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The truth about DPH

M3thadone Madn3ss

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First let me begin by explaining my situation...

When I was 19 years old, I was diagnosed with Osteosarcoma, an aggressive bone cancer that goes for the lungs upon metastasis and is nearly impossible to kill once it's there. I carried a tumor in my hip for over 9 months, until it was the size of a softball. I beat the cancer, despite the 4% success probability, but gave my leg and the left half of my hip and pelvis as payment. My treatment ended mid-July of 2008. Throughout the process, I took nearly every form of pain med offered by the medical world. Hydrocodone’s, Oxycodone’s IR and ER, Morphine both liquid and solid, Ultram (supplemented with Lyrica at times and Neurontin at others), Methadone, and the mother of all: Dilaudid IV and Oral. This is not an attempt to brag, I just want to get across that I am speaking from self-experience, not basing this on things I have read or heard from others. I have also partaken in recreational drug use, including opium (smoking), coke (although I only tried it once out of curiosity and never had a habit), marijuana (smoked and ingested), Cilicybin mushrooms, and a handful of RX’s that everyone know and love.
I was never addicted to any of these drugs. The pain meds I was taking to relieve a horrible situation. Phantom pain would cause my missing leg to feel like it was trapped in a large garbage disposal, and taking meds for intense pain lowers the probability of forming an addiction based habit. You’re just in too much pain to enjoy the drug enough to get hooked. I took methadone for nearly two years after my surgery, and April of 2010 I decided I didn’t want to take it anymore. I flushed the rest of the pills I had from the previous script, and haven’t touched it since. As far as the recreational use, I never became addicted based solely on will power.
Now, on to the reason for this thread. While I was receiving chemo, I had bouts of nausea. The protocol in the hospital was to hook up a “cocktail”, which was a mixture of Benadryl, Ativan, and Reglan. By the third week of my 10 months in the hospital off and on, I was completely hooked. The feeling that came over me as soon as that Benadryl hit my system was the best feeling in the world. It felt like being wrapped in a warm blanket, still at a young enough age that there was no such thing as problems, and experiencing a prolonged orgasm type rush (Don’t go crazy on this parallel, I just can’t figure out any other way to explain it). I know that this feeling was caused by the diphenhydramine and not the Ativan because I started to request cocktails with no Reglan or Ativan after the first two months, and it felt the same. After being released from the hospital for good and losing access to IV Benadryl, I immediately began taking it in pill form. The feeling wasn’t as intense, but it lasted much longer. Within a couple of months I was taking between 20 and 30 pills of DPH every night (500-750mg). My excuse to myself was that it helped me fall asleep, but I was enjoying the buzz much much more than the effect of passing out and sleeping for 18 hours. I would fight to stay awake for hours just so I could enjoy it as long as possible.
I ran into several of the commonly known side effects of DPH overdose. I would have an extremely dry mouth and throat, making swallowing difficult. I would lose the ability to judge the volume of my voice, and would almost always mutter quietly or whisper when talking to someone. I had periods where I felt I couldn’t move my body. Most intense side effect was that I lost the ability to distinguish reality from my thoughts. I would be talking to someone and completely jump tracks to a different sentence, in mid-sentence. “Yea I was just wondering if we were still gonna hang out tomorrow, because the groceries are all in the fridge.” I would realize I was doing this when the people I was talking to would become extremely confused and suspicious. Sometimes I would be sitting somewhere completely spaced out, and would just start talking to someone who wasn’t there, completely mid-sentence as well. I once dropped the TV remote, sending the batteries flying out, then proceeded to put some of my Ultram into the battery slot and hand it to my Fiancé.
There have been a few occasions where some of my friends decided to try DPH, they saw me taking it and enjoying it immensely. Out of four friends who tried it, I’m the only one that really enjoys it. It gave them an overall feeling of restlessness, and they mostly didn’t attempt to push through the beginning stages where you feel like sleeping would be the best thing in the world to do.
Now, I’ve read up on DPH, and I know that a lot of people don’t believe you can possibly become addicted to it. At least in my personal case, this is false. I sleep fine without it, I don’t suffer from allergies, and I’m no longer taking opiates besides a few Ultram a day. I remember the feeling in my chest when the nurses would shoot 4mg of Dilaudid into my IV. The intense rush and body buzz. DPH feels better, hands down. I think that the type of reaction I get from taking DPH is rare. It doesn’t take half a gram for me to get this feeling. I can take 8x25mg pills and get that rush for 15 minutes or so, not even approaching the point where I disassociate reality and thoughts. This low dose was still uncomfortable for them. To me, this proves that this drug CAN be addictive, while also supporting the argument of those who scoff at the drug, and believe otherwise. More people that try it end up not liking it and stop, so the majority believes it’s BS. DPH IS an addictive drug for a percentage of the people that try it.
If I try to cold turkey DPH, about 17 hours later I get hit with a wave of nausea that causes me to vomit within 30 minutes after it hits. Eating, drinking, taking opiates, none of it helps in the least. On the other hand, I could take 20 pills per night for two weeks, and the following day, only take 4 a day for a week and never have problems with nausea. Obviously, my body is physically dependent on DPH, though not as severely as an opiate. This is not a psychological thing. I highly doubt my subconscious would realize I hadn’t taken any and cause me to become nauseous, and there have been frequent occasions when I would start feeling sick before I even realized it had been a while since I last dosed. Physical dependency? You betcha.
I have spoken to three different doctors who insist there are no long term risks to habitual overdosing of DPH. I don’t accept this at the drop of a hat, because there has never been a solid study to prove or disprove this statement, but if the damage done is insignificant enough that no one wants to study it, I don’t put too much stock into worrying about it. I have heard of people attempting suicide by overdosing on DPH, some taking as many as 50 pills or more. Instead of dying, they completely disassociated for hours on end and would feel like they were in a dream for the following week or so . Deaths are extremely rare, even when attempting suicide.**
So, to me, DPH is a very addictive drug...

What do you think?

* : http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-is-the-street-price-of-heroine
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin_dose1.shtml

** : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9662109
 
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Please make sure you have a look at the guidelines and posting standards (in my signature) as this isn't OD material and price discussion is not allowed.

Normally I would close a thread like this and advise you to put this type of material in your BL blog but your doses and potential long term risks concern me so I'll leave it open (in Basic Drug Discussion) so we can get some information on this.

If the BDD mods decide to close this though, that's their decision.



--->BDD
 
My apologies, I'll make sure to read the guide lines tonight.

Also, I want to make it clear that I'm not condoning DPH as a recreational drug. I went through an extremely tramatic experience and found a coping mechanism in DPH. I needed an escape to help me process losing my leg and my identity. The point I am trying to make is that there are safer alternatives to an extreme opiate like experience than the really hard opiates. DPH builds a slow dependency and you don't require anywhere near the fatal dose in order to completely lose yourself. If you as the reader are looking for a new way to escape, or for your first way, it's much less harmful to your body, and carries little to no long term side effects. It may be worth it to you to give it a shot and save yourself from crossing that line.

Above all be cautious
 
Sorry about that, I was under the impression that the members of this forum could all read a couple of pages if they found interest in the topic or argument.

Would you like me to make a picture book version for you?
 
My apologies, I'll make sure to read the guide lines tonight.

Also, I want to make it clear that I'm not condoning DPH as a recreational drug. I went through an extremely tramatic experience and found a coping mechanism in DPH. I needed an escape to help me process losing my leg and my identity. The point I am trying to make is that there are safer alternatives to an extreme opiate like experience than the really hard opiates. DPH builds a slow dependency and you don't require anywhere near the fatal dose in order to completely lose yourself. If you as the reader are looking for a new way to escape, or for your first way, it's much less harmful to your body, and carries little to no long term side effects. It may be worth it to you to give it a shot and save yourself from crossing that line.

Above all be cautious

Did you even read the NIH study that you linked above? The findings of that study were that large doses of DPH can cause pulmonary edema--hardly a minor potential side effect. Regardless of the relatively small amount of information on diphenhydramine specifically, the danger of high doses of anticholinergic drugs has been well documented.

I understand you wanting to talk about your experience, but why on earth would you want to encourage someone to take a drug that, for most people, acts as a severely unpleasant delirient? In addition to being an all around awful experience, the hallucinations could be very harmful in terms of what one might do without realizing.
 
Sorry about that, I was under the impression that the members of this forum could all read a couple of pages if they found interest in the topic or argument.

Would you like me to make a picture book version for you?

I don't care what you do, but please just give China back their wall. The Mongolians keep storming into their country and Taiwan is demanding to be acknowledged as an independent country.
 
I used diph IV with my bupe for a long time and while the norm for combining the two is 25-50mg IV, I would almost never use less than 100mg in a shot. When other drugs would become unavailable for whatever reason, I would find myself stealing (but mostly just buying) a box of 72 25mg pills. Sometimes I would finish the box in 24 hours without mixing other drugs due to their lack of presence. It does provide some sort of relief....although it got to the point where i would either get the desired effect or become extremely skin crawly cant sleep restless feeling. That did not stop me from redosing to try and get to the deleriant stage back. Sometimes it worked, other times not. I have since stopped taking any opiates and using needles (good for me I know), However I will occasionally pop a few of your average PM medicine orally and get an effect that gives me that "downer in my system" feeling. I don't know why I keep going back, and now I take less orally for that feeling than i used to do in one shot (yes I shot it all by itself more times than I care to admit). There is an addictive quality as it is a sleep aid and if you stop using a sleep aid you will feel rebound (or wd if you will) effects of some sort. This OP was going above and beyond what I would take but bioavailability comes into play we were probably on par with one another for a bit. It cured what ailed me in those hard times...unless I went into that dysphoric skin crawly state it can produce witch was not dose dependent and was really like rolling the dice for a nice evening or a "why do I keep doing this?" evening. I don't think the OP is fabricating this story for all you people who love to hate anything you can buy OTC, in addition to this rather eye opening post, I really wish I had loperamide tonight not just because of what it's meant for but also that .023% that DOES cross the BBB. Sorry I can't pull the link up for that stat but it was found in medical writings.
 
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