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Visuals reduced to math?

Dr. Quack

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Users of LSD and many psychiatrists who have used the drug in therapy sessions say that these kinds of effects provide a window into the human unconscious. When people let go of the past in an altered state, they can dredge material from the deep within themselves.
Or can they? To Dr. Jack Cowan, a mathematician at the University of Chicago and a number of other scientists who study the architecture of the brain's visual areas, the dancing geometical patterns observed by Dr. Hoffman are not in the least mysterious. Cells in primary visual areas are specialized for detecting edges and contours in normal vision, he said.
When these cells are stimulated by a hallucinogen, they automatically produce visions of spirals, pinwheels, tunnels, funnels, spirals, honeycombs, checkerboards and cobwebs. As the brain struggles to make sense of these images, it may make up a story to explain what it is happening, he said.
People may find the results helpful or insightful, he said, but they flow not from some mysterious netherworld world but from the architecture of their own brains.
 
intesting! It makes sense too.
Do you have a link of some kind? I want to find more on the part about 'making up a story to explain what's happening'. I think it's a lot deeper than making up a story. I look at it like lsd and/or shrooms 'warp' the minds 'normal' functional process, in turn, leading to an abnormal and consistant pattern of 'new rules', which is kind of like what they said about vision cells.
I don't know WTF I'm talking about. I am terrible at explaining, so sorry if I made you guys go WTF did that retard say. lol!
I'd like to hear what other peoples theories are on this. It's definately very interesting and unexplainable up to now.
 
For just a moment think about chaos theory/fractals, and Polarization Microscope Pictures of Liquid Crystals(these are cool)...
http://www.fractalus.com/cheshirecat/gallery.htm http://www.lci.kent.edu/
Strangly similar aren't they?
Who here has seen things like this on say mushrooms/acid/psycadelic of some kind?
All structures naturally occurring in nature from submicroscopic to universal scales...
Hell take a look at some hubble photography...
Everything tangilble in the univerces is in a constant battle for an ordered resting point, A lowest exhertion of energy state that can only be achieved by competition between inner forces and surface external forces. That is be discribed mathmatically and visually everyday around you...
Why would our brain function in any other way when a foreign sustance is introduced.
A chemical circus/equation is going on. The easiest way for you brain to function has been disrupted and it wishes to return to it's easiest mode of functioning. That is the math behind removing these substances and the subsequent math of your altered perception... It has to be somehow realated to reality in the sence that your mind is made of reality.
Your brain is made of the same stuff everything else is made of and chemically speaking reacts just like any other naturally occurring structure in nature, and all the elements have rules. Put ceartain things next to eachother and there is some tension created. That tension is measurable...
Arn't programs just big math equations...
And isn't our brain just a computer with a really good auto debugger...
so the program must be fairly complex...and just a little change in say a variable name would have a huge effect on this overall program. So, psycadelics are a temporary recursive cascade failure with patterns/pathways that can been traced all the way back to what initially made the program in the first place, that ordered choatic mathimatical eqation no one really knows. (No it's not Iunknown.) But you do have the answer.
it's 42 of course...
[This message has been edited by Majortrippz (edited 15 June 2001).]
 
Those pics are mind blowing. Thanks for the input, you've definately made some sense out of it for me. I think I was going down the wrong path.
I tend to relate this discussion to religion and WHY I don't believe in it. I'm not trying to start a holy war, I just think it makes sense that it's totally possible for science to be the 'creator' of life. Shit, I'm going to get ass-raped for saying this I'm sure. Did anyone see that program on Discovery that featured scientists that explained their theory of how life was created? I don't sware by that, but I think theoretically, it's very close to 'the answer'. No?
Speaking of visuals, I can't wait to see the pictures of the universe in it's baby stages around the time of the big bang. I just read about this on Yahoo! news and I don't remember what the details are. I guess it's going to take a long time for the sattelite to get to it's destination(8 years?) and it's travelling very far. I hope everything pans out and the sattelite doesn't hit something.
 
Does our body correspond to the fibonacci sequence?
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To use your head you have to go out of your mind- Dr. Tmothy Leary
 
I don't know WTF I'm talking about. I am terrible at explaining, so sorry if I made you guys go WTF did that retard say. lol!
not so Dr rolls!!
i've learned many thingz from your posts. you've always been very informative. thanks.
and to comment on this post. i have experienced seeing numbers and vector images when candy flipping. it was my own personal matrix. what a trip.
if you want to look at some more mind blowing graphics check out some of my recent work.
eyecandie
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[This message has been edited by NeoMagic (edited 16 June 2001).]
 
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