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TomGreenOFCL
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Do you think feminists from the 60s-80s who raised more emotionally open boys has had an effect on life?
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TomGreenOFCL
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your moms a broad. so boom. maybe not.
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TomGreenOFCL
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oh and a serious answer to your bromantic response before this gets moved, papers are automatically matched word for word in a computer system for all essays subbmitted in the country and all content copywritten or published, derpus.
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lolol brohams security....
PriestTheyCalledHim
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Yes I do but I can only speak for myself since I have relatives who are feminist some of whom were "feminist" before the term was invented, and who while married to men did hold jobs or became educated when most people didn't even graduate highschool, and if you were a woman you did not work and took care of the home.
But my relatives were and are not the "radfem" type or people who are feminist but really extreme/radical like Andrea Dworkin was who go on about the patriarchy, how men are to blame for everything or that men constantly oppress women simply because they're men/male, that porn or sex appeal leads to rape, and that people who are transgender/transsexual or just transvestites who dress in drag at times of the opposite sex/gender are hurting women.
I had one feminist relative tell me how what's called "male privilege" has not existed in North America, Europe, or most of the Western world since the early or mid 1960s or early 1970s at the latest.
But my relatives were and are not the "radfem" type or people who are feminist but really extreme/radical like Andrea Dworkin was who go on about the patriarchy, how men are to blame for everything or that men constantly oppress women simply because they're men/male, that porn or sex appeal leads to rape, and that people who are transgender/transsexual or just transvestites who dress in drag at times of the opposite sex/gender are hurting women.
I had one feminist relative tell me how what's called "male privilege" has not existed in North America, Europe, or most of the Western world since the early or mid 1960s or early 1970s at the latest.
kytnism
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while i know this is probably a troll post, im going to respond.
ive always been a hater of the apparent “feminist” movement and its scars left on society for both sexes. since the apparent movement, women try and juggle multiple roles that are too difficult to handle and make them miserable and men have become more effeminate and less willing to provide for their families in their role. as a result, divorce is imminent, families are commonly broken, and men and women no longer know where they stand socially and have forgotten how to connect with one another.
rules and guidelines are set for a reason. women are supposed to behave as so, as are men in being gentlemen. the mish mash that occurred between history; has deemed us a role less society, a “free” society. this "society" has never been more lost in their life journey than ever before and people as a result (male or female) have never felt so alone…
feminism? what a joke. whatever happened to humankind? plural, not singular, non political/non sexual…
...kytnism...
ive always been a hater of the apparent “feminist” movement and its scars left on society for both sexes. since the apparent movement, women try and juggle multiple roles that are too difficult to handle and make them miserable and men have become more effeminate and less willing to provide for their families in their role. as a result, divorce is imminent, families are commonly broken, and men and women no longer know where they stand socially and have forgotten how to connect with one another.
rules and guidelines are set for a reason. women are supposed to behave as so, as are men in being gentlemen. the mish mash that occurred between history; has deemed us a role less society, a “free” society. this "society" has never been more lost in their life journey than ever before and people as a result (male or female) have never felt so alone…
feminism? what a joke. whatever happened to humankind? plural, not singular, non political/non sexual…
...kytnism...
Personally I don't think feminism has had an affect on the trees in my garden nor the blades of grass and the ants that climb them. Learn to phrase the question properly.
I agree with kytnism. Feminism might not have happened if all the men hadn't got so bloody high and hypnotized by the freely swinging boobs. Some people blame feminism, and whilst it is justified I think the blame needs to be also placed on the rampant substance use combined with all the free sex.. we opened certain doors of perception that should have remained closed. The decay we've had since the 60's is pretty apparent to me especially in terms of our moral constitution. Biggest mistake we made was accepting morality as a subjective attitude.
I agree with kytnism. Feminism might not have happened if all the men hadn't got so bloody high and hypnotized by the freely swinging boobs. Some people blame feminism, and whilst it is justified I think the blame needs to be also placed on the rampant substance use combined with all the free sex.. we opened certain doors of perception that should have remained closed. The decay we've had since the 60's is pretty apparent to me especially in terms of our moral constitution. Biggest mistake we made was accepting morality as a subjective attitude.
while i know this is probably a troll post, im going to respond.
ive always been a hater of the apparent “feminist” movement and its scars left on society for both sexes. since the apparent movement, women try and juggle multiple roles that are too difficult to handle and make them miserable and men have become more effeminate and less willing to provide for their families in their role. as a result, divorce is imminent, families are commonly broken, and men and women no longer know where they stand socially and have forgotten how to connect with one another.
rules and guidelines are set for a reason. women are supposed to behave as so, as are men in being gentlemen. the mish mash that occurred between history; has deemed us a role less society, a “free” society. this "society" has never been more lost in their life journey than ever before and people as a result (male or female) have never felt so alone…
feminism? what a joke. whatever happened to humankind? plural, not singular, non political/non sexual…
...kytnism...
You can't possibly mean throughout all history though, right? What about voting rights etc? Or do you not consider the suffrage movement feminism?
At what point do you personally feel feminism went from being necessary to not being so?
As far as rules and roles go, do you believe anybody (man or woman) should be able to say "i do not want that role", and should be able to pursue whatever role they want, without added obstacles? I'm a firm believer that no one has the right to attempt to control what anyone's lot in life is.
I also believe it would be helpful if we all came to a consensus on how we are defining "feminism". My wife for instance, believes that feminism means choice. To her it means that she should have the opportunity to do anything a man can do, provided she has the ability to perform just as well. To her, it means the choice to stay home and raise the kids or be a cold blooded business woman that works 60 hours per week if she chooses. As a man, I pretty much believe the same.
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JessFR
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Ever notice how mosts men's rights movements seem to talk a lot less about men's right and a lot more about how much women suck?
socko
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First, I'm a Feminist. I believe in mutual respect, equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay, and equal responsibilities. Unfortunately, my kind of feminism is kind of rare in the Western world and has been replaced by man-hating feminism.
I think Andrea Dworkin's misandrist (Feminazi for those who don't know the word misandrist) strain of feminism has hijacked and poisoned feminism. As you said, Dworkin blames men for all of the world's problems. She was also batshit crazy and delusional, claiming all sex is rape, famously claiming to have been raped at a hotel in 1999 in a controversial magazine article (it's widely believed to be a false-rape claim and has hurt real rape victims), and supporting incest. She basically blamed others for her own problems and didn't make any effort to make things better. I suspect that it was convenient for her to create a form of feminism that compensates for her personal failings. She puts down anyone (men) who wanted to succeed and anyone (attractive women) who cared about their looks. My own female relatives were all blind followers of Dworkin's strain of feminism. You can imagine the effect that species of feminism had on my childhood.
Overall, forms of feminism that are based on man hating seem to dominate in the US, and it has hurt men. Even in the media, men seem to be portrayed as goofy, bumbling, second rate human beings; the divroce rate in teh US is 60%; 70% of those divorces are started by women; and divorce settlements favor women overwhelming.
It has also given American Women a bad reputation overseas in non-English speaking countries (except South America). As a single man who lived in the US and formerly dated American women, I saw first hand the effects of this kind of feminism on daily male-female interactions - it created a hostile atmosphere. All men are assumed to be sexual predators. In the words of one female when referring to me, " creepers who are trying to get their pervon," whatever that's supposed to mean.
Anohter effect is that most men of my generation don't check out, leer, whistle, or stare at women. A loud active minority still do those things and worse which makes us all look bad.... I've never even flirted or tried to "pick up" an American Woman, but I can feel hostility, see their muscles and face tense up, and sometimes overhear their nasty comments when I'm in the same room with them.
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JessFR
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Truthfully, I'm no fan of the kinds of feminists I think most can agree are extreme and have taken it well beyond anything to do with what feminism should really be about. But I also think the term feminazi is even more poisoned and that there's a lot of misogynists hiding themselves in with people who have genuine criticisms of extremist feminism and genuine misandry in society. I hate all sexism really, and I do see it happening to men too. As usual the problem is extremism. And extremists, misogynists, and misandrists are usually the loudest voices in any debate on the subject which is why normally I try to avoid them.
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ed.ston
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while i know this is probably a troll post, im going to respond.
ive always been a hater of the apparent “feminist” movement and its scars left on society for both sexes. since the apparent movement, women try and juggle multiple roles that are too difficult to handle and make them miserable and men have become more effeminate and less willing to provide for their families in their role. as a result, divorce is imminent, families are commonly broken, and men and women no longer know where they stand socially and have forgotten how to connect with one another.
rules and guidelines are set for a reason. women are supposed to behave as so, as are men in being gentlemen. the mish mash that occurred between history; has deemed us a role less society, a “free” society. this "society" has never been more lost in their life journey than ever before and people as a result (male or female) have never felt so alone…
feminism? what a joke. whatever happened to humankind? plural, not singular, non political/non sexual…
...kytnism...
+1. Pretty close to where I stand.
+ On this, also. And I'm not even married.
That sounds fucked up. Sorry it had to happen to you. It seems to me you've grown out of it pretty well.
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kytnism
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while i appreciate the ability to vote, its something i could go without. i dont feel the peoples vote holds much weight anyhow, although thats an entirely different thread and forum.
the beginning.
i agree that were free spirits and individuals although still believe firmly that rules and defining roles are paramount and create social stability.
in my country i can perform the same role at work as a man, yet am paid less, and will continue to be so long as i possess a uterus. thats not a choice, but a fact.
...kytnism...
while i appreciate the ability to vote, its something i could go without. i dont feel the peoples vote holds much weight anyhow, although thats an entirely different thread and forum.
i agree that were free spirits and individuals although still believe firmly that rules and defining roles are paramount and create social stability.
in my country i can perform the same role at work as a man, yet am paid less, and will continue to be so long as i possess a uterus. thats not a choice, but a fact.
...kytnism...
Do you respect the fact that other women want the right to vote though, and do you believe they deserve to vote as a matter of equality? Or no, simply because you personally could do without it?
As for rules. Do you feel the rules and roles should be decided and defined by a body that is made up of men and women equally?
It seems your views of feminism are very localized. Do you support feminism in countries where women aren't lucky enough to have the rights you have? For instance, the right to drive, the right to go out alone in public etc. Do you support feminism in such situation, since it seems the majority of men in said countries don't care about equality?
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pofacedhoe
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while i know this is probably a troll post, im going to respond.
ive always been a hater of the apparent “feminist” movement and its scars left on society for both sexes. since the apparent movement, women try and juggle multiple roles that are too difficult to handle and make them miserable and men have become more effeminate and less willing to provide for their families in their role. as a result, divorce is imminent, families are commonly broken, and men and women no longer know where they stand socially and have forgotten how to connect with one another.
rules and guidelines are set for a reason. women are supposed to behave as so, as are men in being gentlemen. the mish mash that occurred between history; has deemed us a role less society, a “free” society. this "society" has never been more lost in their life journey than ever before and people as a result (male or female) have never felt so alone…
feminism? what a joke. whatever happened to humankind? plural, not singular, non political/non sexual…
...kytnism...
i quite like this answer
it seems that freedom to vote etc and having all the work lumped on you are not the same thing. one is equality the other is giving women mens work too and also the age old "female tasks" of raising the kids etc.
Equality that was the result of... drum roll. Voting is a right in america because of feminists, now we can sit here and speculate they would have gotten just as far is they called themselves "equalists" but i'm not to sure.
When it comes to womens rights throughout the world, it's not quite as rosy as it is in the countries we live in. In countries where women cannot vote or drive, do you feel those women could benefit from a movement like feminism to rally them all to fight for those rights? Remember, we are talking about many women that feel powerless and need some female empowerment before they can even feel equal.
I feel like people here are lumping together radical feminists with classical feminists. Kind of like how people lump radical conservatives with moderates, or radical islamists with regular muslims.
For anyone that is forming their opinions completely based on things they read and see online, I urge you to expose yourself to non radical feminists in real life for some balance. Just the same as I urge all people that are terrified of radical islamists to go hang out with regular muslims.
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pofacedhoe
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more they way capitalism has used feminism to make women more of a slave than before and endorsing this through the media