Harm Reduction This is gonna be a sad,embarasing post, harm reduction though Combination help PLEASE

[bigdogonafrog]

I'm drunk(no excuse I know) so sorry if this is confusing.

Basically I have severe social anxiety, i'm a virgin... I'm going to order a hooker(sad I know)

Basically if I did it sober i'd be shaking after answering the door and my penis would shrivel up due to my increased heart rate, my voice would start cracking, couldn't look her in the eye. Etc..


So I plan to take 3&1/2 hrs before small dose of kratom to keep any slight withdrawl away

2hrs before hand 50mg Baclofen(slight tolerance) and a dose of viagra (25mg to 100mg) opinions needed

1hr before 5or10mg(very slight tolerance) of diazepam... Not dependant, don't want to take to much to diminish euphoria of ethyl

10/20min before 10-50mg(probably 30mg) Ethylphenidate(suggestions needed, no tolerance 1 prior use)... Taking this for confidence boost


I realize i'm a sad individual(have a lot of vacation at work(30days), gonna get off kratom. Once I feel normal take some sort of psychedelic(suggestions) for hopefully getting some mental issues resolved(with best friend from way back in middle grade(he knows my situation) as a sitter..benzos on hand incase) I wouldn't have the courage to post this anonamously if I wasn't Drunk. Please don't flame me
Also Mod's it's been a while since I posted here so if this is in the wrong section or against the rules I sincrely apoligize. Any suggestions welcome, even if it's just to ask for further info or just positive reinforcment(letting me know u've been there but managed to change)

 

[onepot]

I've had issues with social anxiety myself. Marijuana and methamphetamine were extremely helpful to me in getting over it. I've also heard very good things about ecstasy. MXE, for me, worked well in small doses to help get past anxiety issues.

I think the best thing to do with any grey market drug is to start with really small doses, and work your way up until you understand how it affects you. This is also a good idea because these types of drugs can vary in potency.

I don't know why anyone would flame you. I mean, you clearly have a lot of anxiety issues, but it's not like that's your fault. But I really think you can get a lot of help from psychotropic drugs. Hell, I got all the way to being suicidal before I made the very rational decision that I was a lot better off using illegal drugs than dead at the bottom of a canyon. And after I started using drugs, I was very surprised at how un-addictive they really are. Even the ones that are supposed to be ridiculously addictive like meth.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

You need to not take uppers for awhile. I JUST had issues with even stepping outaide mybapartment nothing like what your talking about but dude drugs ... especially RC drugs are so NOT going to help. It sounds like you need xanax. Dont take viagra with other drugs PLEASE. Its not a good idea.

 

[bigdogonafrog]

I've had issues with social anxiety myself. Marijuana and methamphetamine were extremely helpful to me in getting over it. I've also heard very good things about ecstasy. MXE, for me, worked well in small doses to help get past anxiety issues.

I think the best thing to do with any grey market drug is to start with really small doses, and work your way up until you understand how it affects you. This is also a good idea because these types of drugs can vary in potency.

I don't know why anyone would flame you. I mean, you clearly have a lot of anxiety issues, but it's not like that's your fault. But I really think you can get a lot of help from psychotropic drugs. Hell, I got all the way to being suicidal before I made the very rational decision that I was a lot better off using illegal drugs than dead at the bottom of a canyon. And after I started using drugs, I was very surprised at how un-addictive they really are. Even the ones that are supposed to be ridiculously addictive like meth.

Marijuana is terrible(forme), amphetamines help(drug tested though). I'll look into mxe in low doses as I have it.

Thanks for the post

You need to not take uppers for awhile. I JUST had issues with even stepping outaide mybapartment nothing like what your talking about but dude drugs ... especially RC drugs are so NOT going to help. It sounds like you need xanax. Dont take viagra with other drugs PLEASE. Its not a good idea.

Thanks for the concern, but I haven't taken uppers except 1 time last week. Before that 3 1/2 years.

Benzos by themselves don't help much unless in larger doses

Thanks for the info on viagra I didn't know it caused harm. What about minute doses like 12.5 mg or is it best to keep it out of the mix? I really need it due to all the others most likely causing me to be limp even though i'd be aroused...

 

[jazz hands]

I'd not take all those drugs. I once was in a similar position when my confidence was really low and I was really nervous-- up to the point when I met the girl. It was smooth sailing after that. I only drank a little bit beforehand and to be honest, it only helped a little with the anxiety beforehand. If you want to drink a little, fine, but don't take a cocktail of drugs and expect things to go well.

Something to keep in mind about kratom is that it definitely increases anxiety for a lot of people. I didn't really notice it at first because of the opioid effects, but upon closer inspection it was definitely happening.

 

[onepot]

I would argue that uppers aren't such a bad idea. It sounds like what he needs is a big boost of confidence, not something that's going to put him in a more functional state of drunkenness.

If ethylphenidate gives you a confidence boost, let me just say that you'd probably really like meth. And if you do decide to try it at some point I would advise only ever using it orally, as that tends to be the least addictive way to use any drug. Although from the limited information you've given, I'm not sure if lack of confidence is your biggest problem. It seems like it, but I don't know for sure.

 

[J.D.]

This is just my opinion - and I don't know you, so obviously I may be way off base. I just want to give my 2 cents. I'm not flaming you or anything...just trying to share some things from a woman's point of view. You have nothing to be embarrassed about, we all have a first time. I've never heard of anyone keeling over dead because of it. Obviously if you are going to call a prostitute, it won't be her first time, but she did have one!

It sounds like you are waayyy over-thinking the sex thing. I understand, tho, to a point. I like to have a glass of wine or two before having sex. It takes some of the edge off. It makes me sad that you feel you need so many chemicals to have sex. It won't make the experience any more enjoyable, tho. I mean - you want to be able to feel it and remember it, right? It's your first time, after all, so it might be over with pretty quickly (from my experience, anyway).

You say you have benzos on hand? I'd think a couple would help you to chill a bit but still "be in the moment". And you might be surprised by the lady's reaction - if you could be honest with her, tell her it's your first time. But I understand if you didn't want to tell her, too. But I have a feeling she would be much more, for lack of a better word, gentle and understanding. I think that's what you need, not a belly full of chemicals.

So take it for what it's worth - maybe back off the drugs a little and enjoy the moment. Sex is supposed to be fun! Good luck, have fun, and be safe! We're all on your side here.

 

[itglowsblue]

Basically I have severe social anxiety, i'm a virgin... I'm going to order a hooker(sad I know)

Are you sure you want to do this?
I know how bad it feels to be lonely and almost losing your mind about it and seriously did consider seeing a hooker at some point myself. But whenever i thought it through i imagined it to be somewhat like a visit to the doctor and not the kind of experience i'm looking for.
Before you do it try some alternatives, online dating perhaps or go some place you enjoy and try to get a conversation going with some random girl. I believe that even an enjoyable chat with some nice female could give you more of a confidence boost and send you in the right direction than losing your virginity to some prostitude.

 

[bigdogonafrog]

Yeah I definately notice an increase in anxiety with kratom after I got physically addicted, I will quit. However I will take a very minute dose to stave off withdrawals.

I went on one date from plentyoffish, she was a 6.5 in pics but a 5.5 in real life. I arrived late, had taken 3 shots in the car 10 minutes before I went in. I saw her at the table I sat down said hey, then my heart started pounding. I got up real fast mumbling that I had to go to the restroom. I left and never responded to her texts..

Thanks for the comment

Are you sure you want to do this?
I know how bad it feels to be lonely and almost losing your mind about it and seriously did consider seeing a hooker at some point myself. But whenever i thought it through i imagined it to be somewhat like a visit to the doctor and not the kind of experience i'm looking for.
Before you do it try some alternatives, online dating perhaps or go some place you enjoy and try to get a conversation going with some random girl. I believe that even an enjoyable chat with some nice female could give you more of a confidence boost and send you in the right direction than losing your virginity to some prostitude.

Thanks for the comment, see above for online dating. All the talking was done via email no phone chat before the meet. Online I can be quite charismatic via email...

But yes I want to do this, i've thought long and hard for about 3 years. Now I have the "tools" where It could be done successfully although i'd be totally awkward at the sex. But i'd let her know its my first time and let her do all the work.

I just have such a mental block with females I think this would help me... though realistically probably not.

 

[J.D.]

That's totally cool that you went on a date - that's the first step. I don't know if leaving in the middle and not responding to her texts was the smoothest move tho. I did giggle a little (does that make me a bad person? ) - I can't count how many times I've wanted to do it! However, just an FYI, women tend to take it personally when our date ditches us like that. Even an apologetic text probably would have made you look a little better - she probably thinks you're a total dick right now.

I've had a couple of friends who have dated through POF - it seems to work for them. Maybe if you keep dating, you won't need a prostitute. I agree with itglowsblue that a bit of confidence boost would do you more good than any drug.

As far as the mechanics of sex - it's pretty basic, nature takes over - and before you know it, you're poking her in all the right places. So whatever you decide to do - be safe!

 

[Ohayou]

While euphoric stims will boost your confidence, they make your member uncooperative. So don't go over board, and i wouldn't recommend using any downers at all, that makes sex lame imo. Try a dose of your stim of choice and some viagra, I think some call this "trail mix" (mdma + viagra) and that should be all the chemical help you should need. That's all I would take anyway. Maybe 1mg of a benzo could help now that i think about it.

Viagra messes with your BP so be careful when using drugs like stims as they also affect your BP.

 

[n3ophy7e]

If ethylphenidate gives you a confidence boost, let me just say that you'd probably really like meth. And if you do decide to try it at some point I would advise only ever using it orally, as that tends to be the least addictive way to use any drug.

For someone like bigdogonafrog who suffers with any type of anxiety, I would strongly advise AGAINST ever trying meth. This is terrible advice. Remember that this is a harm reduction forum. Thanks.

Viagra messes with your BP so be careful when using drugs like stims as they also affect your BP.

For this very reason I would also advise against using stims and viagra at the same time. This can be a very dangerous combination. Harm reduction, people!


bigdogonafrog, the drug combination you proposed is, in my opinion, way too much. You don't want to risk being really messy/trashed for your first sex experience. Take the minimum dose of whatever drug you need to be in a calm, relaxed state, and the rest will fall in to place. Don't rely on substances to create the "perfect" mindset because it could easily backfire. Like J.D said, once things are happening it will feel pretty natural and any anxiety you have about the situation will likely subside. Especially if she is an experienced prostitute, you won't even need to do a thing! She will take the reins and you can just sit back and enjoy the ride (so to speak ).

 

[jazz hands]

Yeah I definately notice an increase in anxiety with kratom after I got physically addicted, I will quit. However I will take a very minute dose to stave off withdrawals.

I went on one date from plentyoffish, she was a 6.5 in pics but a 5.5 in real life. I arrived late, had taken 3 shots in the car 10 minutes before I went in. I saw her at the table I sat down said hey, then my heart started pounding. I got up real fast mumbling that I had to go to the restroom. I left and never responded to her texts..

Thanks for the comment

Yeah, expectations are a lot different on a date though.

I just have such a mental block with females I think this would help me... though realistically probably not.

I do think it will help you. For me, it was the first step in getting back my confidence as it marked the end of my sexual rut. I would try to dig up a bit of info on the girl first though to make sure you're not setting yourself for a frustrating experience.

 

[ms4104]

2 things.. losing your virginity is not that important bro.. no need to rush it and get some weird STD's or aids or some shit from some skanky whore with stretch marks and a huge ass roast beef vagina.

And also if you think you need all those drugs to fuck then you are going to get in the habit of fucking like that.. so every time yuou wanna fuck you will ahve to take all that bullshit..its just pointless bro. What are you gonna do one day when you meet a girl and she wants to fuck you in the bathroom at the bar.. be like oh wait I gotto go dose like 20 meds and wait for them to kick in and see if my penis can perform. Wait till you find a girl who you like and she likes you.. If you do things right you will be comfortable wenough that you dont need drugs..

Its your 1st time bro you are not gonn abe a porn star or something.

I dunno how old you are but if your in like HS I feel bad man. There is so much pressure on kids these days to fuck and do drugs and shit. I am scared to have kids. You'll learn one day that sex is not THAT important to women. There are more important things to them. And I also heard on david lettermen the average male orgasm takes 5 mins female 30 minutes lol. Thought that was funny..

 

[bigdogonafrog]

For someone like bigdogonafrog who suffers with any type of anxiety, I would strongly advise AGAINST ever trying meth. This is terrible advice. Remember that this is a harm reduction forum. Thanks.



For this very reason I would also advise against using stims and viagra at the same time. This can be a very dangerous combination. Harm reduction, people!


bigdogonafrog, the drug combination you proposed is, in my opinion, way too much. You don't want to risk being really messy/trashed for your first sex experience. Take the minimum dose of whatever drug you need to be in a calm, relaxed state, and the rest will fall in to place. Don't rely on substances to create the "perfect" mindset because it could easily backfire. Like J.D said, once things are happening it will feel pretty natural and any anxiety you have about the situation will likely subside. Especially if she is an experienced prostitute, you won't even need to do a thing! She will take the reins and you can just sit back and enjoy the ride (so to speak ).

Very true post. Thanks everyone I had planned on doing this tomorrow night however I read every single post. I appreciate all the advice. I have decided to put it on hold until next month... However i'm determined to do this. But I will definitely tweek the formula to allow me to be functional yet not extremely nervous...

I was going to have 0 anxiety with the above stack, however i may just take a benzo and viagra. Maybe a shot if i'm still having anxiety once she comes through my door

Like I said I appreciatte all the advice I read each post and weighed the options...

 

[J.D.]

I don't understand the pressure you guys put on yourselves - Viagra? Really? You come across as rather young....can you explain to me the fascination?

And I'm not sure why fucking some ho in a bar is so much classier than hiring a prostitute. Not exactly someone I'd save myself for. But that's just me, I guess.

 

[bigdogonafrog]

I don't understand the pressure you guys put on yourselves - Viagra? Really? You come across as rather young....can you explain to me the fascination?

And I'm not sure why fucking some ho in a bar is so much classier than hiring a prostitute. Not exactly someone I'd save myself for. But that's just me, I guess.

Well it would of been there to counter act the limpness brought on by ethylphenidate,Baclofen,Valium. But like I said i'm going to give it some time and more research, due to all the knowledgeable people here helping me out.

It's a mental block, I can interact with males perfectly fine, although I would say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2nK_qmvJ7A is pretty much along the lines of what I have, well maybe not as severe like the crying and what not. But the same general ridiculously unatural reaction... I take that back, maybe my phobia of women is 50% of that lady is to clowns

 

[emjay]

You still haven't mentioned your age

I have social anxiety so bad that I have been the "first" of many things for hospitals and all the doctors involved. I'm prescribed a large dose MAOI (Parnate) AND Dexedrine by the same doc, for crying out loud... multiple psychs have even recommended ECT. I'm even on disability because of it. And I've always wondered about hiring a hooker... whether getting that over with might help me. So if you do this, please follow up on it and whether it helped you.

And please, state your age so we can get some perspective! I'm turning 26 in a few months.

 

[onepot]

If your anxiety is only around women, it's probably due more to a plain old lack of confidence or fear of rejection than it is an anxiety disorder. Like if you're fine in public places or group settings, then it would really seem like your issue is not social anxiety disorder. But from what you've said, I can't tell if this is the case.

It's been my experience that meth doesn't start causing anxiety until you hit the higher doses, but it still probably shouldn't be your first choice. For me, it really improved my depression, my confidence around girls, and my sexual performance, but I did try a LOT of other things first, mostly prescribed drugs and softer stuff.

 

[ms4104]

Why do you feel the need to have sex with someone suddenly? How old are you? Really that doesn't even matter even if your 50 years old. I think you are not ready or rather the timing is not right..and need to find the right person..This is the 1st time you'll have sex somethin you won't forget.. and you want it to be a total stranger? It just seems really shallow. You shouldn;t have to drug your self up to the point where you need viagra just so you can have sex.. its just not realistic or manageable.

What if the timeing is not right? Lets say you plan on having sex that night.. and you do, great performance becaause of all the performance enhancors lol, ok then the alarm goes off, its 8am,, she rolls over and wants to fuck again, now what? Be all awkward run out the room try and dose 20 drugs and down some vodka? What if she wants to give you some road head right quick? Who even knows if your dick will work with all those different drugs..then you pop viagra and have to get your cock drained because its erect for 3 days.

It just seems totally meaningless to me. REally overkill to 'get it out of the way.' We all have embarrasing moments with girls.. and none of us had a great exdperience when we lost our virginity. We were all scared and nervous around girls.. its aawkward man. You are not alone.,. don't over think it so much.

Just think abou tit rationally.. what is hiring a hooker going to help you with? Say yo go through with it.. what have you accomplished? You got your first time 'out of the way.' which did absolutely nothing. Sex is not about what you see in a porno.. its about a connection man. I mean wouldn't you rather your 1st time be a comfortable experience? The only way you will feel comfortable around girls is you have to get to know one of them. Not a 20 second convo at a club.. like be friends you know.. lets nature take its course. I bet soon she'll be so wet and horny and you'll be performing like a champ.. I say focus on meeting the right girl than honing your sexual skills. There is nothing to it man.. having sex 1 time will not make you a pro at all.. it';s pretty easy and obvious what you do.. you move your dick in and out.. all the fancy stuff you can learn later lol. You will end up wasting money on a prostitute risking arrest std's and shit.. who knows what that bitch has.