Right on, thanks for the replies, the conviction, the faith. It means a whole lot to me, and i'm sure to you as well. Thanks for taking the time to express yourself. If anyone else is reading this who has an opinion, please register and jump in, your opinions are welcome and valid. We are not a xenophobic group
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Yes, if someone has gone to the trouble of searching then it probably means they are at least seeking knowledge and truth and beauty. But Bluelight is special, and has unlimited potentials as a whole and in it's effects on everyone who participates in it. So it should be sheltered from the streaming masses who may or may not give a rat's ass about it.
Not only that, but we need to draw and keep the people that are going to help the most, people that are educated, people that are experienced, people who know how to communicate, people that are at least going to add to the vibe. Similarly, if you're going to hold a good event/party/rave/night, you don't want to post a link to that on Yahoo!, you might get too many people to handle, or people that are unconnected with the local scene or who don't really care in general, maybe they're just doing it because their friends do.
I always come off as elitist, but i'm just being practical. We have 2,000+ registered members, but only maybe 50 or so who could write a B-grade college level paper on any aspect of ecstasy with references available. This is not the optimum teacher/student ratio that you see in other communities of learning.
Of course, it's hard to even come close to penetrating the more subtle issues when you have new people that get constantly drawn back to the basics: preloading, neurotoxicity, the feelings released by ecstasy, music, the whole rave/club/party subculture, other drugs.
When we have to break our attention to repeat things that could easily be put in a FAQ, we lose sight of that common attractor point.,It's especially hard when there's wannabe punks who want to see how much a ripple they can make in our pond, or as i really see it, how many people they can make notice the smell of their farts
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Same thing happens in surfing but it's real world, it's face to face. If you're not welcome or if it's too crowded, or if you don't follow ettiquite, you're vibed by someone, whether it's a sharp look from the corner of the eye, of cutting off, or mumbling under the breath. And if you violate the flow of people, whether out of ignorance, arrogance, or unconsciousness, you're many times verbally reminded, or someone will take issue personally with you. I've been on both sides of the fence.
The point is, nothing like that is taking place here, lots of people are running through, there have been patterns of incidents that have made valuable members reconsider their presence here, and there are no checks on this misuse other than people writing witty quips and intelligent insults.,If you were at a party, you'd probably take issue with this. I consider Bluelight to be a party with many different conversations, and if someone was jumping to different discussions, rudely interrupting, and being a jackass, no doubt i would jump in there and do something about it. I just don't tolerate that bullshit occuring in the same space that i am occupying. (i don't get violent, just intimidating).
But there's nothing like that to do here, and i don't want to jump into the quagmire of making high-profile verbal lashings with people that are not worth my time, and who will no doubt return my words in a not-so-gentlemanly manner. So i can sit on my hands and be happy, or i can bitch a little, see if anyone feels the same, and then work with that energy, and that's what i'm doing right now.
As for people that wouldn't normally be exposed to this body of knowledge, i think they should be afforded the opportunity to access information as well. However, as long as Bluelight has to deal with a bottom-heavy population of inexperienced, uneducated visitors and members, we're not really doing justice to people who are looking for serious information. I think they're way better off going to
the Lycaeum,
Erowid, or
Ecstasy.org. Maybe in the future it will be different, but it's not asking people too much to try to access this information from other net sources, books, people, a Bluelight search, whatever, do a little bit of side research before posting a thread devoted to something that could much more easily be found elsewhere. If i have questions about new MD** compounds or newer psychedelics like 2CB, it would make much more sense to check the Lycaeum's drug archives than to ask the general population.
Of course that's for information. For personal experiences, nothing on the net can touch Bluelight. And that is what is creating the love/hate scenario we have here. People want to share their own experinces, people want to read other's, and people want a positive group synergy. Just like a party. But of coarse, the closer we get, the more obvious our little irritiating quirks get. With most regular Bluelighters, it's no problem, they're awesome people. With others, though, they seem to not care about not rocking the boat, and it gets very rude sometimes. (the spelling of coarser above was a pun
),Plus there's always going to be things that may seem ok with some and be intolerable for others. Example, surveys. 'Nuff said.
So we have to work on what we have, try to make the best use out of the resources we have, which boils down to the formats we create and the people that populate this. We should be realistic with what we have to offer and what we expect in return.
And we damn well should expect something in return, i think this is a kick-ass community and an experiment in group interaction that is unavailable anywhere else in the world or on the net (maybe the Well in it's heyday or shroomery.org). So we should set our standards a little higher. We shouldn't tolerate a lot of the crap that's been floating our way. And i don't want the solution to be that i take my time to personally vibe people that come in here not knowing what's going on, not only does that detract from the greater things going on, but it doesn't feel that great on your soul, and i don't want people to do a search on my name and have them see a bunch of posts where i'm bitching people out and telling them to not post pill reports in the general forum and other such nonsense.
I've poured a lot of my more purer energies into this board, and don't want it tainted by unneccesary issues and drama. So, wrapping this up, thanks for staying to the end, i'm all ears after this. Bluelight rips, you're all kick ass people, much love to Jase and Skydancer for setting this up. I obviously value this very much, otherwise i wouldn't be here. And same goes with a lot of other people. I just don't want to risk it while it's still
magical.
Yes, magical, transformative, trippy, sometimes you can get a deja-vu feeling, or it can change the way you perceive things, or it can make it much easier to come to terms with your feelings, or you find you can communicate those feelings much better with people in your life, or maybe you pick up on a gem of wisdom or inspiration that livens your step for the day. Maybe you see the same lessons played out on this board that you see in your daily life. Let's not lose that. It's hard to start magic with people. It's
very easy to lose it. You gotta grab it when it's there, nurture it, and treat it with the fragility it deserves. Here today, gone tomorrow.
As for People Like Satan, whatever your names might be, please realize that you're not some Freudian dark force sent here by the light to show us the arrogance of our ways. Most likely, you are just being an asshole. If you have problems, if you feel left out, if you have a beef with anyone, air it out and come up front about it.
Do you ever realize that people are sympathetic, patient, and learning when they're on e? It effects a lot of us, and makes us great therapists and friends. Realize that we have open hearts here that could be so much better utilized than in this infantile fashion. As for People That Have Personal Issues with Specific People, realize that we really believe in Peace as a state in which we share socially, and that if anyone calls for peace or drops their verbal guns, peace will prevail. We are compassionate here, we're not set out to knock each other down. Maybe some people act like that, but you just stay away from them. No need to focus on the issues that divide us when there's so much we have in common.
Anyways, i'm stoked at everything taking place right now, happy about the future, happy about the unlimited potential within this community and our individual lives. I don't see a huge global revolution coming about through this, i just see a lot of individual lives personally enhanced by their involvement and interaction within the greater whole. Just like the rave scene, just like the drug.
I sure as hell know that my next trip is going to be preceded by a couple threads asking who's going to be around, what kind of events are taking place, and who's down to show me a good time while i'm there. It'll probably be Oz, definitely would love to surf and club out there, hit Kirra, Bells, Lennox Head, Byron Bay, D-bah, while catching some of the better dj's flying in for their tours. Drugs? Don't need 'em but it sure would be fun. Same thing in any other place, whether it's Vancouver, Toronto, the East Coast, or whever else in the world. That dude from Trinidad seems pretty cool. I'm sure that would be a nice stop from Florida to South America.
Whatever brings people together well, i'm all for it. That thought alone should give everyone the same enthusiasm that we who care have taken as second nature, especially you, Mona, Miss Apple, and all those that have been there. The post that got me pulled in was Deep's post on preloading. I was searching the net to cross-reference what i had heard from Mixmag on 5-HTP as a comedown supplement. Stayed for a while longer
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Party years accelerate into rave years. Rave years accelerate into internet years. Internet years accelerate into daily thread years, which zoom by at a real quick pace. Thanks for sticking with us for so long and through so much. I love you and the energies you give off, if more people had a spark off that fire, the world would become a better place. Quickly.
And of course to eveyone who draws me in here, who pulls me in with their smart heads and their sweet words, thank you for making this a place i want to stay in. Just like a gathering of people. Just like real life.
And i for one don't like to come to gatherings empty-handed.
Hope you got my tone. I'm calm, happy, and cautiously optimistic. In no way do i feel bitter or betrayed, i'm just trying to make some sense, speak my mind, and let the wisdom flow from it's channeled source. To all those i may have vibed or singled out or made to feel low, sorry, it's not personal.
peace, please respond and keep this going.
[This message has been edited by liquidocean (edited 22 January 2000).]
