Tales from the Salvia dark side

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Issue Date: February 02, 2004

Tales from the Salvia dark side

By Nicole Gaudiano
Times staff writer

Picture yourself in a kind of force field that’s pulling you strongly toward its source, outside your house. You feel uncomfortable. You feel possessed by something.
That’s how one user of Salvia divinorum described his experience on the Web site, “The Vaults of Erowid.”

Another user of the hallucinogenic herb felt his head spinning around and then it seemed as though he lost contact with his body. “I began to think I had someone else in my head trying to stop me from coming back to reality,” the user wrote.

Another: “I began to hear more voices from the park behind my house (giggling and yelling) so, without thinking, I ran out there. Still in my boxers, I found nothing but darkness. I was terrified so I ran through the woods to my best friend’s house (about a mile away) … There he put a fan on me (I was sweating rivers) and in about 10 minutes I calmed down.

“Salvia was the most terrifying experience I have ever been a part of,” he wrote. “I went absolutely insane.”

Salvia divinorum, known to induce out-of-body experiences, sensations of traveling through time and space, and feelings of merging with inanimate objects, is legal to possess.

Proponents say Salvia can be used in a way that’s safe and conducive to meditation and self-reflection. But anecdotal evidence may suggest otherwise.

While the herb is new to the U.S. drug scene — it surfaced within the past two years — it’s even newer to the military. Drug investigators at Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., came across it at drug paraphernalia stores off base last fall. Based on intelligence from the “head shop” owners, they estimate more than 100 airmen are buying the herb.

No evidence of use has been found at Tinker so far, though airmen on the base have been warned that it’s against Air Force policy to take mind-altering drugs — even if they are legal.

To research the drug, Ven Sova, of Tinker’s Joint Drug Enforcement Team, said he turned to “The Vaults of Erowid.” After reading through a few testimonies, he said, “My impression is most of them were scared to death of this stuff. They had such a traumatic experience, they weren’t likely to go back and use it again.”

While proponents call the herb all-natural and introspective, Jim Mock calls that rationalization.

“Timothy Leary was saying the same things about LSD back in the ’60s,” said Mock, a drug-recognition expert and retired police officer.

Inducing self-reflection only is part of what a hallucinogen can do, he said. The other part can depend on the person’s mind-set and the setting in which it is taken, he said. When people take the drug when they’re depressed, he said, it’s going to give them a bad experience.

Daniel Siebert, a self-taught botanist who sells the herb on the Internet, said he’s taken it in various contexts. He visited the Mezatec Indians in Mexico and smoked the plant with a traditional healer, but he’s also experimented with it at home.

“I find it helpful when I’m trying to examine things,” he said. “It’s almost like going to a therapist and talking things out.”

One Erowid writer claimed to have had discussions with the plant about the plant’s own feelings and wrote the plant was “very intelligent.”

Siebert said using the herb is best suited for a quiet, comfortable, safe environment — and the experience isn’t always pleasant.

“It’s not something people would want to do in a social setting or party. It puts you in a quiet, meditative state. At high enough doses, you lose awareness of your physical environment, and you’re not aware that you have a body. If you take even more, you lose consciousness and black out for a while. Too much is not a good thing.”

During his experience with the drug, he perceived himself standing in the middle of his elementary school playground with teachers and children.

While LSD produces bizarre visions, Salvia’s are more natural and familiar, like in a dream, he said.

But try telling that to one Salvia smoker who wrote on Erowid: “Grass grew from the backs of my hands, at least it felt like that.”

From Airforce Times

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Check it out........Front Page of the Air Force Times..........There wasnt any hard proff of Airman using.... just speculation and the military trying to send their exaggerated B.S. bias.....
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good find, i dont think anyone even really "enjoys" salvia it's not nesc,. a fun ecsperiance and unfourtnaly thats a side the public will never know
 
Yes, take a bunch of quotes out of context off erowid to write a "great" article. And what's this reference to Timothy Leary ?
Timothy Leary was saying the same things about LSD back in the ’60s
Errr, didn't the US Military try to use LSD on their own soldiers ? Oh yeah, then some of them went crazy and sued them, so LSD is the "demon seed" and so will be Salvia. I'm not encouraging anyone to use it, I'm just appaled how this article was written. Don't worry , it won't be legal for long Mr. Genius Article Writer.

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Yea i saw the paper and i was like WTF!!! That sux!!!!! So i looked it up the net...thats not the whole article but it pretty much summarizes it......... Had to spread word.......But notice that noone was caught w/ it nor were there any medical issues............It was just OSI ( military FBI) stumbled upon it in a herbal store.......asked questions, did minimal research and assumed military members were using......
 
If Salvia was made illegal I really couldn't see it being enforced hard.. Mostly because no one would look for it with LSD, Shrooms etc on the market that are FAR easier to dose substances. Plus Salvia looks like many other plants.

I don't know if anyone remembers the fear campain in the early 90's about Datura. For a year or so it was all the National 10 o'clock news/newspapers were talking about

"Kids getting kicks of the devil's apple."

Guess what happened. The rate of kids trying it and ending up in the hospital nearly quadrupled. The stuff is horribly unsafe but it didn't get scheduled because 99.9% of the suckers reported it was the worst thing to ever happen to them.

Low abuse potential. Same with Saliva D..
 
i agree, i think it was to try and scare Airman and other military members from using it.

I think it would a waste of time and money to research and develope a test for a drug that has prob no reports of misuse, posession or medical mishaps asscoiated w/ it.
 
The New Shaman said:


Guess what happened. The rate of kids trying it and ending up in the hospital nearly quadrupled.
Low abuse potential. Same with Saliva D..

When low profile drugs are introduced to the media, it actually has the opposite of the desired affect the gov wants......Now people are gonna find out about it and its gonna spread like wildfire......well for te military community for now......cuz its undetectable.......
 
From Nicole Gaudiano and Salvia to Caffeine

Sigh! Apparently the standards of AirForce Times are not particularly high - which makes me scared even to think about whatever else is going around in those quarters! The article “Tales from the Salvia dark side” by Nicole Gaudiano is a perfect example of third rate drug scare journalism. But all is fair in love and war right? Well, check it out, Gaudiano can’t even spell “Mazatec” right! And the alledged intelligence from a head shop owner, a tenous comparison with the chemically and structurally non-related substance LSD, and anecdotal evidence...

Why did Nicole Gaudiano not use facts in her argumentation? Was there perhaps none that could be bent according to her take on the situation? Did she compare LSD and Salvia in order to insinuate that the two substances are alike and that Salvia should be a Schedule I drug? Why did she not mention that efforts to prohibit the sale and use of Salvia in the US have failed. Why? Because (1) no deaths have been caused by Salvia divinorum. (2) Present studies indicate that Salvia does not have any addictive nor toxic properties, negative neuropsychological or physiological effects, nor long term cognitive and personality dysfunctions. (3) All available research to date suggest that Salvia divinorum is perfectly safe in healthy subjects, although some concerns have been raised over the potentially very disturbing short term psychological effects that can be experienced by smoking Salvia. But this is also true of a number of perfectly legal substances.

Keeping these facts in mind one may wonder why Gaudiano does not bring up the issue of the many, common and much more malign drugs like caffeine, nicotine and alcohol which keep the entire US army, air force and navy in an addictive and mind-altering grip.

I do not need to go into long analyses concerning the hazards of alcohol and tobacco. We all know of the untold social suffering these drugs cause, not to mention about 97% of the annual 7 million drug related deaths worldwide.

Instead consider the following and perhaps less known facts about caffeine:

Is caffeine a health hazard? Yes! According to WHO figures more than 100 deaths have been caused by caffeine. Besides being highly addictive and causing dysphoria, anxiety, panic attacks and gastrointestinal irritation in high doses, caffeine is also known to disturb or potentially even disrupt the cardiac rhythm, leading to cardiac arrest.

Is caffeine mind altering? Yes! Clinical studies reveal that caffeine causes increases in well-being, energy/activity, alertness, concentration, self-confidence, and motivation for work which are remarkably similar to those produced by d-amphetamine and cocaine (note that the comparison between caffeine, amphetamine and cocaine was made by researchers in a clinical setting!).

Is caffeine addictive? Yes! Caffeine causes withdrawal symptoms similar to those of...yes you have guessed it - amphetamine and cocaine! The most frequently reported symptoms are increased irritability, severe throbbing headaches, drowsiness, sleepiness and yawning, impaired concentration, decreased energy, alertness, and self-confidence. Attacks of flu-like feelings, muscle aches/stiffness, hot or cold spells, heavy feelings in arms or legs, nausea and blurred vision are also commonly reported. The severity of caffeine withdrawal is an increasing function of caffeine maintenance dose. At its worst caffeine withdrawal is incompatible with normal functioning and is sometimes totally incapacitating, leading to hospitalisation.

In addition to these scientifically confirmed facts the Vaults of Erowid provide scores of anecdotal evidence of the appalling effects of caffeine addictions, overdoses and the possible long-term hazards of caffeine.

One 17 year old high school student describes for example how ingesting 9 caffeine pills sent his heart racing, body shaking with severe intestinal pains leading to black-outs and a daily hell for a whole year after the experience.

Others describe symptoms ranging from insomnia to severe headaches, acute diarrhoea, tremors, tachycardia, anxiety and panic attacks, loss of breath, pains, cramps, and even hospitalisation.

One writer who ingested an overdose relates the following: “It was like hell. I shit three times I peed like a race horse about three times. I also thought maybe consuming some good h2o and some nourishing food might help but everything that went into my body came back up. I had an intense headache and body temperature that seemed to range from boiling to arctic freezing. I reached a point where I could not stop tremoring or shaking and my heart was pounding out of my chest. I really thought I was going to die [...] I had called an ambulance and was carried out in a stretcher and just about bounced out out of it from being unable to keep still. On the way to the hospital I blacked in and out and the blackouts got longer and longer. I was given numerous amounts of shots and hooked up to hooplas of equipment and was told to drink charcoal or I would die.”

A number of writers also confess their physically and mentally destructive caffeine addictions, often describing how the “cup takes control” in their lives. “I tried to give up drinking caffeine several times, but I just had a few 'clean' days. It seems, that I'm physically addicted and it's a problem because of the heartache and the insomnia which are usual nowdays. I don't know what will happen, but I'm afraid of heart attack.”

Finally, a writer relates how he/she had an aggressive fit after a bout of caffeine-induced insomnia: “I wanted to scream and break things. I was slamming the video drawers shut, slamming doors. A couple of times I (with the thought in my mind of 'here, it's your job') tossed some trash at my coworker to throw away. The only benefit was probably that I was moving fast. I don't know how long I'd been awake, but the caffeine had taken control of my mind and turned me into some kind of raving lunatic [..] I'll never forget the heart racing, the mind feeling like it was swimming, and the worst thing of all: the stomach that felt like it had been filled with boiling hot mercury. “

Imagine the headlines if such side effects were related to Salvia: Addict high on killer drug went berserk at work! New killer drug sends our teenagers to hospital with near cardiac arrests! Etc etc etc. Yeah, you know the score...
 
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