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the phantom zone: what would do to defeat yourself?

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say an evil you wants to kill you and take over your life disastrously, considering they know everything you do, and have your same skills, what would you do to defeat them? is it even possible to win?

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this thread is a break from all the free will versus determinism threads posted lately...






...or is it?
 
i think this happened, metaphorically, to me. its not possible to even want to win, thats part of the evil. you only want to serve its purpose. every attempt to defeat them resulted in severe punishment, and entrenched despair and hopelessness. you don't win, you just get sent to treatment for brainwashing, and it frightens you so much you never want to go back, no matter how much you miss your disease.

maybe i am a fundamentally weak soul, but i've been in group therapy's, and my view tends to be the consensus.

unfortunately because of this intense personal perspective, i'm not really capable of holding a defensible philosophical perspective, i hope that someone is able to make an unbiased contribution, though i wonder if- like the ultimate sacrfice question, you have to have been there to know.
 
Great question & I wrestle with it on a frequent basis.


In this scenario are there two corporeal beings with the same skills knowledge etc or is it a spirit type battle that takes place in one being ?

its not possible to even want to win, thats part of the evil.

I understand where you're coming from but I'm not sure that I hold the same view.
I think it takes careful consideration in subtle cases and no consideration at all in extreme cases.
 
What do we mean by evil here? Cos I don't think that evilness can be seperated from the normal homogenous self. Its a relatively meaingless duality like night/day, good/bad, Lennon/Macartney, etc.

I mean, I have been described, many times now as immoral, selfish, manipulative and somewhat cruel, but I know that I am also the inverseof these things. I don't know that I could acknowledge my good side if I couldn't acknowledge my bad side; they are intimately related.

I think its possible to win; however, if one became completely 'evil', there would be little moral compulsion to correct one's behaviour. However, I don't believe in good or evil, except as rather vague verbs. Depending where you stand, anything can be good and anything can be evil.
 
^it doesn't matter. the point of the exercise is not these semantics. what matters is that there is another you who is committed to corrupt your existence. they will stop at nothing to go against your interests (whatever that may mean).

consider that they have your skills and memory. on this point alone, you know you can't rely on these to get any upper hand. what do you have left? what else is there?

chinup, i can comprehend the demons you're talking about. i've wrestled one particular balrog for some time.
 
^it doesn't matter. the point of the exercise is not these semantics. what matters is that there is another you who is committed to corrupt your existence. they will stop at nothing to go against your interests (whatever that may mean).


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an interesting thing about all the semantics is, how they are so exhaustive to an individual, and the point is generally always the same tho everyone has their own interpretation that they are often willing to defend.

as far as the actual challenge, seems one has to accept mediocrity, and patience hoping for some sort of eventual equality, if there is even ever a chance.!
 
You all are thinking too much about strengths, and not enough about weaknesses--he'll (or she'll, for you females) have those, too. Sure, he'll know about "mine", but that also means he'll be equally inept at dealing with them; for instance, if he were totally committed to destroying me, that wouldn't a realistic action for my doppelganger at all, because I'm almost never totally committed to *anything*. I have to feel like I'm doing something important and useful, and my evil twin--if he were truly dedicated to destroying me--would also feel useless at doing something other than meaningful work, and "destroying alter ego" is not one in any conceivable means that I can envision. I generally hate rocking the boat, which my evil twin would also hate, and that's no way to go about destroying yourself. And on, and on...

In other words, my evil twin would be an indecisive, stubborn, overcautious, nervous wreck whose native intelligence and creativity would be neatly counterbalanced. Much more fearsome would be an evil counterpart whose strengths were *exactly* opposite to my weaknesses, in which case he wouldn't be a twin at all, but some crazed entity that has most of my marbles.
 
^hahaha, well played. in that vain, you know behind my "break in case of emergency" glass is a shoe and a mousetrap. =D
 
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