Opioids Trying to quit everything, need help.

[potatodaddyHater2]

Heres the situation, i am fairly knowledgeable about MOST opiates, but ive gotten 12 Suboxone/naloxone subs. 8mg and 2mg. They dissolve under the tongue, those. I have been using opiates almost everyday for about 7 months now, quit before, started back, same old story i know. I take about 130-250mg a day, i know thats a HUGE margin, lets say about 3 times a day, on average about 180mg a day. I have never shot anything up my arms, i have always taken hydros or oxys, few roxys now and then. Last dose was 10 minutes ago, 80mg of hydro 10s. Ive taken 160 total today, i know the APAP is too high, shouldve only taken 12 to keep it under the 4,000mg MAX recommended. ANyways, i have 1 half a miligram of xanax, which i have been taking about 1mg for the last 21 days exact. I want to quit that as well, ive done it before and it was HELL, but ive never had a huge problem with benzos, just opiates. The habit in summation: 3 doses of opiates, at an average of 190mg a day of just pills. Benzos: 2 to 3 doses a day at an average of 1mg a day for last 21 days, i was clean for 6 months prior to that. I suffered a seizure last time i quit benzos and opiates together, cold turkey, that was a 4 year habit on the opiates and 2 year habit on benzos, point being, i took ALOT more benzos when i had a seizure, im pretty sure im safe from that this time around, since its been only 21 days with minimal usage.

My question is this: i have little experience with subs, and i have 12 8mg subs, i doses my LAST opiates 10 minutes ago. What should i do now? Wait until i feel sick in the morning to dose the Subs? If so, how much should i dose, and how often should i dose? Usually, i stay sick for 3 days on opiates, benzos is like 4 to 5 days tops. I recover fairly quickly from benzos. Does anyone here have any experience, knowledge as to let me know how to administer these Subs and 1 half mg of xanax i have? I can get more xanax if i HAVE to, but im going to try not to. My plan as of now, if no one here can help me, is to take 4mg sub tomorrow morning, then another 4 tomorrow night. repeat for 3 days and then throw away any subs i have left, dont need them after im done with the WDs. as for the benzos, i think it will take about 5 days to get right, so im going to save my half until day 4, maybe 5 to take that. My cousin is a doctor and he said seizures usually occur on day 6 for benzos, unless the habit if extreme. Last time, i had a seizure on day 6 of opiate WDs and day 2 of benzos, weird i know...im thinking the seizure may have resulted from opiates, not the benzos, which is rare, but possible. Anyways, I really REALLY badly want to be sober, i am young and my habit has been bad in terms of usage but not long, per say. I have used opiates on and off for about 6 years now, its time to stop for good. I stopped 8 months ago, cold turkey, with nothing. Started back and now im back here. Last time, i only quit because i was forced to, so i figured id try to manage my addiction since im a VERY high functioning addict, i run 5 businesses, very well at that, but lately, the opiate usage has gotten too much, i cant run my business and take these, i realize now that i HAVE to be clean, or i will quickly fade from my early 20s to late 40s and become a user for life. I am young, again, so i think i can still change and i want to change for myself and my family. HELP ME!! tell me what to do and how i should use these subs, any reactions with benzos? besides the breathing concerns. I have tried tapering, didnt work, i cant control it well enough, i CAN taper benzos though, but at 21 days, i feel a taper may just increase my habit from 21 days to like over a month, so why not stop now? any advice would be helpful, thanks. If i posted this in the wrong forum, forgive me. Ive been feeling really depressed as well lately, not sure if its the benzos doing that, they have before, or what, but i want to quit everything for good.
----concerned soon to be ex-addict. lol

 

[Venrak]

Basic -> OD

 

[charlie-horse]

i have no personal experiance on quiting but i think the best idea is to talk to someone about it (family or close freinds)but all in all i wish you the best luck on your road to recovery and if your really want to quit deep down than i think you should be alright. Good luck mate!

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[mydrugbuddy]

tldr but im in a simillar situation

you have to proirotise though you can cut down several things simulataneusly

i originally had opiates at the top of my list, but recently benzos have been casung me a lot of very serious problems, so they are currently priority number 1. im down from 50 mg of etizolam per day to 15mg. I think it'll be quite easy to continue until i reach 6 or 7mg. They were doing fuck all to help me sleep, but it took this here thick head months to realise that. So now im just after the anxiolytic buzz, where less is more, and 15 does the job just as well as 50.

opis are gonna be very very hard. Stims might be quite easy ( i think its mainly boredom that triggers them for me, though of course they're always useful when youve not slept and feeling like shit. It'll be hard to stay off them in situations like that)

Good luck. Make a plan. It will change as you go a long. But having a long term dosage taper plan written down soeweher does help IME,.

Find out what doses of evvrything you take that you feel stable on. Buy a diary. Then start tapering at your own pace, but keep a note of it in your diary. You can the see hoe far youve come.

Unfortunately for me I've several times come down to very low doses of benzos or opis only for usgae to spiral ridiculupsly out of control again for some reason. This has happened time after time. I think "fate" has given me a final warning ragrding benzos now though, so im taking that taper very seriosly with great determinationm.

MDPV had me in its hooks for about 6 months. Eventually the massive acceleration in the deterioation of my physical and mental health and all the scare stories helped me knock that on the head. I went ftom weeken binging, to daily, back to weekend, then fortnightly, then monthly, then quarterly, then onve every six months, till finall now - NEVER AGAIN - I don't wanna die at 42 and be found with porn on my pc and my trousers round my ankles. (Cringes with embarresment)

Again I think that "fate" told me to stop taking PV. I felt worse every time i took it, and the palpitations were scaring the shit out of me. I was using it as an aphrodoisiac so when you find that final cimactic scene your bpm goes even more off the scale. What a pathetic way to die that would have been.

My tombstone might have read "Here lies a true Wanker" lol.

 

[flyhighk]

I think you should get off benzos first. Keep your opioid habit stable. Do not increase nor decrease doses. Focus on benzos. Taper very slowly until you get completely off of them. Then you can focus on tapering opioids. Trying to get off both drugs at the same time will just result in failure imo. Your liver is prob already damaged from all that apap, I suggest getting NAC from any supplement store. It will help keeping a healthy liver. hope this helped

 

[potatodaddyHater2]

I think you should get off benzos first. Keep your opioid habit stable. Do not increase nor decrease doses. Focus on benzos. Taper very slowly until you get completely off of them. Then you can focus on tapering opioids. Trying to get off both drugs at the same time will just result in failure imo. Your liver is prob already damaged from all that apap, I suggest getting NAC from any supplement store. It will help keeping a healthy liver. hope this helped

thanks, whats NAC? Here is the update, took one sub this morning, feel allright so far, sort of tired but nothing too bad. Ive been moving all day. Apatite is good, no runny rose after taking the sub so thats good. Im thinking about getting 2 blue xanaxs, I think i should at least get down to .5 a day before i quit altogether, that way it will give me 4 days longer to get off opiates, prevent the xanax and opiate withdrawal simultaneously. posting on here is honestly making me feel optimistic.

 

[potatodaddyHater2]

I do have a diary, well its all on my phone. i have the data from every dose i have taken in the last year. Ive tapered down only to start back, i cant control it enough to taper thats why when i saw an opportunity to get subs, i jumped on it and now plan on using them wisely. If anyone has more knowledge about those to my specific situation, please help me with that. ive searched the internet only to find tid bits of information pertaining to me, Im already having trouble concentrating, i cant spell as well, head is fuzzy, thats benzo WD kicking it. overall though, im pretty decent. took a few days off work too, home with family and friends so i should be fine if all goes well.

 

[flyhighk]

Nac is n acetyl l cysteine
Basically it protects your liver from too much apap... Doesn't mean you can take more of it

 

[MartinFn]

Hey potato,
just wanna wish you good luck and be strong. Quitting is the best you can do. Quit and stay healthy and sober, man...%).


MartinFn

 

[sleepmogul]

Hey hey potato - this is a few months down the line and I am seriously hoping things have gone your way. Clean and sober isn't easy, but I still think it is a battle worth waging. My biggest problems have always been with sleep. I'm like a chronic insomniac or something. Since the RX drug path is a super-slippery slope for me, I decided to try to learn all I could about natural alternatives. Here's my formula for sleep success, assuming you gave up on the benzos.

1. Only use your bedroom for sleep and sex. No TV! No cell phone!
2. A warm bath or shower about 30 minutes before retiring
3. A warm cup of milk (kind of gross at first, but you do start to like it after a bit) right after the bath
4. A guided meditation to help induce drowsiness

You can also use a natural sleep remedy like melatonin, valerian root, rescue remedy, or a food-based cure (my choice, given my history). There is some good info about those at http://naturalsleepformula.net.

Good luck and hang in there. Work your program if you went that route, like I did.

 

[Josh9008]

Your post kinda of confused me are you trying to quit opiates mainly? are you done with the benzos? or are you on both trying to quit both at the same time? If you are still using benzos are they prescribed by a doctor? this would be a very complex detox from both at the same time. I've quit cold turkey like you before from 120 xan bar/month habit and around 3-4 OC 80s at the time with 34mg dilaudid as well. You're correct not to do it again.

 

[dankplantgrower]

Josh this thread is from August^ its just some asshole coming in to peddle his sleep website. "sleepmogul"

 

[Josh9008]

Oh shit I'm sorry I saw it at the top of the page right below the sticky, me bad... I'm new poster to site I'll be more mindful of when the last post is in threads. Thanks dank

 

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