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The Bluelight College Mentor Thread

^I'll admit, I do have problems with social integration, so my advice is probably only valid for people that are already naturally uncomfortable around others (especially those that are not involved in academia) to begin with, heh. Grats on completing grad school, did you also receive a stipend when you were attending? It looks like the director of the grad school math dept. has my back in regards to a t.a., or research assistant position. The only drawback of a stipend, is that it is time spent away from that which can speed up the process of completing a master's degree program.
 
^I actually really lucked out on my assistantship. They paid my tuition and a really decent stipend (especially for a master's), and instead of working for a professor, i worked with several other grad students in the university's "Math Help Center." It's a tutoring center for undergrads, so I basically just had to spend 15-20 hrs/wk sitting around with other grad students, tutoring college algebra/intro calc half the time and working/bull-shitting the other half. I got a ton of work done, and it was always nice to have three or four other nerds to study/collaborate with, especially since we all had a lot of classes in common.

Do you know what field(s) you're interested in focusing on, and what you'd like to do with the degree?
 
The only drawback of a stipend, is that it is time spent away from that which can speed up the process of completing a master's degree program.

Meh, that wasn't my experience. If someone is enrolled in a full-time, two year Master's program....a teaching assistantship should not interfere with the "speed" at which he or she takes classes. Yes, it is extra work but you get paid to do it so it's like having a part-time job. It gives you an opportunity to refresh your knowledge on basic material, it looks great on a CV or resume, and I'll admit it....it can be fun. IMHO people who go through grad school without doing teaching assistantships really do miss out on a potentially meaningful experience.
 
double ewe-

It's looking like that is how things will go with me in grad school. Although, I might just help a couple professors grade papers as well in classes like business calculus, college algebra, intro stats, etc. As far as my preferred area of mathematics, I am considering focusing on either analysis or topology, as they both interest me greatly. Though, we will see if algebra and algebraic structures is interesting after another semester of abstract algebra.

Jerry Atrick-

Those are great points, I do find that I get sloppy with non-natural log base algebra, and other quirks of college algebra, that would be good to be fresh on. Also, I'm sure that having some responsibility in academia can go a long way in terms of giving you a healthy amount of real world experience.

Thank you both for your responses. You tipped my favor towards going with the t.a. position. BTW, did you both enter the workforce after your masters? Did you continue on in academia?
 
This thread has me missing academia. Time to go back for another Masters probably. I don't think I am old enough to start a ph.d. Nor do I really want to spend the rest of my life teaching in an idyllic college town with a constantly refreshed supply of young co-eds, good weed, and parties. Wait....
 
BTW, did you both enter the workforce after your masters? Did you continue on in academia?

Yes and likely yes.

I graduated in August of this year and had already interviewed for and gotten hired for a job by the time of my commencement ceremony. But I plan on continuing in academia so I am applying to PhD programs this fall with the hopes of enrolling in the fall of 2013.
 
It's looking like that is how things will go with me in grad school. Although, I might just help a couple professors grade papers as well in classes like business calculus, college algebra, intro stats, etc. As far as my preferred area of mathematics, I am considering focusing on either analysis or topology, as they both interest me greatly. Though, we will see if algebra and algebraic structures is interesting after another semester of abstract algebra.

i would recommend trying to spend as many of your TA hours tutoring as you can. not only is it interesting meeting undergrads and good practice sharpening your algebra/calc skills, but you also get a lot of experience communicating mathematical concepts to folks for whom it may not come naturally. that's honestly the single most important skill in nearly any type of quantitative position. no matter how smart you are, if you can't communicate your knowledge, it's useless to anyone but you.

as far as subject matter - good on you if you can get into abstract algebra, but that was the one subject i always hated. i did well enough in the classes, but there was never an "aha!" moment where things like galois theory really clicked. different strokes for different folks, and most of the people in my program liked algebra better than analysis (my favorite), so take that with a grain of salt.

Thank you both for your responses. You tipped my favor towards going with the t.a. position. BTW, did you both enter the workforce after your masters? Did you continue on in academia?

i started a job in mathematical finance when i graduated this past may, and i really enjoy it so far. i'm constantly learning new things and solving interesting problems, and i work in a relatively comfortable environment with smart, capable people. i really liked grad school, and there's definitely some research i'd like to get deeper into at some point, but right now it's nice to have a paycheck and be done with work when i get home.
 
Academic - Pick a major as soon as you can, you don't want to waste effort and money going around in circles with major options. (if it's hard, just realize that whatever you read/write the most about, you will become interested in it. Also if you ever experience burnout, it will likely pass, and it is likely that you will experience burnout with anything you choose to study)
- Go to class, sit near the front, answer questions. Undergrad is full of consuming information for the first couple years, however, when you get to upper division courses you will be more likely to be expected to produce information on the spot as a prep for grad school, so start doing it early. That way professors will get to know you by name and you will have a good reputation with them.
- Get professors to know you by name (for good reasons!). Introduce yourself before/after class, state interests, go to office hours. Even asking questions that you already know the answers to will give you an inquisitive aura that professors really like. Get friendly with at least 3 professors by the time your a junior and you will be set for further education
- Never earn below a B. It's not that hard (I wish someone would have told me this before I cultivated a wonderful 2.7 GPA). It's as easy as starting assignments and studying as early as possible.
- Volunteer as early as possible as a research or teaching assistant. This is some of the easiest and most tedious work you will do in undergrad, but you will be in better standing with your professors and have something truly relevant to put on your resume.
- Don't smoke too much pot. As said by others, you might have classes you can get high and go to, but more than likely it will only distract you from your goals. I smoked nearly everyday of undergrad and felt the repercussions far too late. I consider the best way to use and be successful is to only smoke on weekends. This way you won't be too paranoid to be social and your lack of tolerance can turn a weekend high into a full fledged trip 8(
-Take summer/winter courses- You don't know your own limitations unless you can hack a course out in 3-8 weeks. This will amp your brainpower and will increase your ability to consume/produce information faster. Plus, if you take 2 summer courses and 1 winter course your first 2 years, you will have nearly enough credits to shave an entire year off of undergrad time and money.

Social- Make friends within your major, as soon as possible. Not only for getting notes, but also to collaborate on projects with.
- Keep hanging out with locals who aren't in college to a minimal. This one is a bit more subtle, but burnouts don't have a necessarily positive outlook on higher ed, and will let you know about it, and will even judge you for being a college student. The key to getting through all of this is to stay positive and have fun while doing your own thing. You need friends who you can not only have fun with, but who will also support you and who may be able to help you in some aspects of college life.
-He/She who has the most "fun" at parties is usually also the biggest asshole. Determine how much of the trade-off is worth it.

Housing- Get off campus. It's going to be more work for you, but you will learn necessary skills, have more freedom, and it is usually much cheaper to live off campus (consider that your expenses per year will need to be multiplied by the amount of years it's going to take to get out of undergrad and into a paid position) Also, if you smoke da buds, getting caught with it on campus and off campus are completely different charges.
- Sign a lease agreement with roommate(s). Yes it might be awkward to bring up, but just tell your roommates that it is for the best for everyone that you do so. The agreement should have things along the line of "I will pay 1/2 rent and bills on time" , "I will clean living area every other week" etc... Most rentors don't give a rat's ass who gives them the money that they are owed, they are only concerned with the amount they receive per unit. By signing a lease agreement between roommates, you have complete eligibility to take them to court if they don't pay up (the thought of which is usually enough to get them to pay up). Please please please do this. I would have about 400$ more in my bank if I had thought to do this. DO NOT accept roommates who are not willing to be put on the official renters lease. There is no reason that they should have the privilege of living with you if they don't legally have to abide by the same rules.
- Clean your shit- More than likely if you live off campus you are going to be RENTing a place. That means that it is not yours to screw up. Every time you move your past renters will be contacted and you will be asked about. Don't break anything, don't leave science experiments in the fridge, and take care of your plumbing. Do whatever it takes to not leave a permanent change in someone else's property


Endnote: don't ever give up. Nothing is too hard. If you think it is, then the problem lies within you. Stay focused and cultivate stamina. Don't let anything get in the way of what you initially set out to college for. It IS a huge time sink, but if you don't go and succeed, you are likely to have bigger problems later on in life.
 
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Lots of really great advice so far.

- As it has been said, take something you love. If you don't know what you love yet, take things that interest you until you figure it out. Just because you haven't figured life out yet, doesn't mean university is not for you. I think that 1st year is a great time to figure out your major. Dip your feet in.

- For each class, figure out your roadmap to success early. If you're in a class, read the syllabus, talk to the prof, go to the 1st lecture and pay attention. Talk to students who have taken the class. Go to http://ratemyprofessor.com, Google it. Google your teacher. Google your course. Google your school. Figure all this shit out. The clues will be there. Someone mentioned you should always go to class. In some cases I absolutely agree, and in others.. not so much. Sometimes, you just need someone recording the lecture and putting it into Dropbox. Sometimes, the prof will condense their notes and sell it in book form. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that you figure out what the best strategy is for success and take it.

- Is your textbook available on torrents or newsgroups?

- Don't look at university as a stepping stone to employment. As someone else mentioned, if you have the right attitude and work hard, doors will open.. not because you took x course or y program, but because you established yourself. Universities are proving grounds, but they are not a ticket to a job. If you want a job, then go get a job. University is there to teach you critical thinking skills, to be a global thinker, and to enrich your life and drive you toward excellence - It is not there to get you a six figure salary at a private equity firm. You're an asshole if you think this.
 
- Don't look at university as a stepping stone to employment. As someone else mentioned, if you have the right attitude and work hard, doors will open.. not because you took x course or y program, but because you established yourself. Universities are proving grounds, but they are not a ticket to a job. If you want a job, then go get a job. University is there to teach you critical thinking skills, to be a global thinker, and to enrich your life and drive you toward excellence - It is not there to get you a six figure salary at a private equity firm. You're an asshole if you think this.

i have no idea why you wouldn't think of college as a stepping stone to employment. if you want a job, learn the skills you need to do that job. i spent four years doing the whole critical thinking/global perspective thing as an undergrad (psyc/poli sci double), without much thought to the careers that awaited me afterwards. i got good grades, did plenty of research, and had several internships. unfortunately, the only doors open to me were in a field that i did not enjoy working in. when i finally took a step back and thought about the kind of job i actually wanted, it took another four years in school learning the specific, necessary skills before those doors opened for me. i got the job i wanted EXACTLY because i took "x course" and conducted research in my "y program." no amount of attitude and hard work would have substituted for a knowledge of time series forecasting and statistical programming.

i don't think you should sell your soul and sacrifice your college experience in pursuit of a paycheck, but if there are specific things you want out of your future career, it makes sense to start planning how you can accomplish that while you're in college. there will never be another time in your life with such a concentration of opportunities to prepare yourself for the career you want.
 
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