Harm Reduction Theoretically Safe Weekly Drug Shedule

[blight12]

So I have always been interested in drug usage schedules that ensure no issues are experienced in terms of Dependency, Withdrawals, Tolerance and in some way addiction.

I noticed that my weekend coke usage over the past 7 years never got worse or resulted in issues with regards to the Big 3 above (bolded).
And even more surprisingly my meth usage of 3 day binges over weekends also never resulted in any issues around those 3 either and things never got worse over the last 7 months of weekend meth binges.

This last weekend however i noticed that my first time Heroin usage which went for 4 days straight DID result in minor withdrawals. SO, my tests so far have concluded that theoretically 3 day usage might be safe whereas 4 days might not. Obviously I understand that each drug will be different.

So im wondering if anybody has has thoughts on the "safety" of the below schedule specifically with regards to the 3 issues mentioned above. I am aware of other risks but this post is not about those.

Friday, Sat, Sunday - Meth - Type = Dopamine Based Stimulant

I already know this works since I have been doing this for a while. I keep this for weekends as it is very hedonistic for me and extremely nonconstructive and terrible for anything work related.
Think stupid emotional work emails or just not giving a shit about work.
Also the only reason this cant be less then 3 days is that I cant buy smaller quantities and the lowest QTY i can get hold of cant be done in fewer then 3 days otherwise i would be taking to much each day. And obviously its not like i can stop while i still have product, id like to know if anybody can do that honestly.

Monday & Tuesday - Heroin - Type = Opiate

4 days cause issues but I have not tested 2 days yet. Will test 2 days next weekend.
I chose this for the week since I noticed incredible motivation to do work without reduction in the quality of work, so this works perfectly for weekday usage.
I just need to know if 2 days is ok or if i should reduce to 1 day?
No there is no pharm opiate market here, so H is the only opiate choice/

Wednesday - Phenibut Rec Doses (2-5g tolerance dependent) - Type = GABA

(Or insert your favorite GABA drug here)

I tried Phenibut the first time today and it provides a very impressive mood lift/euphoria with zero intoxication or physical problems like reduced motor function at 2g with no tolerance.
Also works very well for motivation and doing work without reduction in work quality.
1 day only due to high tolerance spike with this drug. I find this similar to low dose Heroin, from a newbs point of view.
Oh and IMO better music appreciation then either H or Meth

Thursday - Rest/Recovery Day or evening Alcohol usage.
Or perhaps the final drug type remaining = Serotonin based like MDMA but i think this has cross tolerance issues with dopamine stimulants so if you want to i guess you could replace meth in the above schedule with MDMA but then you can only use 1 day, never multi day concurrent MDMA usage!

If my theory is correct that schedule should work perfectly theoretically as long as you stick to the schedule, correct?

The above represents a good spread between dopamine stimulant, opiate and GABA drug with no cross tolerance issues, correct?

I also think that avoiding having 1 drug as your major favorite and instead enjoying multiple opposing types (like stims & opiates) can help in a schedule spread that could keep you much safer then simply using 1 drug and trying to use that 1 drug safely, schedule wise.

I understand its not easy or possible for most people, but it works for me as i find no 1 specific drug or any of the the above ones so amazing to me that i want to do it all the time or not stick to my schedule or risk my business or my life over.
If you have some specific drug on a pedestal in your mind so to speak then i would just avoid all this and all drugs to be safe...

Thoughts?

Cheers.

 

[sekio]

Honestly, regular usage of any "hard" drugs will eventually result in dependence syndrome. We cannot tell you for sure what level of usage is "safe".

What you may find "safe" right now may not work for you in 2-3 mos.

 

[Somberlain]

Your plan might work for a while, but IME, tolerance will develop. It's like a different kind of tolerance when using like you plan to do. It doesn't develop as fast and easily noticeable as you might think. It comes on slow and hidden in the background and some day you notice, that you're not getting nearly as high as you used to from the same dosage.

Withdrawals maybe can be avoided, but there's no safety in assuming that, since your receptors are changing if you use regularely like with this schedule. So it could be that 3 days are "ok" in the beginning, but after a while 3 days might give you some minor symptoms (although they would obviously be really weak). And if you continue a long time with this schedule (which i don't think anyone would, see below) it might get worse until you always feel uncomfortable because you're always in some kind of craving for a drug (which often leads to just slowly dissolving the strict regulations of the schedule - and from there it can go downhill pretty quick).

But what i actually wanted to say is that there is a shitload of people who think they're smart and start something like this ("I'll make a plan like this and just avoid becoming addicted while still getting high all the time etc. Ha!"). The ones i know all failed miserably sooner or later.

edit: Please don't get me wrong. I don't want to say that you will fail. I can't know that because i don't know you. Maybe you are extremely self-disciplined etc. I'm just saying that many people have gone there before and failed.

edit 2: After reading what you wrote again i noticed that my answer might be just the kind of answer you didn't ask for. Sorry if that's the case.

 

[blight12]

Right ok thanks for the feedback.

My takeaway from the above 2 posts

1. Tolerance is not necessarily about concurrent or daily usage but can also occur with regular usage (like the above schedule) and of course there is the perception of tolerance where you simply get used to the drug and you may need more to appreciate it? Correct?

2. My schedule may be extremely difficult to stick to if you still experience strong cravings which you are likely to succumb and screw up your schedule.
For me im lucky in that way that for some reason a few years back cravings for any drug simply stopped 1 day, and i never have them anymore.
My drug use now is simply planned as it seems like it would be fun to do that day.
So if you still have cravings for certain drugs, this might not be for you.

3. Anything can happen that might effect the safety of your schedule and result in problems with the big 3 (bolded) above that might not have manifested when you started the schedule. There is no way to tell if this will happen to you. Proceed at your own risk basically, but I guess thats true for any drug usage.

 

[Somberlain]

Regarding 2: Well, i guess you're lucky then. Never heard of anything like this (i mean the sudden change), but i know a few people who seem resistant to it and/or have unbelieveable self-discipline, so i won't doubt it (as there is no point in doubting here anyway, since it is (and only can be) some kind of theoretical thinking - because nobody can predict such things accurately).

Regarding 1: That's my experience (and a few others'), but i don't claim any scientific basic for it.

Regarding 3: Jupp, pretty much sums it up.

 

[Tommyboy]

I've seen a few threads like this, and my thoughts on the subject is that it's just not safe for your mental well being. You would be addicted to a number of drugs mentally, and messing with your brain chemistry on a regular basis will catch up to you sooner or later.

The 3 day meth binge is enough to cause some problems in and of itself. Also there is probably going to be a benzo involved if you are taking meth for 3 days as you will be wanting something for the comedown. If you cut the meth use down to one day, took two days off and then used the opiate one day, and then the phenibut one day, then that's a little better, but still a lot to take on a weekly basis.

Yes you will likely avoid physical dependence this way, at least at first if you stick to the schedule, but the mental addiction will be there. Some people only use opiates one day a week, but if they are thinking about the one day a week they can finally use each day leading up to that, well it's almost as bad as someone who is using it regularly and thinks about it all the time.

 

[blight12]

Thanks Somberlain for clarifying! I will take these into account seriously before proceeding.

Yeah look to clarify my self discipline and self control was shocking and probably worse then many other people and this is still the case. I cant even go 3 days without a cig for example.... Things where bad for me a long while back with my drug use and things where getting worse fast for me before the lucky change...

I used to have stim cravings like is normal for others i guess, so bad that I couldn't not organize, if I didnt give in to the cravings, i would have horrible day or evening, thinking only of getting high. Then 1 day cravings just vanished as if instantly, without any lifestyle, environmental, drug usage frequency or any physical cause that i could identify then or even now with much more education on the topic.

The only thing i can think of is that somehow the physical damage caused by my serious MDMA abuse (around the same time, involving massive OD level dosages, multi day binge usage etc resulting in eventual SS, de realization/personalization etc so bad i stopped MDMA that week and never touched it again, even up to now 8 years down the line...) somehow rewired my brain in a way that stopped the mental/physical mechanism that causes cravings. I struggled with serious GA, PTSD and life limiting anxiety for 7 years after ceasing use of MDMA so even if it stopped cravings, the other mental fuckups make it not worth it, so, err, dont try this (obviously).

(I have wanted to post an ADD thread about this and what could possibly cause cravings to vanish, but dont usually like mentioning this since i dont want people to think im grandstanding or bragging about how awesome I am etc which is not what im doing...)

Anyways to close on this, I simply consider this a miracle that saved my ass and the one thing that has allowed me for example to use meth on weekends for months and never escalate or fuck up in the week or mess with my life or my career. Luck and not willpower or self discipline etc.

Tommy ^. Thank you for the response! My feedback:

Just as per your question regarding comedown. So far the meth high is killed on day 3 about 10 hours after product runs out and therefore the comedown is avoided by using Seroquel.
While this feels like it works like a BOSS, I still query the long term safety of this and thus I have a new ADD thread on this posted earlier today.

For the rest, can I summarize what you are saying as:

1. You might theoretically be able to avoid dependency specifically this way provided you stick with the schedule.
(Blight: Great! As I hoped.)

2. There can still be serious physical and mental health issues caused by this regular and constant drug use besides the big 3 concerns mentioned initially.
(Blight: I will definitely work on reducing these risks as well by following your advice as per point 3 below. Perhaps 1 week on the new modified schedule and 1 week off.
Thing is personally for me, by planning my drug use and using a schedule, it works very well for me personally to avoid escalation or inappropriate usage. This may not be effective for others)

3. Rather use the meth for 1 day instead of multi day binges so as to cut out all the other risks and health concerns with regular multi day binging.
(Blight: I agree, this 3 day meth use is my biggest concern still with this schedule and with regards to the risks other then the big 3.
The problem I have here is obtaining a quantity of meth that only lasts 1 day.
I have tried stopping with product remaining and this is the hardest thing ever. I seem to only be able to stop when its finished.
This either means dosing more over fewer days, which I have tried, resulting in OD type over-stimulation, psychotic behavior and bad physical issues like serious vaspC, or stopping with product left over, which has been proven impossible.

So i still need to somehow figure out how to reduce the duration of my meth binges.
Whats quite funny is that I have even been trying to find lower quality meth or normal amp which would result in it lasting for a much shorter duration, but I have failed at this if you can believe it. I never would have imagined myself purposely seeking out lower quality product and I find this extremely hilarious. The crystal here is just TO good and TO cheap ffs lol, wierd.
Other Suggestions on reducing my meth binge duration are very much welcome!).

4. While technical or physical addiction or dependency might be avoided, addiction can still occur, especially the dangerous mental addiction common with meth. Additionally planning drug use like this is simply another form of addiction, even if it doesn't cause dependency.
(Blight: I agree with this also especially as this factor is most likely to destroy most people attempting this strategy I guess. As mentioned this might work with me and a few others since I don't get cravings and thus my addiction and likelihood of usage and dosage escalation is kept in check, but others with cravings might struggle keeping to it.)

Is this all accurate so far? I now see the challenges in the practical implementation of this for others and the viability of sticking to the schedule. While it might work for my personality, it might be a terrible idea for you and for others. Therefore if this interests you, please see this as an exercise in theory only and therefore rather try implement concepts and conclusions in a way that works for you personally, instead of implementing word for word.

Any comments from others? I also welcome discussion or feedback on risks unrelated to the big 3.
I realize originally limiting this post to responses to the big 3 is unwise and might lead to incomplete and therefore misleading and damaging conclusions to other readers. Also links to similar past posts on this topic would be great, i couldn't find any initially though.

Cheers and thanks to all who can spare a moment to add their thoughts. Stay safe.

 

[blight12]

These points aside, if you're time-tabling your drug use to stay high all week you already have serious dependency issues. You'll need superhuman self-control to stick to that schedule, and 99.99% of people who think like you (I include myself in this demographic) don't have the willpower to make it work long-term.

Do yourself a favour and remain a weekend warrior, with sporadic breaks.

Yeah shit man, that really makes sense and cannot be ignored or denied. I am lucky to be able to use weekends only like now, why fuck it up?
While this post was theoretical for now and not my actual routine, i should ensure i dont make it so. Clearly 1 or 2 days per week is still to often for some drugs, like H.

I think what im going to do is meth one weekend and H the other. Kept to weekends and the week to recover and improve tolerance.
Is that viable? I truth i prefer this as I was uncomfortable with weekday drug use as its one of my "do not cross" lines which i attribute to successful drug use consistency without escalation or other issues. Weekends only. Works for me and follows my major rules:
1. No weekday or daily drug use
2. No functional drug use other then fun/rec only.
Simple and effective.