very new to this need guidance

[mabey224]

Hey guys

I`ve been lifting for awhile now and am curious to what roid/hormone would help me out a lil. My friends have used Test and have gained a lot of fat out of it along with the muscle. Also I know Test messes with your sack and a bunch of other horrible side effects. Im looking for something that gains QUALITY and Lean muscle without much fat gain. And also would like something that has a fat burning effect like ephedra for cutting. I want to stay away from injections to avoid infections plus I hate the thought of injecting myself. Another big thing for me is that I want to use this thing for a cycle or two and then stop it. I don't want to have to keep taking it for a long period of time.

Thanks

 

[Genetic Freak]

Hey guys

I`ve been lifting for awhile now and am curious to what roid/hormone would help me out a lil. My friends have used Test and have gained a lot of fat out of it along with the muscle. Also I know Test messes with your sack and a bunch of other horrible side effects. Im looking for something that gains QUALITY and Lean muscle without much fat gain. And also would like something that has a fat burning effect like ephedra for cutting. I want to stay away from injections to avoid infections plus I hate the thought of injecting myself. Another big thing for me is that I want to use this thing for a cycle or two and then stop it. I don't want to have to keep taking it for a long period of time.

Thanks

Every cycle should be inclusive of injectable testosterone..... You leave yourself few options apart from improving your diet, and doing more cardio...

If your friends have gained a lot of fat from testosterone, they are doing something wrong...

Don't believe what you read about side effects, with careful cycle planning side effects can be minimised.

Injecting can be done safely and hygienically without causing infection if a simple safe injection protocol is followed...

 

[flyhighk]

If you don't wanna inject, don't use steroids. And doing a cycle or two is not worth it. You're just looking for a shortcut...

 

[Neoprimitive]

Hey guys

I`ve been lifting for awhile now and am curious to what roid/hormone would help me out a lil. My friends have used Test and have gained a lot of fat out of it along with the muscle. Also I know Test messes with your sack and a bunch of other horrible side effects. Im looking for something that gains QUALITY and Lean muscle without much fat gain. And also would like something that has a fat burning effect like ephedra for cutting. I want to stay away from injections to avoid infections plus I hate the thought of injecting myself. Another big thing for me is that I want to use this thing for a cycle or two and then stop it. I don't want to have to keep taking it for a long period of time.

Thanks

First listen to the posts above mine.

Second, it wasn't the test that caused the extra fat, it was the shitty diet and training. You can get very lean gains from Test if you are hyper vigilant about your diet and training regimen. Before any one here steers you in the direction of gear we have a few questions for you.

1- your stats Age / Weight / Body Fat % / Height

2- What is your Training history ( give us an example of a week in your program is it a 3 day split 5 day split? What type of training are you doing and for what purpose ie is it sport specific)

3- What is your diet ( again give us a standard day in your diet.)

4- Why are you looking to use AAS ? Because if you are thinking hell this would be a great short cut, nope wrong, it is the longer more complicated road, that has some rickety ass bridges that are one lane. But I digress.

5- If you do not want to inject then Do not bother with Steroids, the fact that you want to only do 1 or 2 cycles says a lot but not necessarily the right thing. From your questions you come off as really young, and sound like you think if you juice up a little bit you can impress some one or take a short cut to get something with out having to do the hard work of putting in the basics.

6- A cycle or two is fine, but not if your just trying to cut corners.Proper AAS use requires planning and dedication to a work out and diet plan, it is not a short cut to any thing.

The real truth is nothing you take is going to give you that magic muscle and fat loss ; that is going to come from your diet and training not some magic pill. Getting into serious hormones, is nothing to take lightly and not some as you put it " Thing" to take to get little help in the gym mate . Injections are not going to give you an infection unless you are going about it all wrong, using dirty equipment, improper technique, or if you just have piss poor hygiene and no common sense. The side effects you are talking about, well are mostly from improper usages, and most AAS have them, some worse then others. Another thing that bothers me is you did not even mention PCT, or ask about what you should use for PCT, Google it, because if you run a hormone you will need to run a PCT. Ok so yeah I have been a little harsh here, so do your self a favor, answer the questions above, read the stickies at the top of this forum specifically the " Your First Cycle" one read it a few times. Do some research on the compounds and their effects. Then com back and lay out what you want to do and why, with out spouting some information you garnered from a conversation with some bros at the gym. A 20 min Google search would have informed you better. I don't mean to sound a dick but frankly that is goal one on Bluelight Harm Reduction, and specifically this forum we like to dispel as much broscience as we possibly can, and have people treat these compounds with respect because they are really powerful and if you dismiss them it is gonna bite you in the ass. So answer the questions, do a little more research and reading and then come back like I said and we will see what we can do.

 

[flyhighk]

Forgot to add, test makes you leaner. If your friends weren't using test, they would have gotten fatter.

 

[Neoprimitive]

No offense Fly but, leaning out is diet dependent. The hormones, just help you boost what you are aiming for be it cut or bulk. Just pointing that fact out, you can cut or bulk with any compound. Some are better then others at a given job, but it really comes down to the diet and training. Though some specific combinations of AAS along side a properly constructed diet and training program will melt you. The same goes for specific combos blowing you up to gorilla proportions. But end of the day it comes down to training and diet, you can take all the gear in the right proportions and still screw the pooch in the kitchen even if you train like an animal. Took me a few years to figure that one out myself, thinking I had more room in the diet then I really did. Once I figured out that less gear + more food of better quality was better then more gear and over training. I started to blow away my personal bests, and my mates that still prescribed to the idea that specific compounds are responsible for weight loss and others for growth, and that they can eat like animals and train in a less disciplined way because of the steroids, they got left behind too. Frank Zane, arguably one of the greatest from the golden age of bodybuilding preached diet diet diet and the mans body reflected it, sure he wasn't a massive mountain like Arnold; but Zane was carved from steel, and was just obscenely symmetrical.

Frank Said this about Bulking Up:
"If you want to get high definition and keep it for the rest of your life then DON'T BULK UP which entails gorging yourself with extra calories. Bulking up means to pack on a lot of body weight in a hurry. Is this productive or are you wasting your time? My advice base on my own experience is don't do it. Quality muscle takes time to develop-it's better to add not more then 5 lbs of solid muscle a year by training and eating right than to gain 30-40 lbs of surplus tissue, much of which is fat and water retention. When you train down and lose the excess bulk you will most likely find yourself in the same place where you started, a year later, a year wasted. You cannot improve your definition this way."
Now I think this is a little too conservative with his numbers but it holds true, no reason to blow up like a balloon then work your way down to a bit more then what you had to start with makes no sense. It makes more sense to get to a point where you are lean and can add quality lean mass to your frame, less is some times more. Look I like being big, but I also like the fact that I can add slowly, and consistently with better quality then most guys throwing on huge amounts of mass then only keeping a small percentage of that massive 30-40lbs of watery, fatty low quality muscle. But I digress, I didn't mean to blast you Fly, I just had to have a conversation with a kid at the gym this morning that was very similar to the OP here, he is having some serious issues from jumping into the deep end of the steroid pool with about as much research as he could get from the bathroom wall, and whats worse he is young, too young to be screwing around with Tren, and the laundry list of compounds that some other ass clown in the gym sold him at what I can only guess where here is an idiot price; not to mention he sold the kid some cheap ass generic Vicodin and Xanax to and I quote " To help you sleep, because the Tren and adderall you are goign to be taking to help lean him out will cause insomnia.". I about had a fucking stroke that some grown ass adult would sell a 16 year old kid a list of harsh ass compounds and zero instructions, well I don't know what pissed me of more that the kid bought the shit with no research or that some monkey sold it to him. Shame too the kid wrestles and trains hard, I see hm in the gym every day early before school. But I digress.

 

[flyhighk]

Yes diet is the most important factor, but all AAS make you leaner. I'm not saying that test will make you lose fat on a bulk, I'm saying that if two groups of people were on a 500cal surplus, one on test the other natural, the enhanced group will gain less fat that the natural group.

 

[Neoprimitive]

Quiet possible as long as all other factors where equal including training( which in a study like you just suggested they would be) . Like I said man I did not mean to rip you, It been a long day, and I was dealing with a similar situation, well not even similar way worse, that fall in my lap at the gym I train at. So yeah fly I didnt mean to come off all agro mate.

 

[Mel22]

The only guidance you need is to be told to educate yourself thoroughly via reputable sources before even considering a cycle. You have very limited knowledge at this point, and are far from ready to be messing with steroids.

Know what you're doing before you do it.

 

[Serotonin101]

^good to see you back around here mel

 

[black53]

op, make some more concrete goals, not just fill out a bit... if the goal is looking like someone, post their pic, if it's achieving certain lifts, post numbers

post detailed stats, height, weight, bf, lifts, time lifting, current diet, some pics (blur out the face if you want) with normal lighting (the pic at the end will be posted using same lighting to avoid tricks with lights), any special injuries/medical conditions and whatever else you think could be relavant, lifting program u use, ..

then educate yourself about the subject (so you wont just blindly follow advice)

read the recommendations from members, if you don't agree with/want to change it something ask

all this time continue lifting naturally

once you're set you can start a cycle

oh yes, oral only cycles are much worse than those with at least injectable test (and no, the shots don't hurt unless you're doing something wrong... especially with thin oils that can be injected with 25g needles)

 

[-Guido-]

I don't understand the stigma with new guys these days not wanting to inject steroids; You aren't sticking a needle in your vein. It goes right into a muscle, that's it. And if you use long esters you only have to inject once a week. Orals can't be run for lengthy periods of time and they will shut down your testes, stopping production of testosterone in your body, and as a result your testosterone levels will drop as time goes on leaving you fatigued, depressed, lethargic, and unable to perform sexually.

If your using a proper UGL, the gear is on par with FDA approved pharmaceutical grade gear. Little to no pain, gear goes in smooth like black53 said.

If you are really that paranoid about side effects, use Testosterone and Primobolan (both injectable steroids) with some Anavar (oral steroid) thrown in, B5 for acne, and a moderate dose of Aromasin every 2-3 days. Little to no side effects at all.

Jesus. I'm going to add to the starter cycle sticky to include a virtually side effect free cycle or blast. It will be expensive due to the Primobolan and Anavar but virtually will have be side effect free with little to no hepatoxicity, negative effect on blood pressure, or raise in cholesterol.

 

[black53]

>I don't understand the stigma with new guys these days not wanting to inject steroids
It's just something most people aren't used to... memories of nurses not caring about pain and just sticking it in using some huge needle don't help either.
I was amazed how less painful my shots were compared to those done by nurses/doctors. Now I rather give myself the shot as opposed letting a nurse do it.

If you can't afford the cycle Guido is suggesting, just run test + dbol/tbol (dbol is cheaper, stronger and more estrogenic, tbol is weaker, more expensive and doesn't convert to estrogen), much cheaper, and while it can cause sides, they are easy to control with AIs and 5ar inhibitors (if you're really concerned about your hair). Dbol/tbol is hepatotoxic but if you don't run huge doses for months on end while drinking vodka everyday, you'll be fine (this is for people with healthy livers, with preexisting liver disease orals aren't the best choice imo).

 

[Neoprimitive]

>I don't understand the stigma with new guys these days not wanting to inject steroids
It's just something most people aren't used to... memories of nurses not caring about pain and just sticking it in using some huge needle don't help either.
I was amazed how less painful my shots were compared to those done by nurses/doctors. Now I rather give myself the shot as opposed letting a nurse do it.

If you can't afford the cycle Guido is suggesting, just run test + dbol/tbol (dbol is cheaper, stronger and more estrogenic, tbol is weaker, more expensive and doesn't convert to estrogen), much cheaper, and while it can cause sides, they are easy to control with AIs and 5ar inhibitors (if you're really concerned about your hair). Dbol/tbol is hepatotoxic but if you don't run huge doses for months on end while drinking vodka everyday, you'll be fine (this is for people with healthy livers, with preexisting liver disease orals aren't the best choice imo).

It is horrible when you are getting an injection done by some one else when you are use to doing it your self; especially with the law darts they tend to use in office. A trick O find that helps when you are first starting out is to do your injection post shower, it gives your muscles and the gear a chance to warm up and relax a bit. Just take the loaded syringe in with you, place on a clean towel ( make sure it is capped)and let the warm air do its thing. Like Guido said if the gear is properly made and warmed up a little bit it will go in smooth, no worries.