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Telling apart God from an Alien?

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What if some kind of being came and presented itself to the human race and said: "I'm God your creator." Then a person questioned, "how do we know you not just an alien?"

The being then displays some supernatural powers of some sort, but then another person questioned, "How do we know your powers are not just a form of advanced technology?"

So I ask you guys, what kind of test would you try to see if this being is either an alien or god?
Or are the two notions one in the same? Discuss
 
i think you mean "one and the same", but anways...

i don't think it really matters whether they are being truthful or not, there will be no way to be certain either way. the shock of their presence will be the same regardless, and a more concerning question would be what their intentions were by claiming that they were God.

We could ask those existential why and how questions we have no capacity to find ourselves, i guess.
 
Perhaps to the advanced being, "god" is an irrelevant term used by humans who don't yet understand the true nature of life and the universe. When he tells you that he is our creator, he may be telling the truth, and maybe our "creator" isn't the omnipresent being we've read about in scripture, but an alien being who's technology has advanced to the point of being able to create life and/or universes.

The more interesting question to me is whether the being would present himself as the all powerful alpha and omega, or if he would reveal to you how it was done.
 
"i think you mean "one and the same", but anways...

i don't think it really matters whether they are being truthful or not, there will be no way to be certain either way. the shock of their presence will be the same regardless, and a more concerning question would be what their intentions were by claiming that they were God.

We could ask those existential why and how questions we have no capacity to find ourselves, i guess. "

yeah thanks for the correction.

im thinking that there's no difference either.

"The more interesting question to me is whether the being would present himself as the all powerful alpha and omega, or if he would reveal to you how it was done"

that is what i'm getting at, because if it can be done, god (or whatever) is just the logical conclusion of evolving technology.
 
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Which God? How strictly to its faith are we viewing this god?

God could be an alien, aliens might have, played god.
 
I want to say that if it were God, there'd be no question, and they wouldn't need to present themselves like that. But I don't know. It might manifest as an individual, as such.

But I don't know.

I would vote for it being an Alien, in this case. It may actually believe it's God, and well, it is God according to an extended (for need of separation) idea that I live by- but I believe unless it is here to teach us of our own "God"-hood, then it has a lot to learn, and to reconcile within itself. I would accept them as God, but I would have reservations as to how I should respond, and use what they give.

If they demanded worship, I would also demand worship. I think God should respect itself.


But to call attention to something Bardeaux said, it may be in-fact our creator... in a sense. Still, I'd have doubts if it didn't have enough respect or knowledge of/for it's own creation, to put on a mask of "God" (Though, I'm using the same word- God... though I don't mean the same "God", because it's still "God" to me, just wouldn't be "God" as I believe is intended, here. Eh.), and whatnot.
 
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What if they did? :)

If they did- I imagine we may have some myths that point to them as Gods. Many as I am sure you know have a lot of ideas about this.

I kind of think they are all just words. Aliens are more like our fathers/mothers... And so are Gods referred to as such. May also be brothers, sisters, and siblings... in senses. To be alien- to define as foreign. That's just limitation of what we know.

I'd like to know what they call themselves.

I hope we are a success in their process. I imagine we are, though.
 
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God won't have an unhealthy interest in your anus. That's generally a dead giveaway for aliens.

Any advanced civilisation will, comparatively, appear God-like to a lesser-advanced civilisation. We might rationalise their miracles as mere technological ability, but rather than expecting to discern the divine, it would most likely force us to redefine what a God really is.
 
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What kind of test would I conduct? Well its not so simple. As you imply, different people have different notions of such. I would argue that the most devout followers of "god" view it as (literally) far away from normal, or organic, as possible, therefore at least intangible, and also, so powerful that its presence is felt, not logically concluded. Yes I believe that simply pure faith in existence separates level of devotion. If one thus has to question their god, then it is not their god they question. And so my answer: I would know instantly whether or not this being is in fact my god.

Modern technology is sort of humanity's god right now. For some there is no difference between our scientific progress and god, others have a more traditional view, yet most subscribe to the benefits of science if "educated" enough.

The word "alien" is somewhat negatively connotated. The truth is that for the most devout god is the least alien among us. It knows us more than we know ourselves; its essence is better than ours; we constantly strive to do its bidding, which is the closest we can do to become it.

Though look in the bible, for instance at Jonah and the Whale. He certainly didn't view god in this sense that I speak, at least not initially. He questioned god, maybe not his existence, but his importance, which isn't far off; he tried to run from god, definitely viewing him as alien. So its not unheard of to view god in a negative light in Western tradition, or alien, just not in the conclusion. Judaism offers more freedom than Christianity in this respect.
 
I think of "God" or whatever you want to call it/them as the universe. I think that it's incomprehensible to humans.

An alien would just be another species in the universe like we are, and that speaking with a verbal language is something they wouldn't have to worry about since they'd use telepathy or maybe they'd be like pure energy?
 
Well the normal human conception of God and our conceptions of Aliens isn't mutually exclusive. If our universe was a computer simulation (like the Sims) God would be an alien. I don't believe in either, and if God contacted us, I would believe there was a natural explanation for God meaning it would be an alien or from a shadow biosphere or another evolutionary line on Earth, but far more likely would be an alien. I think I understand abiogenesis well enough to say that it's highly unlikely Aliens created life. There are major problems in our understanding of abiogenesis (like whether metabolism or nucleic acids came first or why aren't amino acids racemic), but I know enough about it to believe that it is possible and as I have evidence that it did happen, I am ok with only having ideas and not facts about the details.

I am fairly certain that neither exists (I am very certain, in fact, I am certain that God doesn't exist, but I'm only slightly confident about intelligent life elsewhere). I become less and less certain about intelligent life the farther away from where we are. I highly doubt that there is intelligent life in our galaxy, and I somewhat doubt there is intelligent life in our observable universe, and I don't know about anything larger than that. Most people seem to believe there are little green men somewhere, but when I think of the path life took to achieve intelligence, it seems like probably not; couple that with the fact that technology is discovered or invented at an exponential rate and we haven't ever seen anyone, it makes me believe that we are alone. I'm pretty sure life exists elsewhere (probably even on Mars or Titian), but I highly doubt that any of it we would call intelligent.

Many of you probably do not believe in human evolution, but that won't stop me from thinking about the consequences of it. Even just going back less than half a million years, at least once our species almost went extinct. In genetics there is a well known bottleneck in human evolution in which there were probably less than two thousand of us remaining. This corresponds well with the Toba catastrophe theory, but that isn't a sure fire thing. Going back five million years ago and less, you see by how we evolved that we are not a major species and were not until very recently. We are scavengers because there was a time in which we starved. Chimpanzees seem much more similar to our last common ancestor than we do, and why is that? Evolution does not happen at a constant rate but rather depending on selection pressure, it goes slower or faster. We evolved such a ridiculous intelligence because there was an absurd selection pressure on our species to change as our environment changed drastically (we got out of the trees). This was coming from an already hyper intelligent species. But even once we had our modern brain, we didn't use it to even a part of it's capacity. There have probably been anatomically pure humans for 250,000 years, yet in the last ten thousand we invented farming at least seven independent times. Even though, we have been using tools since we've been human, it took us 240,000 years to gain the knowledge to farm (a big part of this is that farming is not necessarily good for a populace; it has advantages and disadvantages and until recently the advantages did not outweigh the disadvantages). Technology looks like a fluke within a fluke within a fluke. And that's just within human evolution. I could go on about the evolution of sociality and it's flukish properties and the evolution of lower intelligence and how flukish that was (it's probably because of a meteor or a flood basalt that intelligence has a place amongst major species). I could also talk about how flukish coming on to land is and the necessity of migrating on land for the sort of intelligence that would lead to technology.

And even if life does evolve intelligence, it doesn't seem like it lasts. In the last century we invented the power to destroy ourselves and barely didn't use it. Disease or some natural disaster could have easily destroyed us in the last 50,000 years, and a runaway greenhouse effect, AI, nano technology or a mad biochemical engineer might destroy us yet still (though I doubt any of those will because of the exponential growth of technology). I just don't see intelligent life evolving sustaining itself (as we don't even know if we will sustain ourselves) being common even if life is. But if we do survive, you can bet that we will make life somewhere else and one day arrive in ships and tell them we are God. I think our sense of humor includes that.
 
I dont mean to derail the thread so lets not go too far down this path...

But I often wonder whether we would have translated mythical 'supernatural beings' or 'angels' as such had all the drawings/writings not been discovered until after the scientific community had come to accept that extra-terrestrial life is in fact entirely possible, and our own space exploration had begun.
 
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