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Think I'm getting addicted to oxy, don't know what to do

falsifiedhypothesi

falsifiedhypothesi

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Im going to start with a brief layout of my use. I've been using opiates on and off for more than 4 years and it has never been problematic. Up until a few months ago I have never had a stready supply, it has always been something like ten 10/325 hydrocodone at a time then nothing for a couple months. Fairly recently my guy has showered me with offers for cheap 5/10mg oxy ir's and 10/325 hydros once a month when his guy gets his scripts.

I've been getting about 200mg of oxy at a time and I'm blowing through them faster each month. The last time I went through them too fast I ordered some tianeptine and ended up binging on 10 grams for around 15 days. My first month of this I was able to use 15mg of oxy once a day and be satisfied for almost two weeks, now I'm blowing through the same 200mgs in less than 5 days.

I'm not ready to stop completely but I'm thinking about taking 2-3 months off. I'm looking for advice to keep myself clean, I know I'm going to go into withdrawal and for me that means brutal RLS, crippling fatigue, and some minor depression added to my usual depressed mindset. I want to find something that will help with my withdrawal symptoms that does not mess with my opiate receptors, i.e. kratom, tianeptine, codeine.

How hard do you think it will be for me to stay clean for that long after using so compulsively? I've been using opiates to deal with my depression (please no lectures) so I know it won't be easy to stay clean.

Btw my tolerance is now up to 40mg of plugged oxycodone for a pretty good buzz.
 
falsifiedhypothesi said:
Im going to start with a brief layout of my use. I've been using opiates on and off for more than 4 years and it has never been problematic. Up until a few months ago I have never had a stready supply, it has always been something like ten 10/325 hydrocodone at a time then nothing for a couple months. Fairly recently my guy has showered me with offers for cheap 5/10mg oxy ir's and 10/325 hydros once a month when his guy gets his scripts.

I've been getting about 200mg of oxy at a time and I'm blowing through them faster each month. The last time I went through them too fast I ordered some tianeptine and ended up binging on 10 grams for around 15 days. My first month of this I was able to use 15mg of oxy once a day and be satisfied for almost two weeks, now I'm blowing through the same 200mgs in less than 5 days.

I'm not ready to stop completely but I'm thinking about taking 2-3 months off. I'm looking for advice to keep myself clean, I know I'm going to go into withdrawal and for me that means brutal RLS, crippling fatigue, and some minor depression added to my usual depressed mindset. I want to find something that will help with my withdrawal symptoms that does not mess with my opiate receptors, i.e. kratom, tianeptine, codeine.

How hard do you think it will be for me to stay clean for that long after using so compulsively? I've been using opiates to deal with my depression (please no lectures) so I know it won't be easy to stay clean.

Btw my tolerance is now up to 40mg of plugged oxycodone for a pretty good buzz.
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dude you are addicted to them you need to accept that first
easiest thing to do that can also be the hardest thing to do is taper off to help with the WD but understand there is a 99% chance you are gonna feel WD even if you do taper
prob wont be as harsh but its still gonna be felt but to what extent???? no one can tell you that as we all have a different body chemistry
 
I know I'm addicted and I don't want to taper I just want to kick without the aid of other opiates. Oxycodone and hydrocodone aren't good for tapering because of their short half lives and rapid tapering just seems like it would prolong the withdrawals without providing much relief, plus I don't have the supply for that.

I'm just wondering if the ability to abstain from opiates gets harder the farther down the rabbit hole you go. I've gone stretches of up to 8 months with no opiates and rarely had cravings during that time, but that was over a year ago when my tolerance and usage was much lower. I haven't gone very far but this is the farthest I've been and I've only experienced withdrawals a couple times.
 
falsifiedhypothesi said:
I know I'm addicted and I don't want to taper I just want to kick without the aid of other opiates. Oxycodone and hydrocodone aren't good for tapering because of their short half lives and rapid tapering just seems like it would prolong the withdrawals without providing much relief, plus I don't have the supply for that.

I'm just wondering if the ability to abstain from opiates gets harder the farther down the rabbit hole you go. I've gone stretches of up to 8 months with no opiates and rarely had cravings during that time, but that was over a year ago when my tolerance and usage was much lower. I haven't gone very far but this is the farthest I've been and I've only experienced withdrawals a couple times.
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read plenty of times on here here other users claim hat opiate tolerance reset itself in a way
but of course the more you dig the harder it will be to get out the hole
if you can kick the habit CT all the power to you
 
Stop Now! you don't wanna be were a lot of us are, go to your Doc if you can and tell him, get some clonodine and get of that shit.
Im almost 10 days clean from opies, and even with the clonodine the w/d weren't pretty.
 
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If you taper, use hydrocodone only. It isn't as strong, which makes for a faster detox, but will still make you feel way better when you take your dose on schedule.
Lookup the Thomas Recipe. It is a guide to having a painless experience, but even if you only get 1/4 of the ingredients it still makes you feel 90% better. Its a mental thing too though. Are you snorting or eating the pills?
 
kratom....that helped me mitigate quite a bit of the withdrawal.

I can't tell you what to do, but I can say I would advise against stopping and then going back. Addicts tend to pick up right where they left off, so chances are you wouldn't be going down in dose, just making yourself wait for the same dose.

All I can say is stop now while you can. Be safe and good luck.
 
Also note the hardest part about quitting is not relapsing after you get through the withdrawals. Your brain literally rationalizes reasons it's okay for you to use again. "Oh, I can reward myself, I haven't taken any for a month. I won't buy any more after this."..
*6months later back on blue light with double the habit*

There are so many great resources online. Literally Google whatever questions come to your mind and I can promise there's already a forum full of the same questions with replies. Best of luck to you!
 
deltajessie said:
Also note the hardest part about quitting is not relapsing after you get through the withdrawals. Your brain literally rationalizes reasons it's okay for you to use again. "Oh, I can reward myself, I haven't taken any for a month. I won't buy any more after this."..
*6months later back on blue light with double the habit*

There are so many great resources online. Literally Google whatever questions come to your mind and I can promise there's already a forum full of the same questions with replies. Best of luck to you!
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yeah I know what you mean, I just started the withdrawals and there's a party later so I'm already debating taking some so I will be good for the party.
 
falsifiedhypothesi said:
Im going to start with a brief layout of my use. I've been using opiates on and off for more than 4 years and it has never been problematic. Up until a few months ago I have never had a stready supply, it has always been something like ten 10/325 hydrocodone at a time then nothing for a couple months. Fairly recently my guy has showered me with offers for cheap 5/10mg oxy ir's and 10/325 hydros once a month when his guy gets his scripts.

I've been getting about 200mg of oxy at a time and I'm blowing through them faster each month. The last time I went through them too fast I ordered some tianeptine and ended up binging on 10 grams for around 15 days. My first month of this I was able to use 15mg of oxy once a day and be satisfied for almost two weeks, now I'm blowing through the same 200mgs in less than 5 days.

I'm not ready to stop completely but I'm thinking about taking 2-3 months off. I'm looking for advice to keep myself clean, I know I'm going to go into withdrawal and for me that means brutal RLS, crippling fatigue, and some minor depression added to my usual depressed mindset. I want to find something that will help with my withdrawal symptoms that does not mess with my opiate receptors, i.e. kratom, tianeptine, codeine.

How hard do you think it will be for me to stay clean for that long after using so compulsively? I've been using opiates to deal with my depression (please no lectures) so I know it won't be easy to stay clean.

Btw my tolerance is now up to 40mg of plugged oxycodone for a pretty good buzz.
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What a rediculous thing to say, all three of those have mu opioid activity and will certainly have an effect on your withdrawal, especially tianeptine which is notorious for abnormaly spiking tolerance and producing fairly nasty withdrawals. Enough of this will potentially put you in an even worse situation.

If quitting oxy was as simple as switching to a weaker opioid for the duration of withdraw there would be no more rehabs. Using any of those three will prolong your withdrawal progress once your body adjusts to the dose of whichever one you're taking. In order to utilize these drugs effectively you've gotta treat them like any other opioid and either use small to moderate doses only when things are way to rough or set up a taper.

Due to the incredibly short duration and abnormal effects on tolerance I recommend avoiding tianeptine altogether. At some point you're gonna have to deal with withdrawal, that's just the nature of the game. If your plan is to quit oxy and once you're past the withdrawal begin using any of the drugs listed, realize that they have the ability to throw you right back in withdrawal, as with all opioids. After being dependant you'll be surprised how little it will take to put you right back in withdrawal.
 
So you get 200mg a month, but use 40mg at a time. That is only 5 doses per month. Do you immediately restock as soon as you are out or do you wait till the next month or whatever time period? I only ask to gather more info to try and make a recommendation.
 
I would recommend tapering.

As far as opiates go, you can taper with buprenorphine, kratom, poppy seed tea.

Other comfort meds that will help the taper include benzos, gabapentin/lyrica, clonidine, phenibut, anything GABAergic really.
 
I would stop now, you are addicted as oxys are highly addictive, if you can. I would just go cold turkey and just deal with the wds for a few days instead of buying them to taper, but if you really can't go cold turkey then I guess taper but it is highly recommended to just stop while you can before it gets waaaay out of hand to where your doing that 200mg/ day or need them to feel normal trust me I've been down that path many times and it's fun while your doing thrm but is very costly and not safe
 
I should probably be a little more specific about the kratom.

What I did was I bought 4ozs of red vein kratom and only took it when I had to work or participate in family functions. The rest of the time I let the withdrawal go. Feeling that misery is a good reminder that I was playing with extremely powerful medications and that I no longer want to feel this anymore. After I went through the worst of the withdrawals I stopped taking it and checked into a long term rehab (I had been using IV heroin and cocaine for quite a long time) in order to work through the problems that come with being addicted...as an above poster mentioned, the rationalization that leads to relapse, or the minimization of problems that have been caused by use. For me rehab wasn't just about being away from the drugs...it was about learning why I do the things I do, and how to deal with life without drugs.

Now that you have felt the itch, the thought that a magic pill will make your emotions feel better, or your problems easier to tackle will always be with you. Part of getting better will be learning how to feel emotions again, and how to look at those thoughts and think of the consequences of use (if you haven't had any consequences from using opiates yet, just wait they are coming).

Good luck my friend, I hope you do better than I did and hang up the phone now and never pick it up again when its ringing.
 
I agree that cold turkey is probably the route to go unless you have existing psych issues that are going to be exacerbated inducing suicidal thoughts or the like in which case you may want to seek a medically supervised detox process followed with if not concurrent with some sort of support system to help keep you off the ops. if you intend to reset your tolerance, good luck with that. I went on a six plus month hiatus from opiates, got back on them and found I reached my old tolerance VERY quickly. Granted my body in general builds tolerance to all sorts of medications very quickly and seems to be unique in that aspect so that may have been the reason. As has been stated other opiates can tend to just draw out the experience whereas cold turkey, while brutal, will allow you to power through it without prolonging things longer than they need be. It sounds like you just want to take a break so be prepared upon resuming to reach your old level quickly. Good luck to you. I suffer from chronic pain and will have a need for opiates for the foreseeable future so I'm kinda stuck in a rut but if you're just taking them to get high then get out before it gets any worse is my suggestion.
 
Well I have no choice other than to go cold turkey. I get 200mg once a month and then blow through it in 5-10 days, after those are gone I'm pretty much fucked until a have a stroke of luck and my guy gets 10/325 hydrocodone. One of the first couple times i went into withdrawal I kind of panicked and ordered a fuckton of tianeptine, binged through 10 grams in less than 3 weeks and I think that might have spiked my tolerance.

Also to plasticity, I was giving examples of drugs that work through opiate receptor activity and therefor don't want to use for withdrawal.
 
google or use the search function for "phreex guide to narcotic withdrawal". i am surprised no one has mentioned this to you yet. my suggestion dont taper get some loperamide, something to help you sleep ie. melatonin, benedryl, or benzos if you can control yourself with them, and last but not least some naproxyn sodium for the aches and pains. good luck
 
I'm hurting pretty good right now, I think it's been 3-4 days since my last dose. I think I'm gonna leave work and pick up some loperamide, is lope sold in pharmacies and large grocery stores? If I have to order the shit online then I guess I'll have to just tough it out.
 
thanks for the help pillman, the phreex guide helped. How much lope can be taken in a day? The recommended amount on the bottle says 16mg but these are different currcimstances.
 
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