U.S. Federal Mandatory Minimums and MDMA, MDA and MDEA

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Curious_George

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I know that 1 pill used to be considered 100 mg of MDMA as far as sentencing guidelines go and that 75 mg of MDA was considered to be equal to 100 mg MDMA and that 125 mg MDEA was considered equal to 100 mg MDMA, but now that MDMA carries a mandatory minimum (500 grams equals 5 years federal time and greater than 800 grams equals 10 years), what about MDA?
Does 150 grams of MDA equal 5 years and 600 grams of MDA equal 10 years, or does MDA carry no mandatory minimums at the present time in the U.S.?
 
I was thinking that it was how many pills you had on you that mattered.One pill up to one year in jail.In new york we have The Rockfeller drug laws with mandatory drug sentancing guidelines.Are you talking about crystal form of mda? My question is how would they "govt" decide what changes would be brought against you is it the weight or how many you can make with it? How can they tell how much each pill should have not all pills are the same.So in short what are the sentencing guildlines for crstal form of mda or mde or mdma.
~Chops Bklyn N.Y.
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I have recently been charged federally with Conspiracy to distribute marijuana/coke/and ecstasy. They found the figure on the amount of ecstasy in the charge by testing some pills that were recovered by another individual in the conspiracy. Those pills had nothing to do with me, but they tested them to find that they only had 70mg's of MDMA in them (yes the DEA or FBI can test pills to find quantity). So they used 70mg's and multiplied by the number of pills.
 
Originally posted by living in solitude:
hey Conspiracy Kid, how many years are you facing and how long did they investigate before they arrested everyone, if you don't mind me asking?
Their investigation started on jan 2000 and we were picked up at the very end of june 2001 (15 of us).
The charge (manditory minimum)is 10 years to life, but since so many of my co-conspirators decided to try to blame me for everything, I decided to let the government know what my involvement was (with only those who were indicted). Since I was one who was not violent and others were, I get to plea it down to only distribution of 1200 pills (only one transaction out of many)... With that it is a federal level 16 and would fall under 21 to 27 months in a fed pin... I do get other bonuses for cooperating (as they call it) and I am hopefully looking at probation...
I also have immunity from anything I told them about myself and that is why I can speak freely on here about those things...
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conspiracy kid:
you say you were a level 16. a good good friend of mine is looking at a level 5, i believe. so is the higher the number the lesser sentance you can get??
basiclly i am just curious for my friend, they are still going through the court action, and all. so basiclly just asking them myself is a very touchy subject. i am not gonna walk up to them and say hey man what are you looking at?.
so is a level 5 (federal) really really bad?
casper
 
Casper..
http://www.ussc.gov/general/GLOVRWB.PDF (adobe acrobat file).. (if you dont have it, you can get the acrobat reader from www.adobe.com ) (though im sure you do)..
anyways..
I dont know if this is the most current revision, but this pdf file explains how the levels are figured out..
so basically
it starts from level 1 (least/smallest offense) and builds up from there.. So level 5 is alot better then a level 16.. + its a first time offense .... barring any entanglement with "manditory min's" in your state, your friend will probably get a slap on the wrist provided he/she has the $$$ to get there.
 
For a first time offender, levels 1 through 8 all say 0 to 6 months which in the federal system usually means either 6 months in a halfway house then probation, or house arrest or even just probation. It all depends on the specifics of the case and also what side of the bed that the judge woke up on that morning :)
 
Originally posted by DrGonzoESQ:
Yep, that's about right.
thank you for all of your responces... here is the whole deal in a nut shell....
not gonna name any names, but i will try and make the best of it.
supposedlly my friend is facing charges which puts him at a group level 5 on the federal system.
his lawyer has told him that he is looking at 30-60 months in a fed pin.....(this is what got my eyebrow raised) thought that was high for a level 5.
so now does this mean that his lawyer is fucking with him to scare him?
basiclly the chargers pending are the same as conspiracy kid, only change the number to 500 instead of 1200!
casper
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Originally posted by Conspiracy Kid:

I also have immunity from anything I told them about myself and that is why I can speak freely on here about those things...
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Just curious, who'd you flip on? No offense, but if you flipped- you better hope you don't end up inside... gonna be rough.
doc
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Originally posted by Dr.groveller:
Just curious, who'd you flip on? No offense, but if you flipped- you better hope you don't end up inside... gonna be rough.
doc
I told them what they wanted to know about 2 people in my case that had already rolled on me -- the feds could not proove any of their information, so they get what they deserve. And don't worry, it was a group decision with those who I was involved with to do what I did -- pleanty of back.
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i think its all in the same boat bro.
I heard of a kid who sold 1 gram of powder to an undercover and got 5 years federally. Though whether they charge you federally can be in terms of the amount or how it was done (interstate, use of commercial vehicle, etc...).
Its all the same- too much time.
 
Originally posted by Curious_George:
Nobody answered my question.
if i am not mistaken, it is not gonna matter whether you have MDA, MDMA, MDEA. Hell they could be 50% MDMA 50% Speed...
i believe when it is federal and i know here in IL, they go by how many you have, not how much miligrams of each in each...they go by count and total weight!
if they went by MG of each then wouldn't that mean they would have to extract LSD from the paper, when you get caught with sheets of LSD.?
years ago i knew someone who got 4 years federal for 4 sheets of LSD!
casper
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Originally posted by La_casper:

if i am not mistaken, it is not gonna matter whether you have MDA, MDMA, MDEA. Hell they could be 50% MDMA 50% Speed...
i believe when it is federal and i know here in IL, they go by how many you have, not how much miligrams of each in each...they go by count and total weight!
if they went by MG of each then wouldn't that mean they would have to extract LSD from the paper, when you get caught with sheets of LSD.?
years ago i knew someone who got 4 years federal for 4 sheets of LSD!
casper
OK, I will try to answer the MDXX question along with the LSD one.
The federal sentencing guideline handbook lists the following about LSD
In the case of LSD on a carrier medium (e.g., a sheet of blotter paper), do not use the weight of the LSD/carrier medium. Instead, treat each dose of LSD on the carrier medium as equal to 0.4 mg of LSD for the purposes of the Drug Quantity Table.
Now, as far as a case that involves MDXX, they will first try to use pills involved with that case and GC/MS test those for amounts... If they find multiple active substances in a pill they apply this --- (A) Unless otherwise specified, the weight of a controlled substance set forth in the table refers to the entire weight of any mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of the controlled substance. If a mixture or substance contains more than one controlled substance, the weight of the entire mixture or substance is assigned to the controlled substance that results in the greater offense level.
I can only make an assumption on the difference between MDMA, MDEA, and MDA. It stems from this --- when ever someone is federally charged with more than one type of illegal drug, they convert the amounts to a "marijuana equivalency". On the drug equivalency table they provide, 1 gram of MDMA, MDA, and MDEA are = to 500 grams of marijuana. Meaning to me that they are treated exactly the same.
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