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The Efffect of Drugs on the Spirit

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Ninae

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http://www.lostseed.com/battles/drugs.php

Sadly, I feel what is written on this page is the TRUTH. Despite having spent a long time trying to deny it, and I know most here will hate reading it and try to continue to deny it. But, come on, if we're going to face upto reality (which drugs ruins our ability to do) can't we see this is true?
 
It seems wrong for an individual to cause harm to his/her body to get this thrill. We are well aware of the damage ecstasy does by putting holes in the brain.
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You can't take the rest of it seriously if it has misinformation like that on it.
 
ok, i don't normally click on vague unidentified links but i did in this case.

saw "drugs and the bible" 8) and that's all i needed to see.

ffs, why don't you write in this thread about this supposed "truth"?
 
First, define "spirit"
Then define how it 'effects' it.

As to the article there is really nothing to discuss other than correcting false information:

Firstly pot isn't top of the charts for leading to other drugs. That actually belongs to domestic drug use. Things like alcohol like wine. Or pain medications like opiates.
As mentioned MDMA does not put holes in the brain. It can however sever receptors which then can be replaced by new connections.

The rest of it used bible quotes to inject superstitious bull shit into the mix without being helpful, informative, or useful. God/The Man In The Sky most definitely will not cure your addictions.
 
i like reading, but i like knowing what i am about to read. stop being so fkn lazy and pose your own damn points.
 
I don't mean necessarily all the details, but the general point. And I find it really depressing. As for posting my own thoughts, hah, well, the usual thing is that I leave too much room for that compared to anyone else's and thought I would do it like this for a change.
 
The general point is still hard to grasp. Basically it's just saying drugs are bad and somehow the spirit got dragged into this. So I'm curious as to what you behold the spirit to be and in what way drugs harm it?

Everyone knows drugs are bad for your health.
 
As for alcohol/medicinal drugs being more of a gateway...I don't think there is any way to show this is true. More probably the opposite. Or that there are more people who stick only to those than of those who take the step to do Pot.
 
Yes, that is right, but there is also a large group of people who manage to use only alcohol and stay away from other drugs all their lives. Not that alcohol isn't also harmful in its own way, but that's another matter.

As for my definition of "spirit", I don't feel that is really relevant. Everyone will have their own subjective definition. But I have developed quite a good intuition and feeling for the truth by now, and sadly this rings pretty true to me.
 
Ninae said:
Yes, that is right, but there is also a large group of people who manage to use only alcohol and stay away from other drugs all their lives.
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Same with Pot. Which is far less harmful than alcohol.

Ninae said:
But I have developed quite a good intuition and feeling for the truth by now, and sadly this rings pretty true to me.
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So then you should probably quit. Drug use is a personal choice and a lot of people use responsibly it's best not to give them Bible quotes and then reiterate that their use is unhealthy. If this speaks to you I wish you all the best and hope you have the spirit to accomplish your task.
 
Ninae said:
Sadly, I feel what is written on this page is the TRUTH. Despite having spent a long time trying to deny it, and I know most here will hate reading it and try to continue to deny it. But, come on, if we're going to face upto reality (which drugs ruins our ability to do) can't we see this is true?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I sense some guilt on your part. I can relate to feeling ambivalent about ingesting certain substances, but something I've realized spiritually is that it is pure hubris to believe that an individual can attain degrees of enlightenment in isolation, or solely by individual will and effort. Along any path, the primary requirement is a great teacher, and sometimes drugs and the experiences they catalyze are great teachers. Certain psychedelic experiences have been indispensable in my own travels, and no way do I regret them or would take them back.

Of course, every "drug" is different and affects everyone differently, so ultimately it's up to you to determine whether a pattern of usage should be stopped or has some actual merit.
 
Not saying it to be difficult. It's not like I enjoyed reading it either. And, yes, I'm talking more about addiction or regular, long-term drug use, than just occasionally. But that can be said for most regulars here. Of course everyone would rather like to believe it has as few negative effects as possible.

It also makes people more "evil", or brings more negative aspects into the way you live your life, I think can be safely said. There are many things you wouldn't have done. As there would be no need, or no way for you to cope with, or escape from, having done. Or wouldn't you say? Of course there are exceptions, but for the majority. I once met 3 addicted prostitutes and were shocked by how evil they were. Then I realised the life they lived made them this way.
 
Hey, I agree about regular drug use. I like your careful use of the term "evil" by acknowledging that people do what they do because of circumstances. I provide mental health services for many people with serious substance abuse problems, including former prostitutes, ex-convicts, and the so-called "scum" of society, and the common denominator is that almost invariably, they are self-medicating severe psychological pain. A great majority of them were physically and/or sexually abused as children, and it's something that stays with them with nasty consequences. Can you blame them for turning to a substance that provides relief, even if only temporary, when nothing else has?

As far as marijuana being a stepping stone to more/other drugs, that seems true in my own experience/witnessing, and from what I remember the research supports a correlation, as well. But, I am very grateful for this! Without weed, I might never have tried LSD or shrooms. That website says, "You will not find God by doing drugs; drugs will only draw you away. The intentional use of drugs to find God or to discover your inner-self is foolishness." I disagree. I found God by doing drugs.
 
I agree, you would never know what someone would be like if they were never addicts. And also agree that it can help you more easily find God. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have any negative effects, right? Changing the way you live your life for the worse was one of the things I was thinking about. As well as making you more weak or needy for drugs in the first place. Before I tried any I would never feel a need for relief that way. Simply hadn't experienced it but also maybe have been damaged in some way that has made me needy of it.

Or, I wouldn't really say "maybe". Many can feel it completely destroys and makes their relatives or people they know unrecoginasable. One of the things those of us for or against drug-use really argue about. And I would say the statement God hates drug-use with a "holy anger" doesn't seem that far off...maybe it's an attitude that is completely well-founded and justified? Maybe people staying away all their lives from drugs being an effect of very negative consequences from previous lives (if you believe in reincarnation).

Though this seems to be the kind of limiting and "holier-than-thou" thing that Jesus would have said. One of the things that tends to make Christianity a depressing or not so tempting belief-system. But what if it's true? I would also personally prefer not having to consider that.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. There's no such thing as a free lunch, but that's a principle that applies to everything whether it's drug use or religious worship or... eating lunch lol. There are always consequences, but whether they can be labeled negative is impossible to determine from the narrow point of view of a human being. That being said, I don't support any behaviors that are physically unsafe or threaten daily functionality if they are unnecessary.
 
OP.. that article is complete crap..

1 misinformed statement after a lie.

The high of marijuana wears off after your tolerance rises, and I more often than not the person looks for a similar high or one step above it. Not all the time, but like I said before it does lead to other drugs because it opens a door spiritually, and can arouse ones curiosity to see how far "out there" they can get.
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It seems wrong for an individual to cause harm to his/her body to get this thrill. We are well aware of the damage ecstasy does by putting holes in the brain.
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God said he will reveal himself to us if we seek him with all our heart. He will not by the use of drugs.
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I must have missed the memo?

Se we have misinformation, lies and random bullshit.
 
Cthulhu said:
A great majority of them were physically and/or sexually abused as children, and it's something that stays with them with nasty consequences. Can you blame them for turning to a substance that provides relief, even if only temporary, when nothing else has?
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Good point, I have faced addiction in life and have not regretted it. If God puts you in ridiculous circumstances it's only natural to search for relief. if you're in pain, take a pain killer. If you need a temporary escape, take a drug. Just try not to make a habit of it, and always look to escape the situation.

As far as marijuana being a stepping stone to more/other drugs, that seems true in my own experience/witnessing, and from what I remember the research supports a correlation, as well. But, I am very grateful for this! Without weed, I might never have tried LSD or shrooms. That website says, "You will not find God by doing drugs; drugs will only draw you away. The intentional use of drugs to find God or to discover your inner-self is foolishness." I disagree. I found God by doing drugs.
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Gonna have to disagree here. If you were destined to find God, you could have done it without drugs certainly. Every other Christian has.
 
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