Ethnobotanicals Tips on using salvia as a quid?

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Hello everyone!
I just tried pure salvia divinorum leaves as a quid - and it was terribly messy. I had weighed 5 g of dried leaf, soaked in water and squeezed out properly. But the result was more than what fit into my mouth without gagging . Took part by part and I finally had some visuals but I just had to spit out that stuff... Probably could have had more of it if chewed longer but it was just... Ugh...
So how do you all do it?

 

[Esperighanto]

I used to cultivate salvia, and I would routinely chew fresh leaves from the plants. I love how it tastes, and was shockingly consistent between dosing, although I found that lighting conditions played a bigger part in perceived potency than playing with nutrients/water cycle timing/air flow. I have no idea of salvia induces tolerance though, and I was using it as if it did not create tolerance.

What was your issue with the experience, fitting enough of it in your mouth? Idk how we'd be measuring mouth size but I've probably got a normal sized mouth I'm guessing? I could fit ~50 fresh leaves comfortably in my mouth, chew it up and knock myself out like a DMT breakthrough within 3-5 minutes, but chewing 5-15 was beautiful for getting things done around the house, meditating, etc.

 

[foodcrisis]

salvia shouldn't cause tolerance issues... a lot of people say it has reverse tolerance, the more you do the easier it is to break through and trip.... after smoking it like daily or more for a few months, the trips got to be less cool and colorful ime. like i'd get ego loss and would be affected with all the gravity issues and body feelings when the ego loss was over, it just wasn't as fun cause the visuals were different. idk it didn't really seem much like tolerance issues, just my visuals changed and it wasn't really as special/rewarding cause the visuals weren't fun like what was once going through a multi color portal with all different shapes turned into just like blank space. might just be something that happened with me mentally though. i've never really heard of this. i've heard of people just like blanking out, but not because of repeat use.

i stopped using that stuff for years though, and then tried again and had a pretty interesting trip.. i mostly just smoke it though. my experience putting extract in my lip and swollowing the juices didn't really get me far. i don't know if that's the same as chewing or quidding or whatever.

 

[pupnik]

there is no way to quid without uncomfortably drooling green.
smoking it is way better, and for your lungs, extract enhanced leaf is best.

considering that drooling a green mess is the "original way" of salvia, may not be true, It may have been a joke Maria Sabina pulled on Schultes et. al.

 

[Esperighanto]

there is no way to quid without uncomfortably drooling green.
smoking it is way better, and for your lungs, extract enhanced leaf is best.

considering that drooling a green mess is the "original way" of salvia, may not be true, It may have been a joke Maria Sabina pulled on Schultes et. al.

I've never had issues drooling with salvia personally, but a few friends I've introduced to it have complained of drooling an annoying amount. Funny to hear of that somewhere else too. Coleus didn't make the same people drool but it's a different kind of trip in a way, that plant seemed to prefer being chewed whereas salvia preferred being smoked.

 

[daturetard]

I've never had issues drooling with salvia personally, but a few friends I've introduced to it have complained of drooling an annoying amount. Funny to hear of that somewhere else too. Coleus didn't make the same people drool but it's a different kind of trip in a way, that plant seemed to prefer being chewed whereas salvia preferred being smoked.

Weeeeeell.. Aztecs (descendants? I'm not sure, but what I read said Aztecs so I'll go with that) were supposedly disgusted when they found out westerners were burning essentially a God (or the manifestation thereof) of theirs.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

I used to cultivate salvia, and I would routinely chew fresh leaves from the plants. I love how it tastes, and was shockingly consistent between dosing, although I found that lighting conditions played a bigger part in perceived potency than playing with nutrients/water cycle timing/air flow. I have no idea of salvia induces tolerance though, and I was using it as if it did not create tolerance.

What was your issue with the experience, fitting enough of it in your mouth? Idk how we'd be measuring mouth size but I've probably got a normal sized mouth I'm guessing? I could fit ~50 fresh leaves comfortably in my mouth, chew it up and knock myself out like a DMT breakthrough within 3-5 minutes, but chewing 5-15 was beautiful for getting things done around the house, meditating, etc.

I guess it was a mixture of size and taste ( quite bitter) that made me gag. So I split it in two portions. 50 leaves, wow. Sounds a lot, though I never had fresh leaves. Maybe there was just too much juice coming out that I didn't want to swallow... And then the small leaf pieces just came along when I spit it out. Guess I will try even smaller portions next time.
Tolerance is an interesting question too... Let's see.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

salvia shouldn't cause tolerance issues... a lot of people say it has reverse tolerance, the more you do the easier it is to break through and trip.... after smoking it like daily or more for a few months, the trips got to be less cool and colorful ime. like i'd get ego loss and would be affected with all the gravity issues and body feelings when the ego loss was over, it just wasn't as fun cause the visuals were different. idk it didn't really seem much like tolerance issues, just my visuals changed and it wasn't really as special/rewarding cause the visuals weren't fun like what was once going through a multi color portal with all different shapes turned into just like blank space. might just be something that happened with me mentally though. i've never really heard of this. i've heard of people just like blanking out, but not because of repeat use.

i stopped using that stuff for years though, and then tried again and had a pretty interesting trip.. i mostly just smoke it though. my experience putting extract in my lip and swollowing the juices didn't really get me far. i don't know if that's the same as chewing or quidding or whatever.

Afaik the swallowed juice doesn't have much effect bc it's quickly degraded. That's why my instructions say to keep it in the mouth as long as possible. Smoking the pure leaves didn't do much for me, needed extract for a trip worth mentioning. I was actually surprised by the effect of the quid

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

there is no way to quid without uncomfortably drooling green.
smoking it is way better, and for your lungs, extract enhanced leaf is best.

considering that drooling a green mess is the "original way" of salvia, may not be true, It may have been a joke Maria Sabina pulled on Schultes et. al.

Haha alright, I just have to get adjusted to it then Ig

 

[pupnik]

salvia tolerance is no biggie
the short trip is evidence, that the receptors for salvinorin-A are quickly cleared and ready to be restimulated

 

[pupnik]

Afaik the swallowed juice doesn't have much effect bc it's quickly degraded. That's why my instructions say to keep it in the mouth as long as possible. Smoking the pure leaves didn't do much for me, needed extract for a trip worth mentioning. I was actually surprised by the effect of the quid

actually swallowing is fine, it is the same as holding it in mouth. it does not break down any of the actives. (misinformation abounds)

what you need to realize is that salvinorin-a at body temperatures is a waxy crystalline solid
without grinding it into your cheeks - just holding it in the mouth will do very little in the way of facilitating absorption by the blood, visualize chewing bits of paraffin candle wax. or holding candles under the tongue.

the guts have much more ability to absorb salvinorin-a than the cheeks or sublingual areas.
but still it is a waxy solid material at body temps. so it absorbs very slowly. (it would absorb faster if we had DMSO or acetone in our blood which we do not normally have).

The lungs however have a much more absorptive surface, and when you smoke salvia, salvinorin-a warm liquid waxy droplets in the inhaled smoke stream (not vapor which will sear flesh and damage it at over 400 degrees) are rapidly absorbed by the blood in the alveoli of the lungs which are formed in a highly vascularized way that accommodates rapid absorption unlike the mouth and even more absorptive than the guts.

that is why smoking salvia uses less than 1/50th of the material than slowly absorbing oral - buccal - & sublingual - methods.

I really cannot conceive that any AZTEC deity (if one actually is still around waiting for human sacrifices) would prefer wasting 50 times the HOLY plant material by drooling fools than having a quick reverent inhalation of the divine spirit directly.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

actually swallowing is fine, it is the same as holding it in mouth. it does not break down any of the actives. (misinformation abounds)

what you need to realize is that salvinorin-a at body temperatures is a waxy crystalline solid
without grinding it into your cheeks - just holding it in the mouth will do very little in the way of facilitating absorption by the blood, visualize chewing bits of paraffin candle wax. or holding candles under the tongue.

the guts have much more ability to absorb salvinorin-a than the cheeks or sublingual areas.
but still it is a waxy solid material at body temps. so it absorbs very slowly. (it would absorb faster if we had DMSO or acetone in our blood which we do not normally have).

The lungs however have a much more absorptive surface, and when you smoke salvia, salvinorin-a warm liquid waxy droplets in the inhaled smoke stream (not vapor which will sear flesh and damage it at over 400 degrees) are rapidly absorbed by the blood in the alveoli of the lungs which are formed in a highly vascularized way that accommodates rapid absorption unlike the mouth and even more absorptive than the guts.

that is why smoking salvia uses less than 1/50th of the material than slowly absorbing oral - buccal - & sublingual - methods.

I really cannot conceive that any AZTEC deity (if one actually is still around waiting for human sacrifices) would prefer wasting 50 times the HOLY plant material by drooling fools than having a quick reverent inhalation of the divine spirit directly.

Ok so the grinding does the job. I tried smoking the leaves before but it wouldn't do much in the amounts I tried - and I'm not really a smoker with lungs of steel so the one pot of extract was enough of a challenge when it comes to smoking for me. I still have lots of dried leaves alas my attempt of quidding it. And since I know it works now I will definitely try again...

 

[Dr Mamba]

Anyone tried to make a past and test anal ?

 

[Ismene2]

I never got into chewing the leaf but I did buy Sieberts "Extraordinary potion of enchantment" which was some extract he made with alcohol. Used it sibluingal but it used to take the skin off the inside of your mouth with the alcohol. Then I'd lay down and trip a little with my eyes closed.

 

[foodcrisis]

Afaik the swallowed juice doesn't have much effect bc it's quickly degraded. That's why my instructions say to keep it in the mouth as long as possible. Smoking the pure leaves didn't do much for me, needed extract for a trip worth mentioning. I was actually surprised by the effect of the quid

i'll have to read exactly how to quid...

i always need the extract to get anywhere smoking too

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Anyone tried to make a past and test anal ?

I'm not sure how good your ass is at grinding shits, but pretty sure the Aztec gods wouldn't approve

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

i'll have to read exactly how to quid...

i always need the extract to get anywhere smoking too

If you find something new let me know. What I read was merely soak 3-8 g dried leaves in cold water, then squeeze out the water, roll into a ball and chew around 30 min, trying to keep the juice in the mouth as long as you can, then spit it out. The trip is supposed to last 1-2 hours like that which is a very attractive timespan for me. Couldn't really confirm that yet. And next time I'll probably take only 3g bc of the sheer volume it became last time.

 

[pupnik]

Anyone tried to make a past and test anal ?

this would not work. the anus is soft and has no teeth. and it has too little absorptive surface area to compete with the lungs.
you may as well just stick a parafin wax candle up your butt to see how much gets absorbed.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Had 25% exract, looked like dark green pieces of dry leave.
One pinch so like max 1/3 of my weed pipe that needs full 3 fills of Weed for effect.
Had me ego death flat glued to the floor while experincing bizar black/grey white linear visuals with crackng noises.

Hadn t even time to put down my pipe, so the ammount needed to smoke is not the biggest problem.
Its about not hurting yourself, as it kicks in in secs, and then its lights out.
I fell on the ground could also have been someting else. Be warned, layin down seems logic.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Just for reference, Salvia absolutely does cause down-regulation of the kappa opioid receptor and therefore tolerance as shown in this paper.