Stimulants Technical Questions re: Methylphenidate Insufflation

[NixonOnDope]

Just want to say first off thank you in advance for anyone who answers my questions, and yes, I have read other questions similar to this (actually have lurked these forums for like 10 years), but I haven't seen these answered in quite the detail or granularity I need, so I apologize if it feels redundant. I'm aware of the relative risks of insufflation and have a fair bit of medical experience and knowledge; I'm deadset on this ROA.

My questions are these - first, how fine should methylphenidate (IR) be crushed? I find that if I crush it too fine, in an attempt to avoid damage to the nasal tissues, on rare occasions I feel minor inhalation occurring. Obviously I want to avoid ritalin lung so that is concerning. Should I snort it in a more coarse form? My second question is how insufflation should be carried out in someone with a preexisting deviated septum (had it since birth); I tend to split 50/50 as far as which side I use, but sometimes the narrower nostril actually feels less irritated when used, which I did not expect. Lastly, what is your technique for insufflation? I'm always curious to hear how other people do things; do you find less irritation at a certain depth of insertion, certain angles, etc.

Thanks again for taking the time to read and help me out!

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

When I used to snort pills I'd put them in a smooth surface motor and pestle and remove it using a small pain brush. If you don't want to do that you can break the tablets in half, then grind them down with a plastic bank card on a smooth (preferably glass) surface.

The finer the powder the more likely it is to enter the respiratory system. The chunkier the powder the less you'll get out of your drugs. I've always gotten my material as fine as possible.

I always use a very wide straw (the sort you get with boba tea) that's been cut to about 10cm long.

I use a 0.9% saline spray because Australian heroin can be harsh on the nose. Depending on how often you use (daily or multiple times a week) youll want to do this also.

As far as technique, it doesn't matter much. If you are inhaling gently and switching nostrils you are doing all the right stuff.

You probably know this already but snorting any drug for a prolonged period of time will damage the nose. To what extend is going to be dose and time dependent.

 

[NixonOnDope]

When I used to snort pills I'd put them in a smooth surface motor and pestle and remove it using a small pain brush. If you don't want to do that you can break the tablets in half, then grind them down with a plastic bank card on a smooth (preferably glass) surface.

The finer the powder the more likely it is to enter the respiratory system. The chunkier the powder the less you'll get out of your drugs. I've always gotten my material as fine as possible.

I always use a very wide straw (the sort you get with boba tea) that's been cut to about 10cm long.

I use a 0.9% saline spray because Australian heroin can be harsh on the nose. Depending on how often you use (daily or multiple times a week) youll want to do this also.

As far as technique, it doesn't matter much. If you are inhaling gently and switching nostrils you are doing all the right stuff.

You probably know this already but snorting any drug for a prolonged period of time will damage the nose. To what extend is going to be dose and time dependent.

Thank you bro, that was incredibly insightful and helpful. I actually went and measured exactly 10cm and ground it a bit coarser, and I can already tell the length of the straw made a difference in how much, if any, went into the respiratory system. I was using prior to this ones of 5-7cm. in length inserted as high into the nasal cavity as possible without damage.

This begs the question though, because you're spot on about fine ground powders and the lungs, why do you think it is we see "ritalin lung" only talked about in the context of IV use and not intranasal? Especially given the fact that most people snorting this aren't putting 1/10th of the care into it that I am.

And yes on the saline, that stuff is a godsend.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Thank you bro, that was incredibly insightful and helpful. I actually went and measured exactly 10cm and ground it a bit coarser, and I can already tell the length of the straw made a difference in how much, if any, went into the respiratory system. I was using prior to this ones of 5-7cm. in length inserted as high into the nasal cavity as possible without damage.

This begs the question though, because you're spot on about fine ground powders and the lungs, why do you think it is we see "ritalin lung" only talked about in the context of IV use and not intranasal? Especially given the fact that most people snorting this aren't putting 1/10th of the care into it that I am.

And yes on the saline, that stuff is a godsend.

Ritalin lung is a term used to describe emphysema-like changes to the lungs. This is caused by talc (an insoluble filler in many tablets and street drugs) travelling through the circulatory system, then end up in the lungs where it causes granulomatosis and subsequent destruction of lung tissue. The condition mimics COPD very closely.

The reason why snorting tablets containing talc don't cause this is probably for 3 reasons: the first is that you are only actually taking into your lungs micrograms quantities of talc whereas a IV Ritalin user will be taking in gram quantities of talc (where it goes on to damage the lungs). The second reason is that your lungs can expell solids albeit slowly. If you inhale something solid, it will eventually work it's way out of your body. And final reason is that this specific condition isn't really caused by talc in the lungs, but talc inside the actual lung tissue.

 

[Esperighanto]

I usually prefer to insufflate pure crystal MPH/4F-MPH straight from the lab with no binder, but I'm unaware of any solid extraction procedures as to extract these from pills. Have any other BLers come across solid extraction methods for phenidates specifically?

 

[canadianpeduser]

You could technically cold water extract them. And id just split into 2-3 lines per 10 mg. You’ll notice it acting pretty quickly. Never heard of anybody having trouble with this. From my own experience I’d say don’t overdo it; you pretty much have a ceiling with how high you will get from them. There’s no difference honestly buzz wise if you sniff two as opposed to sniffing five.

Mind you I went the next couple levels up and started injecting them- which is not worth it.

You could look up plugging it if that’s not too weird for you. The brand I used to get id have to heat them enough to fully dissolve them. But I was using multiple pills per one hit so for your needs I can’t foresee the need to heat it.

Take it slow and easy first starting off, possibly look at CWE technique or I believe they’re possible to plug. Depending on brand and what “matrix” the pill is made up of