Thinking of trying out SARMs

MoFo_S

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Hello everyone, I am a long time BLer, first post here. Please advise if I violate any guidelines.

First a quick history - I have been lifting weights for about 10 years. I am 27. I tend to work out pretty irregularly - whenever I have cash and time for the gym. Sometimes I go months without going. When I do go, I like to do high intensity and lift heavy weights. I like the 4-6 rep range, although I mix it up over time. In general I prefer shorter, more intense workouts and I like really feeling the pain.

Despite many warnings from who I consider pussy european guys, I have never injured myself in the gym, despite the fact that I apparently lift ¨too much¨ weight for my size. I am 5´9, 176cm, and weigh about 165 pounds, little body fat, naturally high metabolism. The reason I do high intensity is for the first few years, I did more standard workout routines, but I was a hard gainer. I stayed around 145 pounds. I drank liters of whole milk, ate pints of ice cream, my body just burned it off within 24 hours and no real change. Then I read about high intensity, started lifting heavy weights and really burning it out, and taking supplements (creatine, BCAAs, protein, glutamine, multivitamins). I would use various nautilus machines, my goal being to do the highest setting on each machine, focusing on negative reps, leaving almost no time between machines. Doing this twice a week, working out hard as fuck for 35 min until I felt like dying/puking. It worked great! I started gaining muscle fast, and looked pretty buff, I was over 170 pounds with very low body fat. I decided to stay at that size, since if I got much bigger I would look too much like a meathead. Since then I use high intensity pretty regularly, happy with the size I am.

Anyway, over the last year I have started doing a lot of BJJ. My classes are pretty hardcore, lasting about two hours, lots of sparring. So here is the thing. I find it very difficult to do both BJJ and high intensity workouts at the same time. I need to do BJJ continuously to advance, but it leaves me pretty dead whether I lift weights before or after. If I lift before, I am pretty exhausted when rolling. If I lift after, I feel like I don´t have the energy, glycogen, whatever to really do my high intensity. And I don´t have time to go to the gym twice a day.

So, a source I use has some SARMs pretty cheap, and likely of excellent quality. I was thinking of ordering some Enobosarm (MK - 2866, Ostarine) and taking a pretty low dose every morning, maybe 10mg oral. My goal isn´t really to add muscle, it´s more to recover faster. So my body could better handle doing BJJ and lifting heavy weights concurrently. I did it earlier this year without SARMs for two months, but I got so burned out I just stopped going to the gym for a while. And if I do BJJ alone, I really miss heavy weights.

Thoughts? Anyone with experience with SARMs who´d like to point out anything? I´m reading up on steroids at the moment on this forum.

Ideally I´d like to hit the gym every day for about two hours. Train BJJ and maybe boxing 3 or 4 times a week, and lift heavy weights maybe 2 - 3 times a week, taking one day a week off.

Sorry for length and rambling!
 
I gave Ostarine a 2-week run @ 20 mg. I got some weird headaches and sporadic sweats. I'm actually contemplating taking it for a normal length right now, Overall, SARMs will suppress you much like any other oral AAS, but, you may not need as many liver adjuncts to keep you going.

I was actually about to make a thread on this:

I've found that taking 20 mg of Ostarine for 3-4 days when I get joint-pain flare up appears to heal it pretty damn fast. For example, my right knee and shoulder have felt like they're about to tear for the previous couple weeks, but after ~4 days of Ostarine the pain is about 80% gone. Just some anecdote.
 
pretty sure there is a thread on sarms somewhere in here. something about seeing yellow and going night blind as side effects from some :/
 
Hey M8'.. You sound very much like me when I was younger, over training, under eating, and not enough rest.... Boxing and body building, you can't do em both successfully either or....
I worked on a building site all day, then went gym and or boxing, 6 days a week one or the other, or both...

And guess what, I was knackered all the time and I didn't grow... Drugs are not the answer to your problem, you need rest....!!!
 
I tried S-4 a long time ago. Gave me great endurance, strength was unchanged and the vision sides get creepy after some time.
 
Yeah Freak you are probably right, I tend to overwork myself. Maybe it´s just impossible to do all this at once.

I´m not sure if I´ll use the Ostarine, seems like I definitely need to research it more. So the consensus is, even with the more targeted effects of SARMs, I should still take the usual supplemental drugs with it? Liver adjuncts? If someone could give me the essential other substances it would be wise to take while taking the Ostarine, that´d be great. Would it be the same ones as advised with usual anabolic steroids in the forum guide?

Thanks everybody! If I take the SARMs in the end I´ll definitely write up a report.
 
One of the many goals for a SARM is to NOT cause supression... Hence why it is a good addition to PCT aswell
 
One of the many goals for a SARM is to NOT cause supression... Hence why it is a good addition to PCT aswell

At the dosages they were intended to be used at, SARMs won't cause suppression. However, at bodybuilding doses the suppression is there.
 
Please excuse my ignorance, but could someone define ´suppression´ as it relates to steroids? Surpression of natural body production of testosterone? How could I detect and or prevent this?

I´m thinking I will try a bit of the Ostarine, but I´m going to start with quite a low dose, make sure to rest a lot and not do too many things at the gym. Eat a lot. And I need to figure out which supplemental drugs to take to deal with possible side effects, and where I can get them. Also I think I´ll do the ostarine for maybe 2 or 4 weeks, then assess what the effects have been.

It´s pretty interesting to learn about these things, I know a good amount about centrally active/recreational drugs, but only started learning about steroids since my American friend (who is a huge beast) kept recommending roids to me. I figure, if I´v been fucking with my mind/brain for years with psychedelic drugs, might as well experiment with my body a little. But I´m gonna take it slow and absorb as much info as I can. No need to rush
 
Please excuse my ignorance, but could someone define ´suppression´ as it relates to steroids? Surpression of natural body production of testosterone? How could I detect and or prevent this?

I´m thinking I will try a bit of the Ostarine, but I´m going to start with quite a low dose, make sure to rest a lot and not do too many things at the gym. Eat a lot. And I need to figure out which supplemental drugs to take to deal with possible side effects, and where I can get them. Also I think I´ll do the ostarine for maybe 2 or 4 weeks, then assess what the effects have been.

It´s pretty interesting to learn about these things, I know a good amount about centrally active/recreational drugs, but only started learning about steroids since my American friend (who is a huge beast) kept recommending roids to me. I figure, if I´v been fucking with my mind/brain for years with psychedelic drugs, might as well experiment with my body a little. But I´m gonna take it slow and absorb as much info as I can. No need to rush

I did Ostarine at 20mgs for nearly 7 weeks and gained 8 to 10 pounds without any side effects.

However, during the last 2 weeks I did notice testicular shrinkage, which is due to suppression: the shutdown of the body's own hormone production.

Initially I took Clomid for 2 weeks at a low dose: 25mgs but that wasn't enough so I added 2 more weeks and did 100mgs the first and 50 mgs the second week.

After this the boys returned to their normal size. Thankfully I didn't lose the mass I gained.

My next Ostarine cycle will consist of 30mgs for 30 days as part of a cut.

In my opinion, a 2 week cycle is too short to gain " substantial" mass, and 7 weeks is too long if suppression is one of your worries.

Otherwise, Ostarine is a good addition to any supplement regime having a place somewhere between regular supplements and steroids.
 
At the dosages they were intended to be used at, SARMs won't cause suppression. However, at bodybuilding doses the suppression is there.

I think in the 3mg range, Ostarine brought guys t-levels from 750 to like 250. If you're taking it @ around 10mg+ (3.3 fold what they use in clinical studies) you're going to shutdown. If not, well you bought some fake stuff.
 
I did Ostarine at 20mgs for nearly 7 weeks and gained 8 to 10 pounds without any side effects.

However, during the last 2 weeks I did notice testicular shrinkage, which is due to suppression: the shutdown of the body's own hormone production.

Initially I took Clomid for 2 weeks at a low dose: 25mgs but that wasn't enough so I added 2 more weeks and did 100mgs the first and 50 mgs the second week.

After this the boys returned to their normal size. Thankfully I didn't lose the mass I gained.

My next Ostarine cycle will consist of 30mgs for 30 days as part of a cut.

In my opinion, a 2 week cycle is too short to gain " substantial" mass, and 7 weeks is too long if suppression is one of your worries.

Otherwise, Ostarine is a good addition to any supplement regime having a place somewhere between regular supplements and steroids.

Without specific sourcing, would these have happened to been the red capsule form? I've heard some iffy stories about that source.
 
agreed with nolys, SARMS are pointless, they are very expensive and still shut you down. go for AAS, the trusted hormones which have been used and proved for years.
 
Without specific sourcing, would these have happened to been the red capsule form? I've heard some iffy stories about that source.

Manpower is a shit source. The only things I would get from him are Melanotan II and Helios. Everything else is bunk or god only knows. Somebody on another forum used his T3 and it wasn't T3, it was some kind of amphetamine like stimulant that put him in the hospital. He used to be on point but not anymore. Spend your money elsewhere.
 
Manpower is a shit source. The only things I would get from him are Melanotan II and Helios. Everything else is bunk or god only knows. Somebody on another forum used his T3 and it wasn't T3, it was some kind of amphetamine like stimulant that put him in the hospital. He used to be on point but not anymore. Spend your money elsewhere.

His PDE5 inhibitors are VERY legit. Half of a supposed 25 mg Cialis capsule has me good for the entire weekend.

Sucks that its the first thing that comes up when you google 'Ostarine'...
 
At the dosages they were intended to be used at, SARMs won't cause suppression. However, at bodybuilding doses the suppression is there.

This. Now I'm sure some day someone will develop a SARM that isn't suppressive at all, but that hasn't happened yet.
 
aas are relatively small modifications of the testosterone molecule (look at the pictures on wikipedia and you'll se what i mean) which have slightly different effects on your body depending on how they are modified

sarms are totally different molecules designed to still bind to the same receptors as androgens. the goal is to make them bind more in certain tissues (muscle, bone) than others (parts of the brain that sense hormone levels, prostate, ..) but we're not quite there yet (this is why they are still suppressive at higher doses)

just as an example

testosterone
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dianabol
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s-4
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ostarine
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