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Venlafaxine and mirtazapine: opioid-mediated effects

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Venlafaxine and mirtazapine: different mechanisms of antidepressant action, common opioid-mediated antinociceptive effects--a possible opioid involvement in severe depression?

Abstract

The efficacy of each antidepressant available has been found equal to that of amitriptyline in double-blind studies as far as mild to moderate depression is involved. However, it seems that some antidepressants are more effective than others in the treatment of severe types of depression (i.e., delusional depression and refractory depression). Following studies regarding the antinociceptive mechanisms of various antidepressants, we speculate that the involvement of the opioid system in the antidepressants' mechanism of action may be necessary, in order to prove effective in the treatment of severe depression. Among the antidepressants of the newer generations, that involvement occurs only with venlafaxine (a presynaptic drug which blocks the synaptosomal uptake of noradrenaline and serotonin and, to a lesser degree, of dopamine) and with mirtazapine (a postsynaptic drug which enhances noradrenergic and 5-HT1A-mediated serotonergic neurotransmission via antagonism of central alpha-auto- and hetero-adrenoreceptors). When mice were tested with a hotplate analgesia meter, both venlafaxine and mirtazapine induced a dose-dependent, naloxone-reversible antinociceptive effect following ip administration. Summing up the various interactions of venlafaxine and mirtazapine with opioid, noradrenergic and serotonergic agonists and antagonists, we found that the antinociceptive effect of venlafaxine is influenced by opioid receptor subtypes (mu-, kappa1- kappa3- and delta-opioid receptor subtypes) combined with the alpha2-adrenergic receptor, whereas the antinociceptive effect of mirtazapine mainly involves mu- and kappa3-opioid mechanisms. This opioid profile of the two drugs may be one of the explanations to their efficacy in severe depression, unlike the SSRIs and other antidepressants which lack opioid activity.
PMID: 11931344 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11931344?dopt=Abstract
 
Er...it was my interpretation that the opioidergic effects were downstream, but I only have access to the abstract right now...

ebola
 
Years ago I was on this combo, effexor in the morning and at night when I would take the mirtazapine my pupils would constrict and I would become very sedated. This combo is known as "California rocket fuel". It's quite interesting try googling it. I do remember reading that it has some opioid action not due to one or the other of the two medications but as a result of the combination.
 
Hahahah "California rocket fuel"...I was on that stuff, Effexor XR first, then Mirtazapine...both worked for anxiety but screwed up my sexuality, the Effexor XR particularly did a big poo poo on my sex life, the Mirtazapine was better in that regard but I'd rather be free of chemicals that alter my sexuality in a negative way.
 
this is one hell of a combination. when nearly all antidepressants that were tried did nothing for my anxiety/depression, this combo (first mirtazapine and then added venlafaxine a few months later while reducing the mirtazapine dosage) just made it all disappear and finally put an end to my need to always have a benzo in the pocket to even be able to leave the house (which ended in periods of serious high-dose benzo addiction that needed to be tapered down in a hospital).

but it's just switching one addiction for an other. the side effects are somehow more acceptable because the benzos just made me really stupid and changed my personality a lot. but when it comes to withdrawal, the ad-combo is just as bad as the benzos.

what i wanted to say specifically regarding the topic is that i found the symptoms when lowering the dose of one or both meds to be quite similar to opioid-wd in some aspects. especially mirtazapine causes feeling cold, stomach issues etc that are just like with opioids.
 
A quick browse of the article shows that mirtazapine's analgesic effects are also antagonized by alpha-adrenergic agonists (in this study, yohimbine, and serotonergic antagonists (metergoline)). The antagonistic effect is less than that of naloxone, but it's unclear whether the difference is statistically significant (get some error bars and lose the stupid pseudo-3d bar graph, people!). All this further supports the notion that mirtazapine affects mOR transmission, but in an indirect and seemingly multifaceted way. The effect of 5ht antagonism is particularly interesting, given that mirtazapine itself is a selective 5ht antagonist. Maybe increased 5ht transmission particularly at 5ht1(a?) plays a key role in the neural cascade that results in analgesia.

ebola
 
Its adronergic antagonism of certain autoreceptors results in more 5HT release, togheter with increased agonism of left open receptors by the 5HT that cant lock into the antagonised receptors.
 
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