Vicodin vs other opioids

[Psynaught]

I have searched and have not found any info on Vicodin. I have been failed by the medical industry, denied pain meds when I needed them. The last time I had a camera shoved down my penis all the way to my prostate with absolutely zero meds. I have doctors let me suffer terrible pneumonia and violent coughing with an unbearable migraine with zero cough syrup. I have been given half the pain meds I need after major surgery, the list goes on.

The latest is I was told I would only be given Tylenol for having my prostate cut in two. Not making this stuff up.

So I started collecting pain meds, First Tramadol, then Oxy, and then fentynal. Historically I have only taken what is prescribed as prescribed and never got high. I finally got high a few times (and boy, it is a good high) but this forum has scared the snit out of me and a rarely even do that anymore. The last time I got high on opioids is nearly 3 weeks ago.

Long story short, I am staying safe from opioids, but I do get pains pretty regularly. I am nearly 63 and a very hard core bodybuilder. I had some really bad back pain 10 days ago and took a couple of pain meds but did not really get high. I have constant feet pain, but kratom works great for that.

So I have an opportunity to get some Vicodin. It is expensive, but I have been thinking of stocking up on some. How does it compare to other opioids? Say Oxy and Tramadol? I know there is nothing like Oxy for getting high (which of course is why it is so dangerous) but how does Vicodin compare? Tramadol is great because just 1 100 mg cap gives me pain relief and also a mood boost (I get depressed about once/twice a week.

TLDR: How does Vicodin compare to Oxy, fentanyl, and Tramadol?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Vicodin is weaker than oxycodone but lasts longer and also is more sedating and warmer, more euphoric. Similar analgesia adjusted for dose.

It is my favorite for oral use and better than oxy if you adjust for the dose issue by just taking more than you would oxy.

It is far better than tramadol.

This is absurd the surgery you are facing at your age with no pain meds.

Also I’m not body builder but I fucked up
My back orettt badly by continuing to be stubborn and work out after having some pain. Youre 63, maybe time to preserve your spine and quality of life. I am impressed that you can still lift heavy at that age, you must have good genetics

 

[Psynaught]

Vicodin is weaker than oxycodone but lasts longer and also is more sedating and warmer, more euphoric. Similar analgesia adjusted for dose.

It is my favorite for oral use and better than oxy if you adjust for the dose issue by just taking more than you would oxy.

It is far better than tramadol.

This is absurd the surgery you are facing at your age with no pain meds.

Also I’m not body builder but I fucked up
My back orettt badly by continuing to be stubborn and work out after having some pain. Youre 63, maybe time to preserve your spine and quality of life. I am impressed that you can still lift heavy at that age, you must have good genetics

Thanks for the reply. I rarely, rarely have any back problems. I have constant feet/ankle problems. I have no cartilage in my left shoulder but am still able to train. I go light, 65 lb dumbbells for chest presses and I do strict Romanian deadlifts with 70 lbs (2 dumbbells so total of 140 lbs) for my rear chain. The R deads keep my lower back very healthy. I don't do heavy deadlifting anymore (did 600 lbs 30 years ago).

I have the opportunity to pick up some Vicodin, but it is expensive.

It is interesting that you say Vicodin is more euphoriating than Oxy, really? Like I said, I don't get high on Oxy very often, but if I take 3 30 mgs (90 mgs) at once I get an amazing high. I do take Kratom regularly, usually 5 gram 5 days a week, so I think that increases my opiod tolerance. Plus I weigh 225 lbs.

What mg of Vicodin equals 90 mgs of Oxy?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Thanks for the reply. I rarely, rarely have any back problems. I have constant feet/ankle problems. I have no cartilage in my left shoulder but am still able to train. I go light, 65 lb dumbbells for chest presses and I do strict Romanian deadlifts with 70 lbs (2 dumbbells so total of 140 lbs) for my rear chain. The R deads keep my lower back very healthy. I don't do heavy deadlifting anymore (did 600 lbs 30 years ago).

I have the opportunity to pick up some Vicodin, but it is expensive.

It is interesting that you say Vicodin is more euphoriating than Oxy, really? Like I said, I don't get high on Oxy very often, but if I take 3 30 mgs (90 mgs) at once I get an amazing high. I do take Kratom regularly, usually 5 gram 5 days a week, so I think that increases my opiod tolerance. Plus I weigh 225 lbs.

What mg of Vicodin equals 90 mgs of Oxy?

You won’t be able to take enough Vicodin to equal 90 mg of oxy because Vicodin contains acetaminophen in the formulation and taking that much at once will cause liver damage. Ppl have died making this mistake and it is apparently one of the most painful ways to die.

Oxy 30s contain no acetaminophen so that’s why you can take them without worrying about acetaminophen.

There are ways to extract hydrocodone from Vicodin to seperate the apap. But unless you are already good at it you will likely just waste your expensive pills, also the layman’s way of doing this extract still leaves residual acetaminophen in your product so you can still get bad effects from it (dirty feel and nausea mainly).

Does Vicodin have 5 or 10 mg of hydrocodone?

Either way your best bet is to use it for pain normally not to get High.

But I’ve extracted large amounts of hydrocodone from Vicodin using more complex extraction methods and taken high doses. It lasts longer and is warmer…more heroin like than oxy. Oxy is kinda stimulating and not as warm and enveloping. It’s personal preference at the end of the day tho. Also the metabolite of hydrocodone is hydromorphone (dilaided) so that makes Vicodin extra special too

I also wouldn’t mix oxy or Vicodin with Kratom. Kratom seems to detract from pharma opioid sedation and analgesia imo. I always did one or the other only.

 

[Psynaught]

You won’t be able to take enough Vicodin to equal 90 mg of oxy because Vicodin contains acetaminophen in the formulation and taking that much at once will cause liver damage. Ppl have died making this mistake and it is apparently one of the most painful ways to die.

Oxy 30s contain no acetaminophen so that’s why you can take them without worrying about acetaminophen.

There are ways to extract hydrocodone from Vicodin to seperate the apap. But unless you are already good at it you will likely just waste your expensive pills, also the layman’s way of doing this extract still leaves residual acetaminophen in your product so you can still get bad effects from it (dirty feel and nausea mainly).

Does Vicodin have 5 or 10 mg of hydrocodone?

Either way your best bet is to use it for pain normally not to get High.

But I’ve extracted large amounts of hydrocodone from Vicodin using more complex extraction methods and taken high doses. It lasts longer and is warmer…more heroin like than oxy. Oxy is kinda stimulating and not as warm and enveloping. It’s personal preference at the end of the day tho. Also the metabolite of hydrocodone is hydromorphone (dilaided) so that makes Vicodin extra special too

I also wouldn’t mix oxy or Vicodin with Kratom. Kratom seems to detract from pharma opioid sedation and analgesia imo. I always did one or the other only.

Interesting post. Yes, I use opioids occasionally for actual pain relief...my feet kill me all the time (but Kratom gives me good relief).

If I want to catch a buzz what I will usually do is take 1 fent (Mexican blues...the ones I have are consistent in strength) 1 Oxy and 1 Tramadol. I also might take a Soma.

It sounds like a lot, but this combo consistently gives me a nice moderate high. Like I said I don't do it very often. If I pick up some Vicodin I have the option of just slipping one in the mix, or just using it for pain relief when needed. That way I won't get much Tylenol.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Uhhh... Are you sure what you have is fentanyl?


Taking a "fent pill", plus an oxy, plus a tramadol & a soma is insane for a person who does not use opioids regularly.

Just the fent alone would have you nodding out hard if you don't use every day or have at least a moderate tolerance. So I question how one would be able to handle a "fent pill", plus oxy, plus tramadol, plus soma... all at once. That would put somebody in OD territory probably, especially some one without a tolerance. Unless the "fent pill" isn't actually fentanyl at all.

In my active heroin days, I tried a small bump of intranasal fentanyl and it had me nodding so hard that I thought I was gonna go unconscious & die. I couldn't imagine taking oxy, tramadol & soma on top of it at the same time. It's kind of overkill to be honest, since fentanyl is incredibly more potent than oxy & tramadol, so you're kind of just wasting the oxy & tramadol IMO.



I think tramadol is better than hydrocodone, but you have to be a good metabolizer & you also have to dose it right. Even when I had zero tolerance, I still had to take 400mg (spread out over 1-2hrs) in order to get "high" or make it work. Anything lower than 200mg wasn't even felt by me. Tramadol gives more euphoria, more stimulation & lasts twice as long as hydrocodone. But once the "high" wears off, you can't really re-dose tramadol in the same day like you can hydrocodone, without putting yourself at risk for a seizure.

 

[helpingout]

Tagging onto the other comments

Kratom severely interferes with “feeling” Vicodin.

I had some dental pain. Got prescribed Vicodin.
I took 8 on the first night and felt nothing.

Before I was on kratom I could feel just one of them. When I would get high on them, four (5mg) tablets would have me absolutely nodding so incredibly hard I would try to pair it with caffeine so I could stay awake and enjoy the high.

But while I was taking kratom those effects were never present.

In fact I could hardly feel anything at all.

Which brings me to my main piece of advice.

I don’t know why kratom interferes so heavily with Vicodin. But if you’re going to establish a connection, spend the huge amounts of money required to sustain the habit, and legitimately need the medication, then you absolutely 100 need to stop taking kratom. Likely for at least two weeks prior to taking any Vicodin and whatsoever.

Good luck.

 

[Quasimoto]

Vicodin is weaker than oxycodone but lasts longer and also is more sedating and warmer, more euphoric. Similar analgesia adjusted for dose.

Accurate. I actually prefer it to oxy tbh, but the only issue is it gives me more nausea than oxy.

It's really not that much weaker than oxy in the end.

Honestly I'd prefer 80mg of Vicodin over 80mg of oxy. But that's just me.

You won’t be able to take enough Vicodin to equal 90 mg of oxy because Vicodin contains acetaminophen in the formulation and taking that much at once will cause liver damage. Ppl have died making this mistake and it is apparently one of the most painful ways to die.

That's why cold water extraction tek is vital. Very easy and quick to do as well. It's not difficult to separate it.

Sadly I've known a few dudes who didn't do CWE while abusing it, and died of liver failure way too young. HR is vital.

 

[Psynaught]

Interesting posts, thanks. Yes, I have been told that my tolerance is huge. I think it is from the Kratom, plus I am a bigger person (226 lbs). I quit drinking more than 35 years ago and I was polishing off 15 beers a night.

I can take 4 30 mg Oxys. I will do 2-3 along w/ a Soma, and then an hour later take 1 more. Besides the addiction risk, one of the reasons I rarely get high is because it is so expensive for me to do so. I can take nearly $70 worth of opioids. The last time I took anything was 11 days ago and that was for back pain.

I tested the Fentanyl and the Oxy, both came back positive. If I take 1 fent I can definitely feel it, but I am no where near high.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Oxycodone is ~1.5x the potency of Hydrocodone (Vicodin; Lortab). Aside from that, the differences are exceedingly minor in their effects. A person who is taking these drugs specifically for analgesia like yourself should have no complaints whatsoever switching between the two. For that matter, Fentanyl shouldn't be all that different either, so long as the dose is adjusted properly to coincide with the Morphine Milligram Equivalents of your Oxycodone/Hydrocodone dosage.

If you're referring to Fentanyl from the street, I would highly advise that you never use this for pain management unless you're in an emergency situation (you're ready to bash your head in with a hammer as you are in so much pain). You'll never know the potency of what you're getting. This makes it impossible to stick to any kind of dosing schedule. Lack of structure derails people faster than anything with Opioids. They'll get a batch that's weak. Next pickup, they'll be convinced they should do twice as much, the dope is more powerful though, causing them not only to experience analgesia but to be rendered unconscious. Then your tolerance is shot up from the experience and this cycle continues on in that way. Maintaining a responsible disposition toward your Opioids is a pretty Herculean task even when you know exactly what it is you're dealing with.

Pharmaceutical Fentanyl is essentially as safe as any of the other Opioids you have listed here. You're likely to interpret Fentanyl as a heavier, more physically sedating experience than either Oxycodone or Hydrocodone. The latter two medications are often stated to be the most "stimulating" of the commonly used Opioids. Take that reputation with a grain of salt though, as the difference is really pretty minor.

Tramadol is a little bit different in that it also has the property of Serotonin-Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibition. To put this into perspective, many drugs marketed as antidepressants are SNRI's (Not to be confused with SSRI's). This lends the drug to the potential for both positive and negative reactions depending upon the user's physiology, the desired effect of the drug and the amount taken per dose. SNRI's are known to have positive effects in modulating certain types of pain. However, Tramaol is also fairly dangerous, as doses over 300mg per dose lower the seizure threshold considerably.

I hope this answers some questions.

 

[endod2]

Order BPC 157 and end the pain properly.

It's cheap, super effective and starts withing 3 days.

250mcg injected sub q daily

 

[Psynaught]

Oxycodone is ~1.5x the potency of Hydrocodone (Vicodin; Lortab). Aside from that, the differences are exceedingly minor in their effects. A person who is taking these drugs specifically for analgesia like yourself should have no complaints whatsoever switching between the two. For that matter, Fentanyl shouldn't be all that different either, so long as the dose is adjusted properly to coincide with the Morphine Milligram Equivalents of your Oxycodone/Hydrocodone dosage.

If you're referring to Fentanyl from the street, I would highly advise that you never use this for pain management unless you're in an emergency situation (you're ready to bash your head in with a hammer as you are in so much pain). You'll never know the potency of what you're getting. This makes it impossible to stick to any kind of dosing schedule. Lack of structure derails people faster than anything with Opioids. They'll get a batch that's weak. Next pickup, they'll be convinced they should do twice as much, the dope is more powerful though, causing them not only to experience analgesia but to be rendered unconscious. Then your tolerance is shot up from the experience and this cycle continues on in that way. Maintaining a responsible disposition toward your Opioids is a pretty Herculean task even when you know exactly what it is you're dealing with.

Pharmaceutical Fentanyl is essentially as safe as any of the other Opioids you have listed here. You're likely to interpret Fentanyl as a heavier, more physically sedating experience than either Oxycodone or Hydrocodone. The latter two medications are often stated to be the most "stimulating" of the commonly used Opioids. Take that reputation with a grain of salt though, as the difference is really pretty minor.

Tramadol is a little bit different in that it also has the property of Serotonin-Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibition. To put this into perspective, many drugs marketed as antidepressants are SNRI's (Not to be confused with SSRI's). This lends the drug to the potential for both positive and negative reactions depending upon the user's physiology, the desired effect of the drug and the amount taken per dose. SNRI's are known to have positive effects in modulating certain types of pain. However, Tramaol is also fairly dangerous, as doses over 300mg per dose lower the seizure threshold considerably.

I hope this answers some questions.

Thank you, Kief. I always rake your posts seriously.

 

[Psynaught]

Order BPC 157 and end the pain properly.

It's cheap, super effective and starts withing 3 days.

250mcg injected sub q daily

I've heard this from other bodybuilders. BPC 157 is great for minor dings/aches/oain but not for the level of plantar fasciitis I have.

 

[endod2]

Try it. I broke my femur and blew out my acl, meniscus, patella, mcl and im at about 60% healed after only a few weeks. I also have no more IBS symptoms and my pain levels are almost non existant

 

[LSDiesel]

Psynaught I’m curious, it can make a big difference, are you popping your fent pill? Or smoking it?

Fentanyl can be surprisingly weak when taken the oral route; and I believe is why there actually aren’t any legitimate fentanyl pills. I believe there are legitimate pharma sublingual tablets but if recollection is correct there aren’t any legitimate pharma fentanyl pills made for oral ingestion.

PS if you are swallowing them only please just ditch them and stick to the oxy hydro or tramadol, or might I suggest tapantadol or O-DSMT over any fentanyl pills, there’s a reason they are counterfeit in the first place and a real risk that goes with them too. Xylaxine etc

 

[BourbonMac]

Vicodin is only a bit weaker than Oxy, but it made me WAY itchy for some reason.
They can't be potentiated by grapefruit juice or Tagamet like Oxy, but the "high" for me is very similar.

If I were you man, I'd try to use these pills as serious emergency use only, and stick with kratom while it's around. The pills will jack up your kratom tolerance like crazy. If you can lower that tolerance you wouldn't believe how well it can work for pain, but you're almost guaranteed to feel a high of sorts from it. I'm sure you probably already took kratom before any of the pills, but there's no telling the quality. A lot of smoke shop stuff is really bad, unless it's like, Remarkable Herbs.

Kratom's obviously way cheaper online, but I found potency varied way too much. At least with the vendor I'd been using.

 

[Psynaught]

Vicodin is only a bit weaker than Oxy, but it made me WAY itchy for some reason.
They can't be potentiated by grapefruit juice or Tagamet like Oxy, but the "high" for me is very similar.

If I were you man, I'd try to use these pills as serious emergency use only, and stick with kratom while it's around. The pills will jack up your kratom tolerance like crazy. If you can lower that tolerance you wouldn't believe how well it can work for pain, but you're almost guaranteed to feel a high of sorts from it. I'm sure you probably already took kratom before any of the pills, but there's no telling the quality. A lot of smoke shop stuff is really bad, unless it's like, Remarkable Herbs.

Kratom's obviously way cheaper online, but I found potency varied way too much. At least with the vendor I'd been using.

I use Kratom, 5 rams a day about 4-5 days a week. I limit my opiod use to once a week or if I am experiencing pain.

 

[pnillyg]

I use Kratom, 5 rams a day about 4-5 days a week. I limit my opiod use to once a week or if I am experiencing pain.

And you’re still able to feel the opiate when switching back and fourth?

 

[chippermonk]

I use kratom in low doses ( about 2g) a few times a week, for a mild high and mood improvement. It works for me and my needs, and I don't notice much affect on my tolerance.
However, I have knee surgery coming up next month and they told me they will prescribe me 10 mg vicodins. I have two concerns. First, I don't want to fuck up my tolerance such that the Vicodin won't kill the pain ( I seriously doubt the doctor will increase my prescription or give me refills, the stingy bastard). Maybe I should quit taking the kratom now for the next month to get rid of any opiate tolerance?
But the second thing I'm wondering is whether I can use the kratom to help with the pain, like maybe by combining kratom with just 5 mg of Vicodin. But it sounds like from what I read here that the kratom will screw up the effects of the Vicodin? Besides, kratom seems to have more inconsistent effects than Vicodin for me. Sometimes the dose feels strong, sometimes meh, same batch, so maybe I won't get good pain control.
Basically, I'm hoping to save some of the Vicodin for future use because I can always get kratom but opiates are hard to come by.
Thanks

 

[Psynaught]

And you’re still able to feel the opiate when switching back and fourth?

Absolutely, 100%. I probably need to take more to feel it, however. Last week I ran across a connection that had what looked like pharmaceutical Oxy... T 189's (30 mg small yellow pill). For Oxy's they were 10 bucks, a steal. They looked EXACTLY like the real thing. Being careful, I took one. Definitely got high. I took another and was flying. The next day I tested it (urine)...and it came back fentanyl.

I Waited 2 days and tried the 10 mg "oxy's" . Again they looked IDENTICAL to real 230's. Took one, then 2...eventually 4 spaced out over 3 hours. Again I was feeling good.

Tested them next day and AGAIN fentanyl! At this point I am pretty much convinced EVERYTHING on the black market is fentanyl. I actually was able to get real Oxys a while back. However my connect (also a friend) fell off the planet does not answer texts or FB messages. I fear for the worst. I have been searched the obituaries for him but nothing shows up, so I figure he was busted. He was connected to a crooked Nigerian pharmacy and a network of docs that would write scripts and then eventually sell the Oxys they compounded.

I have had a personal stash of opioids for a long time. I've had 2 bottles of Tramadol that have lasted 3 years. I have real Oxy's and a ton of Mexican M30's (fentanyl). Unlike most on this board, I love the way fentanyl makes me feel. You just have to be super careful, aware that strength may vary from pill to pill. That is why I only take one, wait 50 minutes and then take maybe an Oxy or a Tramadol. Everyone has been telling me I would be homeless/addicted/dead for more than 7 months, but here I am still alive and well and living with my wonderful family. I just purchased $1800 worth of cowboy boots. I do take warnings very, very seriously. Kief has warned me a bunch of times and I take his advice extremely seriously. In fact he scares the poop out of me, a good thing. Being scared of this stuff is not paranoia...its common sense.

My secret is, I only get high on opioids once a week...sometime 10 days. However I violated that rule last week because I had to test the fake Oxy's. I have a physician friend...and this is f'ed up, but he gives his wife Oxy's, and she gives him sex. But he distributes them responsibly to her and always has Narcan on hand. He has been nearly begging me to find him some real Oxy's. Unfortunately, it seems impossible.

Long story short, I am stepping back from the opiod business, it is just to dangerous for my tastes.