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Stimulants Turning Into an Emotionless Robot on Adderall

Juice.

Juice.

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This is something that I've been wondering about for a long time. Most of the time amphetamine increases my sense of humor, makes me wittier, increases my ability to empathize with people, and in general ups my emotions. But there are times when I get into a certain "zone" where I become emotionless and unable to express myself efficiently in normal social situations.

For example, someone makes a hilarious comment, and in my mind I can sense that it's funny, but I let out a cold and insincere laugh. My voice turns monotone. People ask me "whats wrong" because I have a stern look on my face. I usually feel incredibly content and satisfied while I'm in this zone, but people tend to think I'm in a bad mood.

Has anyone else experienced this? It doesn't appear to be dictated by the dose I take. I can take doses as low as 15mg or as high as 100mg and encounter this issue on occasion. Based on my experiences it's activated in these situations: A. When I hang out with the same person or group of people for too long. And B. When I adderoll alone for awhile, and than attempt to socialize. So basically, whenever I'm not constantly interacting with various people I'm at risk of becoming robotic. Once I am in this "zone" it is difficult to get out of.

Has anyone else experienced this?
 
^What would u say is a ood dosage of dexedrine? Is 35mg divided into three doses a good idea? Also how much time in b/w is best?

Can u discuss this with ur doctor? Mine usually has answers for my issues. If not, find a better one.

Amphetamines are tricky. You need to experiment with the guidance of a good doctor on what's best.
 
Juice. said:
For example, someone makes a hilarious comment, and in my mind I can sense that it's funny, but I let out a cold and insincere laugh. My voice turns monotone. People ask me "whats wrong" because I have a stern look on my face. I usually feel incredibly content and satisfied while I'm in this zone, but people tend to think I'm in a bad mood.
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Fucking YES! I hated going out with friends and having this happen, but my friend there are ways around this!



1) Make sure you're well hydrated
2) Get a small amount of alcohol in your system. (1 beer or a shot or something)
3) Take your first dose of adderall
4) Take another hit of alcohol.
5) Dose adderall again.
Rinse and repeat (Obviously don't exceed your limits on either drug -_- [Since alcohol does not fuck with motor function as much on speed, it's best to stay at the amount that keeps you from that ewwy, sickly comedown])

You won't notice the speed fading if you do it right.

Regardless you want to drink a little if you start to have symptoms of anxiety or depression while coming off. If the alcohol is already working in your system it should cover the bad effects.


Now if you do it right, you should not feel a come down. No anxiety, in fact the comedown should actually feel better than the actual drug itself. Know that this combination is, in fact an art. Your timing is everything and it's different for everyone. Please be safe and drink plenty of water. If you do it right, it will give you my favorite drug induced social-persona. Thanks for reading

-Renz
 
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Z Y G G Y said:
^What would u say is a good dosage of dexedrine? Is 35mg divided into three doses a good idea? Also how much time in b/w is best?

Can u discuss this with ur doctor? Mine usually has answers for my issues. If not, find a better one.
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I normally take 10mg to 20mg IR of dextro-amphetamine, at once, normally just 10mg per dosage. Some people would rather use 5mg per dosage if they are more sensitive to it.

35mg over 3 dosages is fine, this is around what I normally take.

If you are ADHD like me, I would space it out one to three tablets per day, while still taking entire days-off breaks, at least one to two of them per week.

For non-ADHD people, you want to use it less often. I still get great effects from dextro-amphetamine, although people without ADHD tend to build a tolerance to dextro-amphetamine faster. I have seen people start with a normal dosage, then take it compulsively to the point where they are taking 10 times that of what I would normally take.

Amphetamine indirectly releases dopamine and norepinephrine. If you continually use amphetamine without breaks, the dopamine and norepinephrine vesicles won't come back before you take more - then when you take more, whatever has started re-accumulating will be released.

What little is released is often "not enough" or doesn't feel up to par with the previous effects. This leads users to continue to escalate their tolerance, instead of giving their mind and body a break from the substance.

What is an ideal timeline for waiting in-between dosages? I would estimate, for someone who isn't ADHD but who has also never had a previous meth-amphetamine or amphetamine habit, to try to stick to one to three dosages per week.

This is a good amount of time, and you will generally get good results this way.

Some people might need an entire week off before the full effects return, others might be able to use it more frequently to mostly full effects.

If you have had a problem with amphetamine/methamphetamine (or maybe even MDMA, or other amphetamine derived drugs) then you may need even longer breaks.
 
Nice post cpt. H.

In my experience, cycling dextro-amphetamine has let me have good effects. If I need to study or I'm using it as a social tool, taking a slowly increasing dose over a week and then slowly tapering off has kept me from becoming dependent, and I still can have great d-amp buzzes (aka sober with benefits) without having to resort to breaking anything over 50mg.

Now as for vyvanse, it's just a different story entirely. That pro-drug is unpredictable.
 
Renz Envy said:
1) Make sure you're well hydrated
2) Get a small amount of alcohol in your system. (1 beer or a shot or something)
3) Take your first dose of adderall
4) Take another hit of alcohol.
5) Dose adderall again.
Rinse and repeat (Obviously don't exceed your limits on either drug -_- [Since alcohol does not fuck with motor function as much on speed, it's best to stay at the amount that keeps you from that ewwy, sickly comedown])

You won't notice the speed fading if you do it right.

Regardless you want to drink a little if you start to have symptoms of anxiety or depression while coming off. If the alcohol is already working in your system it should cover the bad effects.


Now if you do it right, you should not feel a come down. No anxiety, in fact the comedown should actually feel better than the actual drug itself. Know that this combination is, in fact an art. Your timing is everything and it's different for everyone. Please be safe and drink plenty of water. If you do it right, it will give you my favorite drug induced social-persona. Thanks for reading

-Renz
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I don't like this idea. Here's an example of how combining ethanol and amphetamine (in the rat model) react to create 1,3-dimethyl-tetrahydroisoquinoline.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=5462809&postcount=17


Both ethanol and amphetamine are going to dehydrate the user. Additionally, ethanol is going to reduce amphetamine's CNS stimulation as ethanol is a CNS depressant.

The NMDA antagonism of ethanol is not going to be beneficial enough to really cause that great of a difference in effects, so I would recommend not using ethanol and amphetamine together.

Also, when you say...

Regardless you want to drink a little if you start to have symptoms of anxiety or depression while coming off. If the alcohol is already working in your system it should cover the bad effects.
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Ethanol is not a proper anxiolytic medication for many reasons. For one, it can increase anxiety/depression drastically, almost in a paradoxical reaction sort of way, although, based on how many unhappy drunks I have come across in life, I almost sort of thing being a happy drunk would be the paradoxical reaction.

Ethanol amplifies emotions to the point where people who are upset and start drinking normally end up extremely upset. Sure, this isn't going to always happen. Sometimes people go into drinking upset and end up happy. However, I don't think relying on ethanol for anxiolytic effects is a smart idea.

Using dextroamphetamine by itself, the comedown is just as euphoric as the drug is to me. I normally have next-day afterglow from dextroamphetamine. I don't think using ethanol would increase euphoria during or after the dextroamphetamine.

In fact, the most recent (1 to 2 years ago) experiences I have had with ethanol is that it tends to reduce the euphoria from other drugs I would take beforehand. For this reason I have stopped using ethanol at all. It seems to be better for me to completely avoid it.

You may find this combo works wonderfully - I just wouldn't expect everyone else to as well. I know I wouldn't enjoy this combination at all.

In all fairness, I am glad it works well for you, I just don't think recommending it to others is particularly responsible. It's up to other people to make their decisions for themselves of course - and I do appreciate you pointed out to stay hydrated as your #1 thing you said. That is the most important part here, that and to not "overdo" this combo (in terms of boosting one or the other chemical to a very high dosage without gradually easing it up).

Renz Envy said:
Now as for vyvanse, it's just a different story entirely. That pro-drug is unpredictable.
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I have never tried it - I find it's pretty unpredictable too for the other people I know in life who have tried it. I'm not sure why - but one person I know said it made them feel depressed (one 70mg capsule of vyvanse) - they have never complained about dextro-amphetamine by itself.

I enjoyed reading your posts too though, even though I would never try ethanol + d-amp as a combination, I appreciate learning about unique pharmacodynamics as it pertains to the individual. :)
 
I have experienced this, feeling fake sucks indeed. For me, 30 mg adderall is my maximum, any more and I shred my gums.
 
adderall has always done that to me, but i was perscribed 20mg xr 100mg seems like a lot. so i could see that making it so much worse.
 
Great posts Captain H. One question, if you take breaks from amps and use a small dose of opiates on the off days, will it cause the same problems with mood/emotions (dopamine etc.) that amps do? Or is it different receptors?
 
they're different receptors i believe.

i know that it doesnt affect epinephrine, just not sure about the dopamine.
 
i really enjoyed adderall for quite a long time. After a while, all of the positive effects disappeared, just as you mentioned. I was taking up t0 300 mg at a time with barely any effect except a perpetually pervasive need to masturbate.
 
Scheduled said:
i really enjoyed adderall for quite a long time. After a while, all of the positive effects disappeared, just as you mentioned. I was taking up t0 300 mg at a time with barely any effect except a perpetually pervasive need to masturbate.
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HAHAHA! I just try to be honest with myself and realize that if I can eat only 10 mg's on Sundays, I am doing well for the week. I did experience the robot syndrome you describe regularly but, after the last few years of pretty much daily clinical trials, have correlated it to higher single doses in periods when I have been taking less regularly. This also tends to happen more when I am well rested as the amp's have more neurotransmitters to 'release'. I think Amp's have brought out an underlying bi-polar disorder, but are also a successful way to treat it. Maybe not, but as the self medicating seems to work, I will just keep telling myself that.
 
newbie22 said:
Great posts Captain H. One question, if you take breaks from amps and use a small dose of opiates on the off days, will it cause the same problems with mood/emotions (dopamine etc.) that amps do? Or is it different receptors?
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Opiates indirectly increase dopamine via a g-coupled protein receptor (mu-opioid subtype 1). Dextroamphetamine effects this receptor. Yes they are different receptors. But they both effect dopamine.

However if you aren't taking so many days off that you won't get addicted to opiates, then I think one could do just that. I use buprenorphine every day, so it doesn't negatively effect my mood.

A full agonist opiate would be fine to use on your days off, as long as you don't get dependent on it. Some people might use other stuff like a benzo, but it's really up to you. Just be careful not to get dependent on the other drug and you should be fine.

Ideally you won't need a drug every day, but I don't think it would be disastrous to want to use something every day like cannabis, if you weren't using other drugs.
 
lmfao enjoy your levoamphetamine counterpart I hated that shit i prefer Vyvanse over Adderal XR ... atleast moodwise. When I took addy i'd stfu and pay attention to everything, vyvanse makes me blab my ass off for hours. These different results from each have been very consistent, so it's gotta be the levo.
 
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