Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DET Thread

[Esperighanto]

How would people here advise combining ethocin with other compounds (especially other psychedelics) to make it less boring?

 

[Pfafffed]

I actually quite liked it on its own. I enjoyed its character, especially compared to things like 4-HO-DiPT.

 

[Listening]

What did you take? No way we can tell, but you can send them off for analysis if you want to know for sure.

Unfortunately, most labs won't be able to ID what's in a gummy, and I don't have the spare cash that would be required for the ones that do.

I've used pure ethocin, and it's ambiguous enough to where I'd likely have a tough time telling it apart from just a low dose of other 4-substituted tryptamines.

Interesting that you're saying that... My first thought was "this isn't even a tryptamine" but obviously I can't really know that. Still, doesn't seem at all similar to any of the tryptamines that I'm very familiar with (4-aco-dmt, 4-pro-dmt, 4-ho-met, 4-aco-mipt)...

4-ACO-MET or 4-HO-MET? No way of knowing but those are both very gentle. "Clear and mellow" as you described

Nope. FWIW, I don't find 4-ho-met to be particularly clear/mellow but perhaps I'm anomalous. Fun and easy, yes, but not clear-headed for me.

 

[Didgital]

Unfortunately, most labs won't be able to ID what's in a gummy,

Why do you say this? you dissolve the gummy in water basify and then extract with a non polar solvent like ethyl acetate. The process is a little more intense than say testing a powder, but it's still very simple, especially in regards to identification. Quantifying what's actually in the gummy is definitely harder.

 

[Esperighanto]

Why do you say this? you dissolve the gummy in water basify and then extract with a non polar solvent like ethyl acetate. The process is a little more intense than say testing a powder, but it's still very simple, especially in regards to identification. Quantifying what's actually in the gummy is definitely harder.

Tragically many labs just refuse to do this amount of work, despite how minimal it is. Many of these recent gummies too have tested negative for any indoles upon extraction which I find strange, makes me wonder what's in them. Experience reports are highly entactogenic, makes me wonder if a small amount of a benzofuran is in there or something, idk.

 

[Listening]

Why do you say this? you dissolve the gummy in water basify and then extract with a non polar solvent like ethyl acetate. The process is a little more intense than say testing a powder, but it's still very simple, especially in regards to identification. Quantifying what's actually in the gummy is definitely harder.

Admittedly I'm limiting myself to the almost free (by donation) Canadian lab that does FTIR. I'm know other labs could do better. They have tested many gummies and most (all?) turned up nothing which is surely a limitation of their method/equipment.

Tragically many labs just refuse to do this amount of work, despite how minimal it is. Many of these recent gummies too have tested negative for any indoles upon extraction which I find strange, makes me wonder what's in them. Experience reports are highly entactogenic, makes me wonder if a small amount of a benzofuran is in there or something, idk.

Oh that's pretty interesting. In my test though I had strong first alerts at 10 minutes which I assume would rule out a benzofuran? I've never done any so I couldn't comment one way or the other about comparison to what I took.

What I did notice was that what I took was surprisingly light on the visuals, which is unusual for me with most psychedelics...

 

[Esperighanto]

Oh that's pretty interesting. In my test though I had strong first alerts at 10 minutes which I assume would rule out a benzofuran? I've never done any so I couldn't comment one way or the other about comparison to what I took.

6-APB took something like 60-90 minutes to finish coming up, with first alerts ~45-60 minutes after oral administration. Intranasally it was faster, but really stressed my heart to an extensive degree, I had this whacked out batch that was widely reported by other users on that DNM as being overwhelmingly active ~75mg, with threshold doses as low as 5-10mg, but reagent tests, drugsdata's mass spec, and experienced effects all aligned with 6-APB. To this day I think back on that as a highly peculiar batch of an RC.

 

[porkstock]

I recall a few months ago, the FDA tested some mushroom chocolate bars and some were found to contain no psilocin/psilocybin, and instead had 4-aco-dmt and a couple kava alkaloids.

Severe Illness Potentially Associated with Consuming Diamond ShruumzTM Brand Chocolate Bars, Cones, and Gummies

Information about an investigation into severe illness potentially associated with consuming Diamond

www.cdc.gov

While searching for the above, I found this one on gummies, some of which DO contain psilocin/psilocybin.

Notes from the Field: Schedule I Substances ...

This report describes five people who required ...

www.cdc.gov

 

[Listening]

Ok, so here's the deal.

About two weeks ago I sampled 4-aco-det for the first time at 16mg. The experience was extremely subtle: ++. Is my stash degraded? It's a smallish sample that I never tried that is 15 years old, but it has been stored in the freezer and looks perfect/white.

Anyway, fast forward to last night when I decided to try 32mg. At first I found it extremely uncomfortable and a bit too much. At one point I thought I might need to throw up but didn't. (My stomach hadn't been great all day, so I'm sure that played a part.) And then, in the midst of not knowing what to do with myself and feeling not so great, something caught my eyes and my ears and I found myself bathed in infinite sensation and........

++++

Holy fuck. Selfing ceased. Ecstasy. It only lasted about 10 minutes (I think?) but it was as powerful as a DMT trip. Later in the trip it once happened again for a shorter amount of time. Worth mentioning that I've been deep into a particular meditation practice for a few years which has only recently come to fruition. Related? Possible, but who knows. I won't say more here, but feel free to PM me.

(As for those gummies I mentioned in a previous post... Based on this experience I don't think that they were 4-aco-det. Super mysterious.)

 

[SuperPsych]

Ok, so here's the deal.

About two weeks ago I sampled 4-aco-det for the first time at 16mg. The experience was extremely subtle: ++. Is my stash degraded? It's a smallish sample that I never tried that is 15 years old, but it has been stored in the freezer and looks perfect/white.

Anyway, fast forward to last night when I decided to try 32mg. At first I found it extremely uncomfortable and a bit too much. At one point I thought I might need to throw up but didn't. (My stomach hadn't been great all day, so I'm sure that played a part.) And then, in the midst of not knowing what to do with myself and feeling not so great, something caught my eyes and my ears and I found myself bathed in infinite sensation and........

++++

Holy fuck. Selfing ceased. Ecstasy. It only lasted about 10 minutes (I think?) but it was as powerful as a DMT trip. Later in the trip it once happened again for a shorter amount of time. Worth mentioning that I've been deep into a particular meditation practice for a few years which has only recently come to fruition. Related? Possible, but who knows. I won't say more here, but feel free to PM me.

(As for those gummies I mentioned in a previous post... Based on this experience I don't think that they were 4-aco-det. Super mysterious.)

My interest in 4-ACO-DET stems from the fact that I read years ago, probably somewhere on this site, that 4-ACO-DET is more prone to producing ++++ experiences than other psychedelics. I've only tried it once at under 14mg in a social setting so I didn't get the most of it. I'm happy for you that you got to experience that

 

[Esperighanto]

What dose would get someone tripping to the equivalent of say, a tenstrip of good acid or 12-14 grams of good cubensis mushrooms? I'm extremely hard headed to psychedelics in general, but may be and to use a lower dose and just boost it up with DPT, DOB, 2C-B, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, mushrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, peyote, allylescaline, mescaline citrate, HBWR seeds, MDMB-4en-PINACA, HHC, DXM, THC-O, DiPT, or 5-MeO-DiPT. Does anybody here think that any of those would be specifically worth mixing with 4-HO-DET, and if so, in what dosage ranges for a seriously hard-headed psychedelic enthusiast.

Edit: Forgot to mention THC-H, THC-P and THC-B.

 

[Opana313]

Does anyone know how this would compare to the fake "amanita gummies" - from awhile back where someone who considered themselves a veteran, said it was without a doubt 4-ACO-DMT..then I heard oh you never know could even be 4-aco-det?

I know next to nothing with these new rc or whatever psychedelic compounds, except experiences I have had on those gummies. (Mild CEV and possibly even light OEV, a bit of fractal and distortion BUT very very mild compared to even a low dose mushroom trip).

My question is if they are all in the same boat? Is it weaker or stronger than DET? Or is 4- aco- dmt a whole different thing? I've heard it's an amazing substance like it was Hella intense visuals or something, but my oral gummies(god knows what dose really is in each gummy let alone 4aco.) never got me too far..psychedelic but never blasts off.

 

[porkstock]

My question is if they are all in the same boat? Is it weaker or stronger than DET? Or is 4- aco- dmt a whole different thing? I've heard it's an amazing substance like it was Hella intense visuals or something, but my oral gummies(god knows what dose really is in each gummy let alone 4aco.) never got me too far..psychedelic but never blasts off.

No one would be able to tell you based on the effects if it was 4-aco-dmt, 4-aco-det, or something else, unless those gummies have been tested.

These are two synthetic tryptamines that are similar in structure to psilocybin (chemical name 4-PO-DMT) found in mushrooms. IF the gummies happened to contain a synthetic tryptamine, it was probably a low dose. Not that I recommend eating more of them, just that was probably the reason for a lack of "blast off".
All of these tryptamines can result in strong trips, dose dependent.