Hey folks. Just got prescribed buprenorphine and klonopin after having me being prescribed diazepam for years. Anyways… I’m coming off a few month oxy binge and I’m having fairly bad physical withdrawals but more so psychological issues and cravings. Not even for oxy because recently it has been giving me anxiety while curving my cravings but now buprenorphine because that gives me a more relaxed craving curve. I have been prescribed colonodine, gabbapenton, baclofen lunesta, remeron, and ketamine too. One of my ex fentanyl addict friends recommended kratom but I’ve only tried it a few times when I was completely opiate intolerant and had a very nauseous and itchy experience. Any advice? Haven’t been able to stay opiate or Bup free for more then about 4 days these past few weeks. Any advice or even experience would be much appreciated.
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Buprenorphine, clonazepam, gabapentin, baclofen, eszopiclone, and ketamine.... 
Damn, I'm jealous of your prescriptions! I mean, also though, besides the stuff you mentioned I hope you're not suffering too much for whatever conditions you have that lead to your being prescribed all that stuff.
Honestly I would say you'd be best to avoid kratom by the sounds of it, it is an opioid, even if a fairly mild one, and carries much of the same addiction and habituation and potential-for-withdrawal risks as other opioids even if - again - to a lesser extent, so you're not really going to help yourself in the long term considering that you are still taking buprenorphine. It would be different if you weren't prescribed all that other stuff and were just cold turkeying or trying to switch directly from a harder opiate but kratom interacts with a lot of stuff and almost certainly is just going to throw a spanner in the works as far as your recovery.
Actually I just realised I'm a bit unclear about some of the stuff you said, do you actually mean you're prescribed all that stuff currently? Or you were just prescribed it in the past?
Also - you mention trying to stay buprenorphine-free, but you have also just been prescribed buprenorphine? Surely if you've just been prescribed it you don't necessarily need to come off it right away because you are already getting professional assistance and a solid pharmaceutical opioid to ease your withdrawal from oxycodone? Or do I misunderstand something?
Anyway I'd still say by the sounds of it you don't need to throw another opioid in the mix right away, maybe after a bit longer away from harder opiates and maybe when you're off or down to a very low dose of buprenorphine and planning to get off it entirely, if you're still feeling not quite right you could reconsider, but right now I can't see much good coming from getting into kratom honestly.
Damn, I'm jealous of your prescriptions! I mean, also though, besides the stuff you mentioned I hope you're not suffering too much for whatever conditions you have that lead to your being prescribed all that stuff.Honestly I would say you'd be best to avoid kratom by the sounds of it, it is an opioid, even if a fairly mild one, and carries much of the same addiction and habituation and potential-for-withdrawal risks as other opioids even if - again - to a lesser extent, so you're not really going to help yourself in the long term considering that you are still taking buprenorphine. It would be different if you weren't prescribed all that other stuff and were just cold turkeying or trying to switch directly from a harder opiate but kratom interacts with a lot of stuff and almost certainly is just going to throw a spanner in the works as far as your recovery.
Actually I just realised I'm a bit unclear about some of the stuff you said, do you actually mean you're prescribed all that stuff currently? Or you were just prescribed it in the past?
Also - you mention trying to stay buprenorphine-free, but you have also just been prescribed buprenorphine? Surely if you've just been prescribed it you don't necessarily need to come off it right away because you are already getting professional assistance and a solid pharmaceutical opioid to ease your withdrawal from oxycodone? Or do I misunderstand something?
Anyway I'd still say by the sounds of it you don't need to throw another opioid in the mix right away, maybe after a bit longer away from harder opiates and maybe when you're off or down to a very low dose of buprenorphine and planning to get off it entirely, if you're still feeling not quite right you could reconsider, but right now I can't see much good coming from getting into kratom honestly.
Exercise and eating healthy. Also keeping your mind busy. I got a part time job and volunteer with an organization that supplies clean rigs and narcan to homeless people and it's kept me busy. I'm not shooting my hydromorph anymore and that's why, I'm to busy to dwell on it.
Yes currently prescribed all listed! The reason I’m so weary about starting buprenorphine again is because in the past I have been on up to 16mgs daily for months at a time and I’m scared to become increasingly dependent again not just because it was the longest detox I’ve ever done but also most painful, granted I didn’t titrate which would have made it easier I believe in hindsight. I guess right now it’s trying to get clean and then once that is achieved which I have done many times it’s now staying clean. Thank you for your responsesBuprenorphine, clonazepam, gabapentin, baclofen, eszopiclone, and ketamine....
Honestly I would say you'd be best to avoid kratom by the sounds of it, it is an opioid, even if a fairly mild one, and carries much of the same addiction and habituation and potential-for-withdrawal risks as other opioids even if - again - to a lesser extent, so you're not really going to help yourself in the long term considering that you are still taking buprenorphine. It would be different if you weren't prescribed all that other stuff and were just cold turkeying or trying to switch directly from a harder opiate but kratom interacts with a lot of stuff and almost certainly is just going to throw a spanner in the works as far as your recovery.
Actually I just realised I'm a bit unclear about some of the stuff you said, do you actually mean you're prescribed all that stuff currently? Or you were just prescribed it in the past?
Also - you mention trying to stay buprenorphine-free, but you have also just been prescribed buprenorphine? Surely if you've just been prescribed it you don't necessarily need to come off it right away because you are already getting professional assistance and a solid pharmaceutical opioid to ease your withdrawal from oxycodone? Or do I misunderstand something?
Anyway I'd still say by the sounds of it you don't need to throw another opioid in the mix right away, maybe after a bit longer away from harder opiates and maybe when you're off or down to a very low dose of buprenorphine and planning to get off it entirely, if you're still feeling not quite right you could reconsider, but right now I can't see much good coming from getting into kratom honestly.
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I don’t know man. I wouldn’t worry about getting addicted to but right now. But is safe, effective, and regulated. You know what you’re taking. You know what you’re facing. Your cravings could lead you to very dangerous places. You’ve spent a lot of time kicking. Why not just take some time off the kick and try to get a base line going. Then when you’re ready to kick the buprenorphien do it! But it wouldn’t be so bad to just give yourself two weeks - month of just relaxing and not being stressed as fuck. Kick it in a month and take a load off
Whats your current dose for oxy? DO NOT TAKE 16mg or even 8mg...just take 4mg or better yet try 2 or 3mg..I swear it's all you need and will help keep you clean until you are ready to jump.
You have a hefty bag of tricks for WD I suggest only taking the bare minimum for bupe. They over prescribe the crap out of it..probably why it was so damn painful and of course bc you did not taper..take lowest dose that works for you bro! And Baclofen helps my mental cravings if all I have is 1mg bupe and say I can't get benzos and feel my mind and body dying for it, I usually go with one 10mg baclofen, a half or even a sliver of gabapentin AND mother nature's WEED.
YOU GOT THIS! BEEN THERE DONE THAT, YOU CAN HANDLE IT AGAIN! . Take care and have a great 4th!
Thank you for saying that man I know I’m super hard on myself and been through countless detoxes so having any physical dependence on anything these days scares me.. but a break from beating myself up would be nice
I am transitioning from 60-90mg of oxy daily… i waited 3 days before bup so no precip w/ds. I started buprenorphine (subutex)(no narcan for those who don’t know) 3 days ago (it’s the end of day 3 as I write this) and day one got away with 0.75mg of bup total, day two 1mg total and as I’m writing this it’s the end of the day 3 and I’m taking 0.375mg of bup which will get me to 0.875mg today. My doctor wants me to take 2nd for 4 days and then go down 12.5% every 4 days so by the end of this month I’m off. But he is also like bro just stay on for a while and get some time together I just have judgment around me when it comes to bup (my family literally would rather me on blues)… anyways yea that’s the situation.. I do have baclofen as well and thank you so much for the advice and encouragement.
I guess do you think it would be better to just taper now or give myself a few months to chill and not be craving and bugging all day/start some new healthy habits and routines or do I just suck it up and do the taper. It’s my choice doc says. Also iboga…
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I’m a proponent of anything that will get you clean. If you’re at the end of your discipline. Can’t stand being sick every day. Just way past your breaking point ready to go out and buy some fucking drugs; then it’s probably best to take a break from the discipline regimen and just stick it out on a maintenance dose for a bit.
My personal experience. Five year daily and evening heroin habit. Stopped for three days on willpower alone. My will broke and I stayed on heroin for a year. Kicked with alcohol once. Became a raging alcoholic drinking a half bottle for breakfast and the other half through the day. Then I had to kick alcohol and ended up back on heroin. Went from heroin to suboxone with a precip withdrawal episode. Ended up snorting 7 subs one every five minutes until the buprenorphine occupied the receptor. It took three hours. Three hours of hot iron being pulled out of every cell of my body. Stayed on bupe for a month. Switched to kratom extracts. Stayed on kratom for two years eventually switching to powder. Just kicked kratom about three months ago. Have been relapsing into kratom almost constantly. Longest I’ve gotten was two weeks. Right now I’m at five days. But I think of myself as having been clean from junk for two years. Might be three now.
The point I’m making is whatever you choose to do at this point. Let it be a choice that takes you further away from active misery. If staying on subs for a month lets you not be miserable: craving, sick, ready to buy dope. Then that’s what you need to do. If you’re sick of subs. Switch to kratom. Just don’t move up the ladder. Take steps down.
You don’t have to get off opioids all at once. You can take as much time as you need. Just reduce the harm you’re causing yourself. Love yourself. Recognize when you need time to recouperate so that you can fight another day.
I’ve found this battle isn’t won all at once.
Junk lives on in your mind long after your last dose.
I’ve been relapsing on kratom and 7oh.
That’s a lot safer of a relapse in my mind than picking up some blues.
If buprenorphine is a safe repose for you. Then be reposed. Fight on.
When you’re ready you can face the demon.
Steel your spirit. Know the battle.
Fight it when the odds are with you.
Appreciate all of that. I’m super interested in kratom and a good friend of mine told me he got off subs with the extracts as well! I guess my biggest worry about getting back on bupe is withdrawal, length and pain wise… how does kratom compare physically and emotionally? Not a fan of the unknown and I guess the dosing scares me since it seems inconsistent with all the regulations and my inexperience with it.
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Kratom is its own nightmare. The kick builds in severity over six days and on the seventh day it gets a bit better and continues improving while still being sick for about two weeks. But it does offer some kind of repose.
Kratom made it so I didn’t really withdrawal off of hope at all tho. So it’s that repose point again.
Bupe withdrawal is its own beast. I’ve found that when I relapse on bupe the sick is often so gnarly that I just would rather be on kratom. And so bupe was helpful in getting off heroin, but once I was on kratom, bupe ended up being just another high after that point.
Kratom withdrawal is physically pretty taxing. But it is more manageable. Just takes time. If you go heroin to bupe to kratom in a month. With no real clean time between. Every time you don’t dose in like 4-6 hours you end up just as sick as if you had quit heroin. The withdrawal tends to stay the hardest substance you’ve been stepping down from. But if you take some time to be sick for as long as you can. Kratom offers more and more of a physical high that can be very relieving to get more out of your kratom.
But yeah. Kratom kick is gnarly enough that people will stay on it for years to avoid it. It’s really about a two week affair tho. Increase in sick to day sick. Diminish in sick to day 14. But after day three you get really fucking depressed because kratom has a kind of mood lifting effect. So in paws the depression is a very real symptom for a lot of people. Kratom is a beast of its own right. It’s helpful. But most importantly it’s easier with each step down you take. Heroin is harder than bupe harder than kratom. And kratom to cold turkey is just kind of hard. But it’s a path at least.
It’s a way out.
It is inconsistent. Sometimes you get weak leaf and have to dose heavy. Sometimes you dose heavy and then have to raise your dose.
Only thing I know for sure about kratom is it’s for the most part safer than harder drugs and the path to getting off of it is more manageable for a person who can’t just pop off to rehab for three to six months.
Do you have any kratom recommendations? A buddy of mine who is a recovering fetty addict used it to get off of subs two years ago. it started with one of those feel free drinks in the morning now he powers through these little one ounce OPMS Gold shots of extract. Im super inexperienced when it comes to kratom but also super curious.