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The Efffect of Drugs on the Spirit

In my experience it slowly makes your spiritual perception or experiences more accessible. Like the ability to sense energies as well as change your body. Though it can feel like it's happening naturally. Most doctors simply can't be bothered to deal with it all (at least 10% is supposed to have some kind of substance abuse problem). It has to be a very major society problem and I can see why so many health-workers resent it.
 
i prefer to use my time usefully, so please excuse me for not reading articles on religious websites

rather, i'll just point out that using the word "reality" as this
if we're going to face up to reality
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shows that you could use more psychedelics
 
Religion and guilt aside (which I have NONE of...)

The only thing I feel bad about is the money I spend. Could be used to help my mom, pay my bills on time - that sort of thing.

But as someone who is clinically depressed and full of anxiety for many years, I know that I am a much "better" person on drugs. I'm friendly, tolerant, get things done...

So my "spirit" is great. Better than usual.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. LOL (perfect cliche for a drug board)
Gwen
 
^ maybe it was my destiny to find God through drugs, or, to find God more quickly thanks to drugs. Look, I understand the reluctance to give an external substance too much credit with regard to personal evolution but: you can't do it on your own!
 
Cthulhu said:
^ maybe it was my destiny to find God through drugs, or, to find God more quickly thanks to drugs. Look, I understand the reluctance to give an external substance too much credit with regard to personal evolution but: you can't do it on your own!
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As a Christian it goes against my every instincts to combine God with drugs.

but.....I'll be honest with you. Drugs helped me find God also. It was on MDMA when I had a profound night, and my mind was open to many large ideas. I do think it is true to say we can become more spiritually receptive when under the influence of drugs. In day-to-day life we tend not always to have the motivation to explore larger ideas, seem quite shut-off to everything.

But many people found God without drugs. So they are by no means a pre-requiste to finding God. Meditation is probably a healthier option.
 
raas_2012 said:
But many people found God without drugs. So they are by no means a pre-requiste to finding God. Meditation is probably a healthier option.
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I agree that there is more than one way toward spiritual realization, insight into reality, personal evolution etc. The problem with meditation IME is that it's very easy to fall into a habitual way of meditating that can close one off to growth - very similar to rote prayer, which many religious devotees engage in mindlessly. This is not true with powerful psychoactives, especially psychedelics - 5 grams of mushrooms by its very nature dissolves all of one's patterns of thinking/conceiving/feeling, thereby opening one up to something truly NEW and unexpected.

Here's an interesting experiment to be done: have two groups of subjects; one group meditates daily for 5 years, the other group takes 5 grams of mushrooms ONCE in a safe setting. Which group do you think has more people who have experienced profound mystical experiences? I predict the mushroom group! And this is not to knock meditation, because I meditate daily, myself - but it does not provide the shift in consciousness that drugs do.

Imagine if Christians took MDMA as a sacrament say, once every 2 months during religious service, together. What would that do for personal growth and community cohesion?
 
I do concede many psychoactive drugs do inspire thought. Of course they do. They stimulate the mind and put you into states of consciousness that you are not going to enter in your day-to-day routine. The question now becomes, just how neccessary and healthy it is to do so.

I've been without drugs for about 6 years now. I'm quite focussed on issues on my life; work and spiritual development. I've built up a lot of personal progression. I feel my mind copes with all issues in life important to me without drugs. Really wouldn't want to disturb this by taking substances like shrooms and acid.

Cthulhu said:
Imagine if Christians took MDMA as a sacrament say, once every 2 months during religious service, together. What would that do for personal growth and community cohesion?
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I've no doubt - It would probably be an amazing service, and would stimulate far more personal growth and companionship than any other that preceded it.

But would this short-term boost correlate to long-term success? Now they are introducing artificial highs as a way of boosting progression it could lead to a wealth of problems. They are not learning to combine, share and develop naturally anymore. They may find services without MDMA mundane, unexciting. They may feel dependent on the drug to stimulate progression.

I'm quite sure they are getting somewhere without inducing artificial highs, by progressing and learning the honest and truthful way. And if services are getting dull, they can introduce different measures and variables for positive responses.

Throwing MDMA into their equation, would appear to be completely unneccessary and quite frankly, dangerous to them.


If you believe in God, you may as well believe God created our minds suitable for lifes purposes. Throwing in chemicals is disturbing the natural order of things; it's going against God. It's going against natural and truthful responses and reactions that we take towards issues in life.
 
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raas_2012 said:
I've been without drugs for about 6 years now. I'm quite focussed on issues on my life; work and spiritual development. I've built up a lot of personal progression. I feel my mind copes with all issues in life important to me without drugs. Really wouldn't want to disturb this by taking substances like shrooms and acid.
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I completely respect this; I'm in a similar place, myself. However, my point wasn't that it is necessarily good to regularly use substances indefinitely (especially after certain realizations are attained, and become like seeds that grow on their own). My point was that there is immense value in the awakening power of certain substances, in that they can literally astonish a person into seeing a universe previously obscured.


Throwing MDMA into their equation, would appear to be completely unneccessary and quite frankly, dangerous to them.
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I have to agree that there's a good chance that my hypothetical would create more problems than it would solve. But then again, if the substances were given the respect they deserve, perhaps not. It's just that in my experience (namely, being part of the Catholic tradition), religious service seemed cold and dead, hollow dogma, and entheogens can help reveal the truth behind the dogma. I will acknowledge that not all religious communities are so cold and dead, but even the exceptions could use some more truth.


Throwing in chemicals is disturbing the natural order of things; it's going against God.
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See existentialcrisis's response above ^.
 
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