Tramadol day before candyflipping?

[tikhung01]

I've been using Tramadol daily for months now (100-150mg/day spread out). Two weeks ago I I did a pill of MDMA, having taken Tramadol hours beforehand and noticed my roll was diminished a whole lot by it.

Same thing last Wednesday, I felt nothing from the pill that was supposed to be potent for I had taken 50mg of Tramadol before hand. A waste of a pill.

Now I just took 100mg of Tramadol today in the afternoon, will I be able to candyflip (+ piracetam) tomorrow night (roughly 30 hours after the last tramadol dose)? Or should I wait some more?

Thanks a bunch!

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

If you are using tramadol every day and have been for months now, it may take a few days before it's cleared completely. If you are physically dependent on tramadol then MDMA just isn't an option for you, unfortunately.

In any case, as you may be aware, it is potentially dangerous to combine MDMA with other serotonergic drugs (such as tramadol), so don't attempt to take MDMA again until a few days has passed since your last tramadol dose.

 

[tikhung01]

If you are using tramadol every day and have been for months now, it may take a few days before it's cleared completely. If you are physically dependent on tramadol then MDMA just isn't an option for you, unfortunately.

In any case, as you may be aware, it is potentially dangerous to combine MDMA with other serotonergic drugs (such as tramadol), so don't attempt to take MDMA again until a few days has passed since your last tramadol dose.

Thank you! What about lsd, will it diminish the trip too? And i am curious about benzos use's effects on MDMA and LSD (i take bromazapam daily, 6mg).

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Thank you! What about lsd, will it diminish the trip too? And i am curious about benzos use's effects on MDMA and LSD (i take bromazapam daily, 6mg).

Any sedative (benzodiazepines and alcohol etc) will reduce the effect of stimulants and psychedelics. Bromazepam isn't particularly strong especially at 6mg, but it would certainly be reducing the effect even if it's just a little bit.

In my opinion if you are taking multiple different drugs such as tramadol and benzodiazepines, you should probably avoid adding more drugs into the mix.

 

[tikhung01]

Any sedative (benzodiazepines and alcohol etc) will reduce the effect of stimulants and psychedelics. Bromazepam isn't particularly strong especially at 6mg, but it would certainly be reducing the effect even if it's just a little bit.

In my opinion if you are taking multiple different drugs such as tramadol and benzodiazepines, you should probably avoid adding more drugs into the mix.

What about taking 6mg of bromazapam hours before trippin?

 

[chris_p]

Since tramadol has SSRI effects it will likely just nullify the effects of the MDMA or there could be other dangerous interactions that can cause serotonin syndrome or seizures, according to Google tramadol takes 2-4 days to leave your system so I would wait that amount minimum

What about taking 6mg of bromazapam hours before trippin?

Good idea, Im gonna try that on my next roll with some alp. Not too big of a fan of mdmas stimmy effects so could be very nice

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Yeah, tramadol increases risk of SS and seizures with LSD too and numbs the experience, just like benzos that could be used to increase seizure threshold otherwise. I have read at least one report of seizure happening when LSD was combined with tramadol. And seizures could happen with molly too in some cases, but if you are taking tramadol long-term, it possibly just nulls it, because they are kinda competing against each other, while tramadol ALSO downregulates many serotonin receptors because that's what SNRIs do.

Benzos do numb the psychedelic experience less if you are on daily regimen, but it is still not the same as introducing psychedelics to "clean system"

Not really safe and easy and effective way to trip without withdrawing off of tramadol. Not only would you need to get it out of your system, SNRI-qualities can render your trips diminished for some weeks even after that.

 

[tikhung01]

So i candyflipped! Ingesting 75ug of LSD 26 hours after last tramadol dose and surprisingly i tripped balls! T+ 2:30 i took 3/4th of a pill and rolled hard, (thought i wouldnt). One minor issue was the tramadol withdrawl which distracted me a little bit from the trip but overall still a worthwhile exp. And i got afterglow waking up in the morning, rather than the usual shitty sole mdma comedown.

Will quit tramadol from now on...with the motivation knowing that i will be able to roll even harder lol a girl is coming to my town in 2 weeks.

 

[chris_p]

So i candyflipped! Ingesting 75ug of LSD 26 hours after last tramadol dose and surprisingly i tripped balls! T+ 2:30 i took 3/4th of a pill and rolled hard, (thought i wouldnt). One minor issue was the tramadol withdrawl which distracted me a little bit from the trip but overall still a worthwhile exp. And i got afterglow waking up in the morning, rather than the usual shitty sole mdma comedown.

Will quit tramadol from now on...with the motivation knowing that i will be able to roll even harder lol a girl is coming to my town in 2 weeks.

I would personally switch to Kratom or at least taper with some, tramadol is pretty dangerous to use daily (seizure risks) I was also in that boat for some time, Kratom is way more affordable and combos well with everything in my experience. Kratom MDMA flip is very nice and reduces some of the physical side effects like shakiness

 

[tikhung01]

I would personally switch to Kratom or at least taper with some, tramadol is pretty dangerous to use daily (seizure risks) I was also in that boat for some time, Kratom is way more affordable and combos well with everything in my experience. Kratom MDMA flip is very nice and reduces some of the physical side effects like shakiness

I was actually a Kratom user for years before I discovered Tramadol (its cheaper and sold OTC here in Vietnam) and have combined with MDMA in the past, especially during the comedown - nice synergy indeed! And also i have tolerance issue with Kratom. I have to up the dose everyday with Kratom so by the end of the month i have to take 8gram of Kratom daily to feel anything at all.

I do agree though, Tramadol is a nasty drug and the withdrawls are absurd, more so than any other thing Ive tried to quit, even tobacco and benzos (asides porn).

 

[Opana313]

So how dangerous is it if one were to take 2 tramadols (100mg? After not taking them in at least 6months to a year)In the late morning THEN drops MDMA in the late evening?

I think I should be OK as it is a low dose and have not used it in a long time...lord knows I'm rolling tonight..whether it's a great roll or an ambulance rolling me into the hospital...

Also I used to mix 30mg Addy and tramadol back in the day day which I think can also lead to serotonin syndrome and lower seizure threshold.

 

[tikhung01]

So how dangerous is it if one were to take 2 tramadols (100mg? After not taking them in at least 6months to a year)In the late morning THEN drops MDMA in the late evening?

I think I should be OK as it is a low dose and have not used it in a long time...lord knows I'm rolling tonight..whether it's a great roll or an ambulance rolling me into the hospital...

Also I used to mix 30mg Addy and tramadol back in the day day which I think can also lead to serotonin syndrome and lower seizure threshold.

It could cause SS for sure...but if not then a diminished roll which i do not think is worthwhile imo. Space it out!

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

SSRIs and MDMA do not cause SS combined if there is not something else going on also.

 

[Opana313]

Yeah I was sort of worried but I think since I hadn't had it in so long it didn't seem to hurt anything(hopefully). Had a great roll. Tonight or tomorrow is the flipping hippy dippity..windowpane and intranasal mdma! Yah yah

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I am surprised that you were so successful tikhung01. But that's great!

I did some reading and wikipedia knows to tell "5-HT2C blockade may also account for its lowering of the seizure threshold, as 5-HT2C knockout mice display significantly increased vulnerability to epileptic seizures, sometimes resulting in spontaneous death."

It also should decrease gaba release or something as mu opioid receptor agonists do. And the SNRI-properties also decrease seizure threshold. It also has some other less significant, anticholinergic actions.

So that's why it is generally adviced against taking certain substances with tramadol. I have also done amphetamine and LSD few times with tramadol, in modest doses. I recognize it is dangerous and not really smart and I try to avoid that.

 

[tikhung01]

I am surprised that you were so successful tikhung01. But that's great!

I did some reading and wikipedia knows to tell "5-HT2C blockade may also account for its lowering of the seizure threshold, as 5-HT2C knockout mice display significantly increased vulnerability to epileptic seizures, sometimes resulting in spontaneous death."

It also should decrease gaba release or something as mu opioid receptor agonists do. And the SNRI-properties also decrease seizure threshold. It also has some other less significant, anticholinergic actions.

So that's why it is generally adviced against taking certain substances with tramadol. I have also done amphetamine and LSD few times with tramadol, in modest doses. I recognize it is dangerous and not really smart and I try to avoid that.

Yea not a really smart move of mine. I had actually done MDMA + amphetamine + tramadol before (a year and a half ago?), and I turned out fine. Luckily, the recent candyflip just pushed me to quit Tramadol for good. That stuff makes me demotivated af.