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The "spit" trick does not work with suboxone (headaches)

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I get very bad migraines from suboxone. Every time I take a dose (8mg film). I have brought this up to my doctor and he doesn't seem to care. I spit the saliva out every time the sub is done dissolving and I still get headaches. What else can I try? Other medications are not helping my headache go away :[. been on sub 8mg twice daily for 32 days. Thanks.
 
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Try some diphenhydramine (Benadryl), maybe 25 mg, 30 min. - 60 min, before dosing the Suboxone. This might help a good deal. Also, you might want to consider upping your caffeine intake. Those could easily help with these buprenorphine-induced headaches.
 
The nalaxone in the suboxone was giving me headaches..because I switched to the generic subutex and the headaches never would come on when I would dose anymore. Notice they come on after dosing and not like after it's worn off. I also feel this like permastone which takes a few days to recover.

I will recommend lowering your dose immediately.. it's only been a month so it won't be tough. You are on a fairly high dose...you really should get it down now other wise you will have to struggle tapering it down. It is beneficial in every way because you get more side effects with the massive doses (considering this drug is prescribed in microgram dosages as a painkiller overseas)...I would try to cut in half and let your self level out at least. For maintenance I don't see any point in maintaining at over 8mg which is pretty much a blocking dose.. I am not sure what your situation is..I mean if you just switched over from 200mg methadone you might need that 16mg a day.. but I am not sure of the situation.. It's common that doctors prescribe huge dosages for very moderate habits.

So first thing I would do is start cutting your dose 2nd thing is call the doc ask him to call in a script of subutex instead of suboxone to get rid of the nalaxone and see if that helps with the headaches. I know my friend was getting headaches from suboxone too. I won't even take them I get such abad headache after.
 
Thanks for the reply. I was doing 300mg of oxy a day for 5 years. I need the 16mg a day to keep from being in W/D. I've tried to cut it down to half the dose a day but when I did that I started to feel sick again. I've tried to get subutex from my doctor but he WILL NOT prescribe it to me because he says the suboxone is not giving me headaches. He told me my primary care doctor has to deal with it and prescribe me something for headaches. I don't know what to do, I've tried to get another sub doc but here in Buffalo they are very expensive :[ ... My doc wont give me anything but the films. and aslo wont prescribe me anything for my terrible anxiety.
 
I will tell you now that it probably felt like you needed 16mg because the transition to bupe sucks..but you'd be surprised...it really takes like 10 days for you body to really get adjusted and start on bupe.. i;ve made the mistake of thinking I needed so much bupe becuase i just kept piling it on b/c I was nto feeling any better..biut you dont get instant releif like crazy if you have a serious habit.

I am not telling you waht to do but i will tell you for me.. I used to use the same amoutn of oxy before I switched to dope, and I was able to be held on 4-6 mg no problem after the initual induction phase of a few shitty ass days.. i've done it time after time I used to use the exact same amount befoer I switched to heroin.


I was in 80mg methadone for a year and swithced to bupe and 12mg held me after the transitional phase. Bupe is REALLY powerful. The amount you are taking now is going to boost your tolerance.. 16mg bupe is way more than 300mg oxycodone IME. Anyone can chiem in though if they disagree.. just my opinion I am stating.

Is the headaches only happening directly after you dose.. like do you think it is the nalaxone? Do you know anyone with a bupe script>? Can you get subutex to try out so you just know for your self? maybe you can print out some accoutns of people talking about horrible headaches from nalaxone.

That was the whole reason I switched to generic bupe I even told my doctor that but hes easy going.
 
The headache happen exactly 80 to 120 minutes after dosing. They started out as normal headaches but they have progressed to migraines. I get migraines a day lasting about 4-5 hours each in the morning and at night when I dose. I've been trying to find someone with subutex off the street or from another doctor for a trial run to see if it is in fact the Naxalone that is creating the migraines. But it is impossible to find it either way in my town. My doctor does not trust me one bit. He counts my films ever visit and gives me a drug test every time I come in. I have never been off with my films. I have never failed a drug test. I understand why he does this, but really dude. I went to suboxone because I wanna get off drugs.
 
SEee that sucks bro cause you are really working the program legitamtely ane your doctor is so preoccupied thinking your like lying and shit he is totally disregarding shit that coul dmake or break your sobriety in the long run. What state are you in? If suboxone doctors are plentiful id say call around find a new doc bro.

Like after trial and error I found an awesome doc.. takes insurance, walk in clinic no appt necessary, drug test a few times a year, no pill counts, no randoms, and he'll give you temazepam or xanax as a sleep aid not as an allday anxiety thing though.

Check suboxone.com for your area then go to your insurance company and cross reference the doc names you find.. ideally you find one that atkes your insurance and it;ll only cost you your copay as if you went to see a doc for an ear infection or something.
 
I live in Buffalo,NY. I've tried to find a new doctor and it hasn't went very well. Most of them are CASH only of 1400 for treatment. Or most do not take insurance. Also, the only thing they prescribe around are the Films. Which piss me off because I have problems with those too, they get stuck to my teeth, they never dissolve fully. Yesterday I sat down and called 15 sub docs and they were all either full of patients, did not except insurance, or even with insurance they were WAY over my price range. This fucking blows.
 
Honestly this doctor is gonna cause my relaspe because of how stressed out he makes me. Half the time he's a fucking prick to me about everything. If I miss one of the 5 NA meetings I go to he freaks the fuck out on me.
 
That is outrageous!!! $1400 is out of this world bro that;s really insanely lame i can';t beleive it. How do they expect anyone to get clean like that.

How would he know if you miss.. does he make you get a paper signed? He requires NA meetings to get the bupe? That's weird as fuck too bro this guy has like a personal interest in making peoles lives shit. He's like the bully.
 
Tell me about it bro, other places make you pay 200$ every 2 weeks! Some are even worse! ALSO the assessment for these places are 350$ NO INSURANCE COVERAGE AT ALL and also non-refundable it you get denied into the program. He doesn't make me sign anything but the guy fucking intarigates me every time I have a appointment with him. Yes he requires NA meetings and a Drug Consular which is 70$ per visit once a week. I got royally boned on my doctor bro.
 
Well i'll tell you now you will not get denied.. you are on bupe right now and treatment is going well you are on good terms with your doctor. And if you try hard enough you might be able to convince them to forget about the 2 week bullshit and let you come 30 days apart right off teh bat.. they wont need to monitor your transition becuase you are just switchign docs the meds are staying the same atleast the dose size is..maybe you switch to generic bupe.

I have never heard of a doctor requiring na and counseling that's really surprising. I mean it's not bad.. helps you stay clean right? I mean yo you make your own luck.. right now you have a shitty doctor.. just hit the pavement hard man like you have been calling doctors. You are better off to have a docto rhtats far as fuck you can see once every month or every 45 days or something then a close one who's so shitty he is about to make you relapse b/c he is preoccupied making sure everoyne goes to meetings and shit.

Meetings and counseling..thats stuff yo have to want to do. I don't think you get anythign out of it if you are forced in and faloling asleep while your litening. And you can;'t blame me for trying lol..
 
Yea I am gonna try again today to find someone, but I feel like it being the weekend is gonna compromise the ability of getting a hold of one. Bro, NA meetings are fucking terrible, unless I am 30 years sober. I might wanna be there to tell my story to prevent someone from using and going down the right path. But at 22 I don't give a fuck about other people's problems. I have enough of my own! Yea the only thing I like about my doc is he is a 10 min car ride away, only thing good about him. You are probably right, I will find a good doc 45 mins to an hour away. But thats better then wasting money on piss tests every other week.
 
How long have you bneen on sub? You should not have to go every 2 weeks thats outrageous yo. Every 30 days is standard once your been on it for like a month or more.
 
34 days. I was suppose to be once a month 2 weeks ago but he found out I missed my Drug Consular meeting because my car was in the shop, which was apparently my fault that I didn't have 700$ on hand to get my car fixed so I could make the meeting.
 
Sorry, I'm skipping all the banter about $ and insurance companies...

16mg/day is a bit too much unless you're just coming off of a street opiate (which you aren't), so as another user said, start tapering down. Honestly, I'd wager some $ you could get down to 4-6mg/day within 2-3 weeks pretty easily (and not even really notice). If anything, you'll notice that you feel better in every aspect. Suboxone is dirty imo. Keeps you in the same spot as shooting 5 bags a day does, just in the govt's hand (pocket) instead.

If your doctor is insistent on being terrible, find another one (yes, I know suboxone doctors can be tough to find / get in with - I imagine already being on a program ought to work in your favor because it shows you're clean but having an issue elsewhere than the drug itself).

Good luck.
 
^This.

There are lots of doctors out there, if yours isn't working out for you, find another one.

Check out the Suboxone megathread in Other Drugs....this isn't the appropriate place to discuss issues with Suboxone doctors anyway.

Closing now.
 
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