Misc Tropicamide abuse in Russia

[Kenaz]

After reading this heartbreaking story about the death of a Russian tropicamide user, I did some research on the stuff and found it's a potent anticholinergic. And I'm finding it difficult to believe that anyone, never mind a large number of addicts, could actually find shooting up anticholinergics to be an enjoyable experience.

Is anticholinergic drug abuse common in the former Soviet Union - or anywhere? I have heard many tales of people who have used datura once, but very few of people who used it twice. Injecting a deliriant repeatedly takes self-destruction to a whole new level - and this is the country that brought us krokodil and Coaxil abuse. I'd love to hear from anyone who has firsthand or eyewitness experience of tropicamide abuse: based on everything I know about that family, jenkem would give you a more enjoyable high.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I have mildly enjoyed the mACH antagonism from doxylamine and other antihistamines; it isn't impossible to consider someone with limited options turning to it for recreational effects if that's all that was socially acceptable, readily available, or all they could afford/readily source, etc.

I haven't ever heard of tropicamide but I will look into it.

It is reported that tropicamide is used intravenously as a street drug in Russia. When used this way, it produces "severe psychiatric effects and brings on suicidal feelings. source

...lolwut??????? Wow, I really can't imagine anyone wanting to bring such an experience on themselves...???

For the record, as top-level psychedelic experiences can border on the edge of delirium, and as challenging and introspective as the experience is, there is still something that is gained from it. I know I am a more knowledgeable person and I have come a long way considering everything I have faced.

If it's anything like this (which it very well may not be, based on what was stated in the wikipedia article)... then I can imagine someone getting a spiritually enlightening experience out of it, which leads them to believe that even if they can't put words to the sense of tranquility and peace they feel during the intense dissociation due to delirium, that it's still worth going back to re-visit every now and then in order to regain a more positive outlook on ones life.

Nonetheless I am interested in what people would actually get out of such an experience, and if it's anything like the description I quoted from the corresponding wikipedia page.

 

[maxalfie]

What an awful story. Feel so sorry for the father.Life must be so bleak in parts of Russia going by some of the things people abuse just for some kind of escape from their surroundings

 

[Antecessor]

What an awful story. Feel so sorry for the father.Life must be so bleak in parts of Russia going by some of the things people abuse just for some kind of escape from their surroundings

Of course America is totally free from drug use, because life there is all light and joy and happy faces.
Lols.
When communism collapsed in soviet Russia, replaced with hard right capitalism, the death rate per thousand doubled.
The drug war there is a rightwingers dream, and there are NO drug replacement programs there either. Cold turkey is the only legal way.
The right rule the former soviet union with an iron fist harsher than Stalins.

80% or more of the residents in those areas say they preffered being under communism.

Maybe why drug use is so prelevant both in Russia, and, the USA. Living under rightwing dictatorships pushes people to drug use to escape the harsh conditions.

Me I use opiates because society is not worth living in, combined with no real opportunaties, means its my escape route.

 

[maxalfie]

@Antecessor, I also use opiates,namely Heroin and have done for over 10 years. I use it as it helps with my depression not because I feel that society isn't worth living in. Each to his own I guess.
What I meant about Russia is the type of drugs they have to resort to using. I mean who in the West would choose to inject eye drops into an artery or to rot their body away with Krokodil?
Life would have to be very shit indeed for me before I used either of those drugs.

 

[Kenaz]

I have mildly enjoyed the mACH antagonism from doxylamine and other antihistamines; it isn't impossible to consider someone with limited options turning to it for recreational effects if that's all that was socially acceptable, readily available, or all they could afford/readily source, etc.

I remember one BLer who used to shoot straight diphenhydramine - not diphenhydramine with heroin but straight diphenhydramine - for recreation. (I also recall the other BLers thinking he was nucking futs). So I suppose there could be some entertainment value in banging tropicamide.

It is reported that tropicamide is used intravenously as a street drug in Russia. When used this way, it produces "severe psychiatric effects and brings on suicidal feelings. source

...lolwut??????? Wow, I really can't imagine anyone wanting to bring such an experience on themselves...???

The BEST thing I can imagine is that it would be like a thermonuclear DXM experience that kills you within seven months after you start doing it regularly, give or take a few weeks.

For the record, as top-level psychedelic experiences can border on the edge of delirium, and as challenging and introspective as the experience is, there is still something that is gained from it. I know I am a more knowledgeable person and I have come a long way considering everything I have faced.

If it's anything like this (which it very well may not be, based on what was stated in the wikipedia article)... then I can imagine someone getting a spiritually enlightening experience out of it, which leads them to believe that even if they can't put words to the sense of tranquility and peace they feel during the intense dissociation due to delirium, that it's still worth going back to re-visit every now and then in order to regain a more positive outlook on ones life.

Nonetheless I am interested in what people would actually get out of such an experience, and if it's anything like the description I quoted from the corresponding wikipedia page.

The problem is that we're getting most of these reports from the Russian media (a questionable source at best) or from foreign correspondents who are basically providing translations of stories they read in the Russian media. As a result, many of the stories which are coming through are likely seriously exaggerated. I was hoping that there might be some people on here who had firsthand or eyewitness experience with tropicamide.

Based on the reports from the grieving father, it sounds like his son was also shooting Krokodil. He described an acrid odor in the family apartment from people "cooking" drugs -- krokodil manufacture supposedly produces a nasty, long-lasting iodine smell. So I'm not sure if his death was caused by tropicamide or by homebake desomorphine swimming in a lovely solution of iodine and gasoline redolent with sludge and binder particulates.

In Russia, drugs make war on you.

 

[MartinFn]

I saw in youtube some vids of people shooting krokodil, people with bones without skin..man, i fuckin do opiates for several years, but i couldn't imagine such a terrible thing...no fuckin words to say..plain sorrow: (


MartinFn

 

[Doc Hydramine]

I've never been scared of a drug, until I looked into Krokodil effects, and Tropicamide OD's. Anti-cholinergics/Deliriant style drugs are my favorite, but that's too much. That's just horrific.

 

[Solnx]

First Hand Experience

I have some direct insight on this topic.

I am Russian and last summer I was in Russia we took part in smoking weed with a group of my friends (four people). One of them was my friend and his cousin. We smoked and it hit us pretty fast, we caught a few laughs here and there and then the cousin(I'll refer to him as cousin as the person who used tropicamide) ventured away to take a piss and injected it in the vein. He also had a beer and the effects of weed on him combined with tropicamide produced a relatively unresponsive person. He was no longer with us, he didn't know what was going on. We would be talking and then he would come in the conversation on a subject completely irrelevant and illogical. He stumbled a bit and swayed when walking, it was terrible.

Noticeable Side Effects: Slurred speech
Physical inability
Drunk eyes*
Somewhat unresponsive

 

[Albion]

Imagine how awful the quality of life must be for someone where their main recreational activity is to get so mind-numblingly fucked that you border on the edge of consciousness, no matter what the cost to your health.

I guess some people in western world can relate to this...It's just that we don't need to resort to tropicamide because we have alcohol, benzo's, opiates and the like. I wonder how many people would use tropicamide if that was all they could get their hands on.

 

[rave23]

am i the only one to say i enjoy the mild dysphoria brought on by anticholinergics?

Even when i am not taking opiates, it's like the poor mans sedative. Paradoxically, it can have the inverse effects when taking too large doses. Say doxylamine succinate. 12.5mg have me feeling all fuzzy tired and spacey, where i can lie down and fall asleep in an instant. If i take 25 mg of the same drug, the dysphoric effects become much more pronounced, the dry mouth and eyes start to irritate me and i get mad restless legs.

Are they recreational the same way that heroin or other opiates are? No, i wouldn't say so.
However, can their effects be enjoyed? Most certainly i'd say!


Diphenhydramine injectable solution (or Gravol injectable solution) makes a perfect mix for your opiate shot. Shooting up anticholinergics has a strange rush to it, and it can be enjoyable if you are out of options.
I know at least one BL user that has positive experiences shooting up Benadryl together with opiates.