Mental Health Us people with ADHD are screwed.

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The only treatment to ADHD is to take a high dose of stimulants. Methamphetamine works best, although amphetamine is a close second.

The problem? These medications are rarely prescribed in the doses needed to make a difference, and are not affordable or covered for most people.

Guess we are eternally screwed.

I have OCD/ADHD and I've succesfully learned to manage my OCD to a point I can lead the life I want, but my ADHD cannot be managed by therapy, it requires drugs, and I cannot afford the amount I need.

Oh, and mushrooms and ketamine do cure OCD for months at a time with a single use. Too bad they are also banned. Figures. Stuff that works = don't let them have it. Just give them garbage that neutralizes their sex life and makes them feel no emotions at all.

I really hate this planet.
 
You can get ADHD meds legally prescribed from a pdoc and if you are on Medicare / Medicaid you only have to pay a minimal amount a month for a 30 day supply.
 
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And as a person living a long and full life with ADD, I can assure you that there is much you can do that does not involve any drugs. make sure you are not shortchanging yourself by only focusing on drugs as an answer to the difficulties ADD/ADHD presents.<3
 
I do have to agree they are rarely prescribed i have adhd and ocd i was prescribed adderall but they took me off it..With memantine it banished my symptoms i was going to get another prescription but my drug test came up positive for barbituites ive never done barbituites it was a false positive im guessing from a supplement i was taking Im not going to go to much about that here
Have you tried nootropics? Piracetam etc they do work for adhd aniracetam and sunifram worked good also the basic ones omega 3 the right b vitamins and alcar worked good to
i can understand that having adhd and ocd sucks to have they are other options besides stimulants
 
I do have to agree they are rarely prescribed i have adhd and ocd i was prescribed adderall but they took me off it..With memantine it banished my symptoms i was going to get another prescription but my drug test came up positive for barbituites ive never done barbituites it was a false positive im guessing from a supplement i was taking Im not going to go to much about that here
Have you tried nootropics? Piracetam etc they do work for adhd aniracetam and sunifram worked good also the basic ones omega 3 the right b vitamins and alcar worked good to
i can understand that having adhd and ocd sucks to have they are other options besides stimulants

Sorry to hear about the false positive with the barbiturates. I'm really curious to know what would cause a false positive for that.
 
I was diagnosed with ADHD combo (add and ADHD ) .. My doc gave me 3x a day of 10mg IR and 1x a day 20mgs XR ...it worked but I just don't think the price is worth it as I'm sure it wasn't healthy if I continued it in the long run...I'm currently on 20mgs XR still and worried about surviving normally without it if I ever get off it .
 
Interesting... is ketamine really effective for ocd? What dose and how often do you use it for this purpose?

And guess it's time to start capsuling up meth shards. Haha jk
 
People with ADHD are screwed? Are not you satisfied with the stimulants that was prescribed to you? What about us with Schizotypal Personality Disorders that is for life? Include the depression on top of that...
 
I think I'm pretty ADHD. I accept it. The substance you'd choose for yourself is actually quite neurotoxic and leads to decreasing effect from increasing doses, rendering your brain a quivering mass of gray mush in the end. I wouldn't recommend a therapeutic regimine like that to anyone. Perhaps working on learning to use it to your advantage? I tend to be okay so long as I minimize my distractions and a self-initiated nootropic regimine seems to help out a lot, not to mention no scrip required and it actually helps my brain out, too. I'll leave this there and walk away whistling. Take it or leave it.
 
really good reading for anyone with ADD/ADHD:
Scattered Minds by Gabor Maté

Why We Should Eliminate the Diagnosis ADD

And here is a quote from a psychiatrist named Dr Hallowell:

I’ve always hated calling ADD a “disability.” That is just the wrong term and comes with too much of a stigma attached to it. ADD is a name for a collection of symptoms, some positive and some negative, which describes a way of being in the world. Having ADD isn’t an intrinsically bad thing. In fact, there are many talents and gifts that go along with having it. Sure, it may cause you to crash and burn sometimes, but it certainly doesn’t mean you can’t do quite well in life. I always say that having ADD is like having a turbocharged race-car brain, but with the brakes of a bicycle! If you take certain specific steps, then you can take advantage of the huge benefits ADD conveys – while avoiding the disasters it can create.
 
People with ADHD are screwed? Are not you satisfied with the stimulants that was prescribed to you? What about us with Schizotypal Personality Disorders that is for life? Include the depression on top of that...

I don't think that's entirely fair - being prescribed stimulants isn't exactly a happy fun-party, and symptoms of ADHD are pretty likely to persist for life (though there are ways of dealing with them). It's pretty common to experience depression in conjunction with ADHD, so let's not play a game of "who's got the worst mental illness", yeah? Everybody has their own struggles.

Forgive me, but this post is probably going to come down pretty hard in regards to the effects of ketamine on someone with obsessive behaviours, depression and attention deficit. It also got a lot longer than I expected! But, I'm pretty passionate about the fact that ket is just not going to solve anyone with OCD or ADHD's problems, cause it certainly didn't solve mine. It's gonna sound like an anti-drug poster, but don't get me wrong - I love ket. I love it so much that I hate it. The addictive effect it had far outweighed any benefit - it's so addictive, and toxic, that it's no wonder it's not prescribed. SSRIs and the like don't usually work too well either, and they're pretty awful, but at least they're not this kind of destructive. Not in my experience. They make you feel shitty, sure, but they've not had the kind of effect on me that I'm going to talk about now.


In my case ket certainly alleviated my symptoms for a while, but always at great cost. It certainly didn't work for an extended period of time, beyond the first couple of times using it. It was a short-term solution to a long-term problem, and then shit got real. I didn't jump right in at doing half gram lines, I started by doing it once, I felt great for a while. Then really small amounts on a daily basis. Then all the time, because it made everything go away.


I didn't feel so scared of things, of people - I also didn't give two fucks about anything. The only reason, I believe, that it alleviated the symptoms is because I was psychologically (and physically) completely incapable of indulging in the crazy behaviour I normally would. Whenever I had it, everything was fine in my head, I was quite content to let my life fall completely to pieces, which ordinarily would've chilled me to the bone. There's scientific proof that it alleviates depression, yeah, but the risks just far outweigh the benefit.


I became entirely happy to just live a shitty life, taking a lot of a shitty drug - but hey! At least I could walk out of the door without checking for the millionth time whether I'd locked it, fuck it, I hardly ever remembered to lock it at all - presumably that's why people robbed my shit all the time! I didn't give a shit about what people thought of me any more, I didn't give a shit about how perfect my grades were any more, I didn't feel a deep-rooted need to satisfy anyone else, and I didn't obsess about my lovers any more - on the contrary, I didn't care about them at all. I didn't care about anyone. I was happy, because I did nothing but satisfy my mind's need to just stop thinking about the real world and how dangerous and scary it is. I also lived a crappy life, in a crappy room, with crappy people, with no money and no possessions. The idea of being capable of having a sex life was laughable.


What I'm talking about is extreme, so I'll quit with the scare stories. I just wanna stress to you that though ket works for a bit, it's easy to let it get really bad really fast. Shockingly fast. My life went from comparatively, pretty good, though it was difficult, to really shockingly shit in a matter of months. Just for some relief, to stop me acting so crazy all the time. Really, though, I was just crazy in a different way, I was just destroying myself instead.


Now that I don't take ket any more, dealing with things is certainly a lot harder than it was before I started taking it. I'm doing all that obsessive stuff all over again tenfold. I'm not exactly sane to say the least. I take to relationships like a duck to hot tar. I'm more depressed than before I started taking it. My ability to focus (without my current medication) is quite a lot worse than before I started taking it. My memory and general cognitive function is perma-fucked. Like engineercchad said, it renders your brain a quivering mass of gray mush in the end.


But now that I'm off it, it's actually possible to exist. Like a human being. So I check my pockets every 30 seconds to make sure nobody's stolen my stuff. Okay, everything I ever do has to be 100% perfect or I will freak the fuck out. So I can't listen to someone without repeatedly yanking myself back, trying to remember what it was they said. However, I have a house now. I have possessions. I care about shit. I produce some good work that I am really proud of (takes me a long time to get shit done, but it gets done). I actually get up in the morning for reasons other than to go and get drugs. Sometimes, it's not so bad that your mind goes 1000 miles a minute, and that everything has to be just-so. It's exhausting and time-consuming and miserable sometimes, you get burnt out pretty easily, but at least it's a life man. It's hard, yeah, it's really hard. But that's all the more reason to do it, isn't it? The escape that ket provides, even in low doses, just isn't a scratch on succeeding in real life. This is coming from someone that still craves it every day. I loved it more than real life, cause in k-land I could be whoever or whatever I wanted to be, I was a tiny speck in the universe. But unfortunately, real life is what we've got to make the best of. Do yourself a favour, and don't use ket as a crutch. Regardless of how infrequently you do it now. In my experience, the only people who are frustrated that it isn't routinely prescribed are precisely the kinds of people that would be more addicted to it if it was (myself included, I used to feel the same way as you).


So far, all that has really been effective to alleviate attention-deficit somewhat has been Concerta XL. It doesn't have any recreational benefit for me, which is great. Stimulants never really did, and I'm glad for that. If I'd have had the same love for stimulants as I did for Ketamine, or as I did for opiates (that's a whole other story, but you can imagine why it gave me the same sort of relief) my life would be a lot worse all over again. Like others have recommended, maybe try nootropics. They're cheaper than stimulant drugs, and from what I hear pretty effective. I've been considering them myself. Therapy sucks, I'll agree with you on that one, and it doesn't really help me deal with ADHD. But talk to people around here, there are plenty of ways to make things easier for yourself. I'm just starting my journey because I was disconnected from life for a long time, in many different ways. But now I wanna embrace it, make up for lost time.


We're not all screwed. We're just a little bit different.
 
It's sad, in general. Over 10 years ago, they were over-prescribing ADHD/ADD medication to children in elementary, resulting in zombie/suicidal 8 yr olds. Trying to make up for it--I guess.
 
It's sad, in general. Over 10 years ago, they were over-prescribing ADHD/ADD medication to children in elementary, resulting in zombie/suicidal 8 yr olds. Trying to make up for it--I guess.

I think that's the real problem ...for any of these disorders the docs are quick to prescribe certain addicting life altering pills to children .

i really feel things like adderall , Ritalin and other heavy pills should not be prescribed to kids unless it's a huge exception type thing (I cannot think of one) .
 
Eh. New disorder. New medication. We are only human--only bound to make mistakes. At least we are learning, in a sense. Parents and teachers are also partly to blame--not just the doctors and researchers.
 
^Agreed 100%. The truth is that all of us help to create this culture where we blindly follow "experts" and want a magic pill for everything that may be difficult or uncomfortable. We are losing more and more of our own ability to cope with and accept our own unique brains. What we need is faith in ourselves that we can actually change and adapt quite a bit where we need to.
 
Strattera has demonstrated effectiveness for ADHD, as has bupropion, guanfacine, clonidine...
these meds take longer to take effect sometimes but once they do they stay effective. plus they are virtually unabusable.
wide variety of alternative pharmaceutical treatments besides stimulants like amphetamine or methylphenidate/dexmethylphenidate.
 
I apparently have ADD. I've taken meds under the supervision of a doctor: Ritalin, and Adderall/Dexedrine. I took them in low doses, as prescribed, and never took more than 15mg of either. I once tried sniffing some crushed up Ritalin and I didn't really get a "high" from it but it made me feel as though I was sick with allergies mainly because of the drip, or at times during the night I would feel as though the medication was working for me, and then all of a sudden it would just stop working; but I took it this way in the summer and stayed up reading books. Adderall/Dexedrine worked for me but I did not like the side effects I had with it, or how I would sometimes fall asleep on both meds. I have never used meth either crystal meth that people make, or Desoxyn, and I do not want to.

I did not become a "zombie" while on meds or suicidal from them, and neither have most people I know who are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and on meds. ADD/ADHD is a real disorder or diagnosis, and it does exist.

I have had long periods of time when I'm not on meds and I just drink moderate or high doses of caffeine. This sort of works but it's way too easy to drink too much and get distracted by things, and I sometimes have lots of trouble concentrating on things but I find that making a list and completing one task at a time, and concentrating on only that task, and time management help a lot.
 
Oh, and mushrooms and ketamine do cure OCD for months at a time with a single use. Too bad they are also banned. Figures. Stuff that works = don't let them have it. Just give them garbage that neutralizes their sex life and makes them feel no emotions at all.

I really hate this planet.

One day, freedom will be free again.
 
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