicted to something that you obviously cant handle.
 
BandO, I think you are being very disrespectful. This post isn't in OD, it's in TDS, this guy just wants our support. I feel like I'm addicted to pot and have smoked daily for almost 7 years and people shit on me and tell me its "not a real addiction" and that isn't true. Plus, it sounds like the OP isn't familiar with some of the more "hardcore" opiates just yet from the sounds of it, so is just using what he can get his hands on.

OP, an addiction is an addiction...as everyone else said, you won't have to really worry about the physical part of this too much, but it has become a routine in your daily life for a period of time so mentally it will be difficult. DEFINITELY do some research here and erowid OP, you really SHOULD know what chemicals you are putting into your body --- BL is all about harm reduction.
 
Good luck with your illness. I feel OP , I take what folks call some small amounts of Hydro and sometimes when i run out i get nervous and feel like i need more. Perhaps he doesnt know where his next pill is coming from and that right there is annoying. Only you know what demons you encounter when you dont have your pills...Have you kicked any other habit in the past? just wondering. Either way good luck Addiction is addiction rather it be hardcore or not...
 
BandO I too feel your being disrespectful somehow. This shouldn't be about whose addiction balls are more swollen.

OP I started off just like you. Most of us did! I told myself that I wouldn't mind doing it only weekends(lol!!!) Its funny because everyone starts off a weekend warrior. Anyway, I moved all the way up to injecting heroin after about a year. That does happen, and it can happen to you. No doubt about it. I think u should take atleast a 6 month break, and def learn to relax without opiate. Other people do it, and I believe u can too! Its just so not worth it. If I could turn back time, I would quit when my habit was only 2 percs and I was wrecked!!
 
BananasAndOranges said:
Sorry. I hate reading shit like this. Just quit. It's not that damn hard with a habit like that. If you want to relax go get a bag of weed and some valium which you can find in Europe. If you're having to question YOURSELF on is this a problem? its obvious you are scared its going to become one. I hate hearing people say oh I was addicted to vicodin I had to take 3 10mgs in a day in one setting or blah always a low dose and I cant see how bad you would withdrawal besides very mild stomach discomfort.
Quit taking lame ass Vicodin. And Percocet.

this pisses me off so much reading. sorry. this isn't an addiction and if you think it is its a really weak one.try having to take 10 norcos a day just to get by. this is stupid. again. sorry.
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What the fuck? I was way more obsessed with opiates when I was doing 1 20 of oxy a day than I am now. WAY MORE OBSESSED. WAY MORE ADDICTED, just not physically. And he is taking like 40mg a day.
 
hey...

Sorry that my dosage isn't high enough for you bananas and oranges. I don't consider myself strongly addicted, but I'm finding it harder and harder to say no... I want to try and skip days, and go back to maybe 2-3 times per week...

I started doing oxys when my life started to suck, it made me happy and not really care about what happened... But I don't want it to control me...

Like I said, I always take them within 24 hours so I don't know how the withdrawals will be... I always find some excuse to take them... a little voice in the back of my head tells me I need them for this or this... and I always end up popping them...

I want to try to sleep them off with my ambien or take some valium to relax and just think about something else...

how much valium should I take ? I have a script for it, just haven't used it... xanax and valium make me dead tired and wiped out...

but I guess it's better than being an addict to oxy...

if I go through withdrawals, they should last how long? do you all think they will be bad?

I guess I'm not really taking a lot of mg compared to some of you out there, but I'm not wanting to compete here either... I'm wanting to stop and cycle myself before I get bad...
 
OK first off all I'm saying is fucking quit your small problem isn't that bad right now so you're stupid not to quit and you may think I'm being disrespectful. You'll think about how disrespectful I'm being when you get to the point when its 10 pills or nothing, a gram of dope or your not high, or driving to a clinic just so you can feel OK. Just take it as common fucking sense dood. You have a small tolerance right now. It's not big. It doesn't appear to me by what you're saying you'll have a big major w/d to were you'll need Sub or Done to get off. I'm just giving you my 2 cents holmes take it or leave it. You'll be glad later after your 3 days of stomach pain, and your very few blue days are over with.

I understand fully what you're saying. It is hard to say no. I know your tolerance isnt that high though so saying no isnt going to throw you in a fucking shit filled gutter thats all I'm trying to tell you.

If you want to take Valium go for it. Just take 20-30mg and smoke a pillow and chill out.
 
Draigan said:
What the fuck? I was way more obsessed with opiates when I was doing 1 20 of oxy a day than I am now. WAY MORE OBSESSED. WAY MORE ADDICTED, just not physically. And he is taking like 40mg a day.
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hm. no. thats stupid. how can a non physical addiction be bad? that makes no sense whatsoever. thats called grow/man up and deal with it before it gets physical.
 
hey bananas and oranges, you are right...

I'm going to man up and only do it 3 times a week...

I'm going to try my best... I'll let yall know how it goes thanks!
 
I would urge you to get off now. I had a period of heavier usage with OC, but nothing that got so bad that I required inpatient. I will admit that I still struggle and relapse and its been over 5 years since I have had any heavy addiction to opiates. These relapses are short and quick and I catch myself quickly....

Basically I am saying it only gets worse if you continue to use. Many people are unable to keep up the usage pattern that you have and fall into addiction.

If you do decide to only do it x amount of times a week, really really keep yourself disciplined. If you start to notice you are cheating then stop immediately. You are playing with fire (which I know you use).

I kinda see some of myself in you. I am very good at rationalizing, only now am I really starting to realize that I just cannot use them anymore, even recreationally. A day or two of relapse now has me down in the dumps for three days following. If I mess up and use for a week or two then I am physically feeling the WD, even with a taper.


BTW, I would love to have a job that has me traveling to Europe frequently. I have to travel alot for my job now, but its usually in a five hour radius.
 
CheGuevara said:
hey bananas and oranges, you are right...

I'm going to man up and only do it 3 times a week...

I'm going to try my best... I'll let yall know how it goes thanks!
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DUDE....Just QUIT Altogether. You have No reason to take more and binge out, but whatever everyone learns the hard way atleast 3 times.
 
BandO, you still aren't being supportive in the way TDS is supposed to be. phactor pretty much said the exact same thing in a much more respectful and supportive way, which is much more helpful to anyone than you having an attitude. YES even the OP knows it's a small habit, but I agree with Draigan fully...when you are just learning about something and have so much more to research and find out, things are much more exciting with any drug. You are thinking about it all the time since it's something new...after a while, when its a full blown addiction where you need it to function, I'm sure you aren't mentally glorifying it anymore --- since wanting to stop is the most important part of stopping anything addictive, until you stop glorifying it in your head it's going to be much more difficult.

OP, Draigan and phactor both offer some fantastic posts. Maybe it's because I'm female, but being told to "man up" in a forum that's supposed to offer support would definitely not be conducive to making me feel better.
 
purple_cloud said:
BandO, you still aren't being supportive in the way TDS is supposed to be. phactor pretty much said the exact same thing in a much more respectful and supportive way, which is much more helpful to anyone than you having an attitude. YES even the OP knows it's a small habit, but I agree with Draigan fully...when you are just learning about something and have so much more to research and find out, things are much more exciting with any drug. You are thinking about it all the time since it's something new...after a while, when its a full blown addiction where you need it to function, I'm sure you aren't mentally glorifying it anymore --- since wanting to stop is the most important part of stopping anything addictive, until you stop glorifying it in your head it's going to be much more difficult.

OP, Draigan and phactor both offer some fantastic posts. Maybe it's because I'm female, but being told to "man up" in a forum that's supposed to offer support would definitely not be conducive to making me feel better.
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Holy shit. It's an open forum. Chill. That was well said if its his first time actually being physically , Sort Of, addicted to vicodin, and oxy/percocet whatever. He should just quit though altogether. Doing it 2 or 3 times a week is Never 2-3 times a week. I've never, sorry, had anyone tell me hey im only doing this 3 times out of the week, and not doing it more. Opiates are addicting, get out, deal with diareaaaah, pick yourself up, and move along down.
 
Maybe B&O could find another way to say it, but he's right. I was a weekend warrior for years and years..until I wasn't anymore, and it happened slowly with oxy. From once a month to once a week to twice a week to everyday to shooting heroin. Stop now, before you end up in detox and/or rehab, it is a shitty way to spend the summer, trust me.
 
foxytxsoccermom said:
Good luck with your illness. I feel OP , I take what folks call some small amounts of Hydro and sometimes when i run out i get nervous and feel like i need more. Perhaps he doesnt know where his next pill is coming from and that right there is annoying. Only you know what demons you encounter when you dont have your pills...Have you kicked any other habit in the past? just wondering. Either way good luck Addiction is addiction rather it be hardcore or not...
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and no. addiction Is hardcore. You CANT be addicted to something you don't fully abuse yet, and even say yourself, im not Physically addicted. That also doesn't make sense.
 
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