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Berdo tm1

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I know alot of people say that its irrational to think that natural only means its better for you since there are many counter examples where natural things will also maim/kill you but i dont think its entirely frivolous to think this.

I have shied away from synthetic substances which may help my depression due to trying to 'do it natural' but having crossed nearly everyhting off that list im starting to have to rethink my position.

In one sense I understand that lots of natural things can kill you but my main reasoning is that synthetic substances humans never evolved to have defenses against like natural things.

Its like a vid I watched on radiation recently that said that we have natural defenses for uranium cos its everywhere around us to a degree (might be way off but thats what i remember him saying :P) but with plutonium since its man made we never evolved defenses against them.

isnt that the same with synthetic substances?

In my whole 'drug career' the synthetic substances are the ones that made me feel most like shit- mdma, speed. whereas stuff like mushrooms weed, felt easier on the body.

Then again epherdrine is natural isnt it and i felt aweful from that just like speed only a bit less so. So maybe its just a matter of how strong the substances in question are? Thoughts?
 
Natural is better is just an argument used by people who havent done their research. There are thousands of poisonous chemicals that are natural. Morphine is natural but incredibly addictive. There are tons of pharms that are ridiculously safe and non addictive. Natural vs. Synthetic means absolutely nothing except where the drug came from (duh)
 
I generally lean towards thinking natural is better, but only because most natural drugs like cannabis, opium, kratom, mushrooms, dmt, etc. have more desirable chemicals in them, and often contain a mix of different similar chemicals that all affect attributes of the high.

Then again, my two favorite drugs aside from cannabis are both synthetic, so go figure.
 
doesn't matter. both can be bad as one another

We have just found that there are better drugs and they happen to be mostly natural, so in that sense you could say you generally prefer natural drugs but that's not why they are better.
 
zzz101 said:
doesn't matter. both can be bad as one another

We have just found that there are better drugs and they happen to be mostly natural, so in that sense you could say you generally prefer natural drugs but that's not why they are better.
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exactly.
 
Is it not a valid point to say you are more likely to have anitibodies against thing that you evolved around?

ALso this is something i wodnered recently...how does the body know how to digest chemicals that were created synthetically? why dont they produce wild mutant reactions and thigns? is it to do with the fact that there are oly so many thingies on the periodic table and if you make something that resembles something natural then itll probably have the same effects?

Ie you can guess how soemthing synthetic will react on the body based on its chemical composition evne tho its never interacted witha body before?
 
Whats to discuss? Some occur on our planet natrually, however you believe so, and others exist/are waiting to be found in this realm.

The real discussion is what discoveries are worthwhile while others are not.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
whereas stuff like mushrooms weed, felt easier on the body.

Then again epherdrine is natural isnt it and i felt aweful from that just like speed only a bit less so. So maybe its just a matter of how strong the substances in question are? Thoughts?
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It's not a matter of how strong the substance is, it's just a matter of how your body (or in some cases, the human body in general) reacts to the substance..

If you wanna try a more toxic / natural high.. have a crack at Datura... From personal experience, believe me, it leaves you feeling well fucking poisoned.
 
"Natural vs. Synthetic" is mostly meaningless. Research the particular chemicals/substances, that is what matters! LSD is infinitely safer than datura, less addictive then opium, yet LSD is the pure chemical - the world isn't black & white, lots of people just wish it was 'cause thats easy to figure out.
 
As nearly everyone else has already mentioned, it doesn't matter one bit.

There are vastly useful and safe natural substances. There are vastly useful and safe synthetic substances.

There are incredibly dangerous natural substances. There are incredibly dangerous synthetic substances.

Natural substances have been around longer and typically have a wider body of knowledge about them in regard to human consumption and its effects. Other than that however, no real conclusion could possibly be made about either class of materials being superior to the other.
 
SirTophamHat said:
Natural substances have been around longer and typically have a wider body of knowledge about them in regard to human consumption and its effects.
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I was about to say that. which hasnt been mentioned yet. even if something MAY be safe today like ssris they dont have the great track record like alcohol and nicotine do for instance (i keed :P) but ye within your own lifetime you arent gonna find out if something made within your lifetime is properly safe but the good ol boys you already know from our ancestors etc.

so no1 answered my other quesiton, how is it that we know that a totally new substance wont cause wildly unpredictable effects, can a proper understanding of chemistry allow us to predict what it will do to the body baseed on its chemical composition. ofc there are always unknowns but generally speaking?
 
Some synthetic chemicals do occur naturally. Given the choice between my current med, and the same active compound, produced synthetically, I would choose synthetic, as it reduces the risk from contaminants, including viruses like HIV and hepatitis.
 
^ Exactly. This should be the drugs vs drugs thread. Eat a lethal dose of datura and argue that natural drugs are any better than synthetics 8)
 
Also thinking about even a good strong hangnover rivals any synthetics ive had before :/ I can safely say i can be happy never to touch alcohol again. that was the substance that always ended up wrecking other drugs i may have had and getting me in trouble etc.

I think for me the issue isnt necessarily about the harm but more as a hypochondriac the older the drug the longer track record it has so the safer i feel taking something which has a longer history. obvioulsy i only choose those ones that have a long history and the least negative effects.
 
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